Why is 2pid chasing his tail...again?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

Maybe 2pid is afraid he won't get an adequate amount of Christmas
gifts to 'prove' his family's 'love' for him. LoL.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 24, 12:20*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Dec 22, 10:19*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > Maybe 2pid is afraid he won't get an adequate amount of Christmas
> > gifts to 'prove' his family's 'love' for him. LoL.
>
> *What a waste of space.

I agree, yet you keep posting anyway.

>*Here, let me help you out with something
> factual.

You never understand facts, 2pid. Let's see how you've shot yourself
in the foot this time.

> That trend toward atmospheric spending on health care seems have
> halted.
>
> http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/30/states-hospitals-bracing-eff...

Kindly point out in your citation where a decrease in insurance
premiums (which is what we were talking about, of course) is proven,
implied, or otherwise indicated. So one hospital says they aren't
adding a new wing this year. Big deal.

I feel like Brittany Spears: "Ooooops I followed one of 2pid's idiotic
links which don't support his assertion (and in fact contradict
it)...again".

That doesn't make a very catchy song though. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 25, 9:54*am, ScottW > wrote:
> On Dec 24, 12:01*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Dec 24, 12:20*pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 22, 10:19*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Maybe 2pid is afraid he won't get an adequate amount of Christmas
> > > > gifts to 'prove' his family's 'love' for him. LoL.
>
> > > *What a waste of space.
>
> > I agree, yet you keep posting anyway.
>
> *an IKYABWAI....strictly forbidden. *George
> is silently cringing....good help is hard to find.
>
>
>
> > >*Here, let me help you out with something
> > > factual.
>
> > You never understand facts, 2pid. Let's see how you've shot yourself
> > in the foot this time.
>
> > > That trend toward atmospheric spending on health care seems have
> > > halted.
>
> > >http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/30/states-hospitals-bracing-eff....
>
> > Kindly point out in your citation where a decrease in insurance
> > premiums (which is what we were talking about, of course)
>
> *Insurance premiums are going toward 20% of GDP now?

With our GDP shrinking, 2pid, the percentage of it going to health
care has no doubt gone up. Have you gotten any notices of premiums,
costs of services, etc. going down? I didn't think so.

Your article stated that as there are more unemployed, there are more
uninsured. If you 'think' that doctors perform these procedures and
then don't get paid for at least part of them through higher premiums
and higher billing rates then you're wrong. It didn't say "The cost of
healthcare (or the percentage of the GDP going to it) are on the way
down!"

> LoL.

I don't find that funny, but then again I'm not an imbecile.

So did you get lots of presents today? Does your family still 'love'
you? Did they 'love' you more last year?

LoL.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 26, 11:45Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
> On Dec 25, 8:54Â*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Dec 25, 9:54Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 24, 12:01Â*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Dec 24, 12:20Â*pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 22, 10:19Â*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Maybe 2pid is afraid he won't get an adequate amount of Christmas
> > > > > > gifts to 'prove' his family's 'love' for him. LoL.
>
> > > > > Â*What a waste of space.
>
> > > > I agree, yet you keep posting anyway.
>
> > > Â*an IKYABWAI....strictly forbidden. Â*George
> > > is silently cringing....good help is hard to find.
>
> > > > >Â*Here, let me help you out with something
> > > > > factual.
>
> > > > You never understand facts, 2pid. Let's see how you've shot yourself
> > > > in the foot this time.
>
> > > > > That trend toward atmospheric spending on health care seems have
> > > > > halted.
>
> > > > >http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/30/states-hospitals-bracing-eff...
>
> > > > Kindly point out in your citation where a decrease in insurance
> > > > premiums (which is what we were talking about, of course)
>
> > > Â*Insurance premiums are going toward 20% of GDP now?
>
> > With our GDP shrinking, 2pid, the percentage of it going to health
> > care has no doubt gone up.
> > Have you gotten any notices of premiums,
> > costs of services, etc. going down? I didn't think so.
>
> http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/hospital-costs-decline-in-pay-fo...

So at 250 hospitals they've had an average decline of of $1000 per
stay.

BTW, wouldn't that money saved already be included in the percent of
GNP we're paying? LOL!

> http://www.health.state.ny.us/press/releases/2007/2007-09-27_shs_hear...

Smoking is bad.

> > Your article stated that as there are more unemployed, there are more
> > uninsured. If you 'think' that doctors perform these procedures and
> > then don't get paid for at least part of them through higher premiums
> > and higher billing rates then you're wrong.
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/business/36386169.html
>
> "But Quinn said that operating margins, which excluded investment
> losses, also were down.
>
> Hospital revenue has not fallen sharply. But an increase in charity
> care and bad debt would affect operating profits.

"Hospital revenue has not fallen sharply."

Learn to read your own cites.

> Hospitals have reported an increase in both as more people have lost
> their jobs.
>
> Part of the increase in bad debt stems from high-deductible health
> plans becoming more common. But part also would stem from more people
> not having health insurance.
>
> A study the Kaiser Family Foundation found that for every 1 percentage
> point increase in unemployment, an additional 1.1 million people
> nationally become uninsured.
>
> Nearly two-thirds of the hospitals responding to the survey said they
> plan to cancel, delay or scale back capital projects, and nearly one-
> third are considering reducing or freezing staff levels."

Are your insurance premiums going down, 2pid? Are costs for procedures
going down, 2pid? "Capital projects" may mean not buying an new MRI
machine, not adding a new wing, etc.

Hospitals are not realizing the same profit levels. Their revenue is
not affected. As "charity" cases go up, some if not all of this lost
income will be passed on in higher charges for procedures, which will
result in higher insurance premiums, which will result in a larger
percent of the GNP being spent on health care.

You do understand that, don't you?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 26, 1:01Â*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Dec 26, 10:15Â*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > On Dec 26, 11:45Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 25, 8:54Â*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > On Dec 25, 9:54Â*am, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 24, 12:01Â*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 24, 12:20Â*pm, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Dec 22, 10:19Â*am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Maybe 2pid is afraid he won't get an adequate amount of Christmas
> > > > > > > > gifts to 'prove' his family's 'love' for him. LoL.
>
> > > > > > > Â*What a waste of space.
>
> > > > > > I agree, yet you keep posting anyway.
>
> > > > > Â*an IKYABWAI....strictly forbidden. Â*George
> > > > > is silently cringing....good help is hard to find.
>
> > > > > > >Â*Here, let me help you out with something
> > > > > > > factual.
>
> > > > > > You never understand facts, 2pid. Let's see how you've shot yourself
> > > > > > in the foot this time.
>
> > > > > > > That trend toward atmospheric spending on health care seems have
> > > > > > > halted.
>
> > > > > > >http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/30/states-hospitals-bracing-eff...
>
> > > > > > Kindly point out in your citation where a decrease in insurance
> > > > > > premiums (which is what we were talking about, of course)
>
> > > > > Â*Insurance premiums are going toward 20% of GDP now?
>
> > > > With our GDP shrinking, 2pid, the percentage of it going to health
> > > > care has no doubt gone up.
> > > > Have you gotten any notices of premiums,
> > > > costs of services, etc. going down? I didn't think so.
>
> > >http://www.insidearm.com/go/arm-news/hospital-costs-decline-in-pay-fo....
>
> > So at 250 hospitals they've had an average decline of of $1000 per
> > stay.
>
> > BTW, wouldn't that money saved already be included in the percent of
> > GNP we're paying? LOL!
>
> Â*Depends on whent the data was collected and the calculation made.
> It primarily goes to the presumption of yours that past trends can
> accurately project the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >http://www.health.state.ny.us/press/releases/2007/2007-09-27_shs_hear....
>
> > Smoking is bad.
>
> > > > Your article stated that as there are more unemployed, there are more
> > > > uninsured. If you 'think' that doctors perform these procedures and
> > > > then don't get paid for at least part of them through higher premiums
> > > > and higher billing rates then you're wrong.
>
> > >http://www.jsonline.com/business/36386169.html
>
> > > "But Quinn said that operating margins, which excluded investment
> > > losses, also were down.
>
> > > Hospital revenue has not fallen sharply. But an increase in charity
> > > care and bad debt would affect operating profits.
>
> > "Hospital revenue has not fallen sharply."
>
> > Learn to read your own cites.
>
> Â* But charity care is increasing which is not fully compensated.

A trend which, if it continues, will lead to higher insurance
premiums, 2pid. This is simply affecting hospital profits, not the
cost of health care.

> > > Hospitals have reported an increase in both as more people have lost
> > > their jobs.
>
> > > Part of the increase in bad debt stems from high-deductible health
> > > plans becoming more common. But part also would stem from more people
> > > not having health insurance.
>
> > > A study the Kaiser Family Foundation found that for every 1 percentage
> > > point increase in unemployment, an additional 1.1 million people
> > > nationally become uninsured.
>
> > > Nearly two-thirds of the hospitals responding to the survey said they
> > > plan to cancel, delay or scale back capital projects, and nearly one-
> > > third are considering reducing or freezing staff levels."
>
> > Are your insurance premiums going down, 2pid?
>
> Â*Did you just ignore the impact of frozen capital expenditures
> in the health care industry?

Their profit margins are down, 2pid. This is not due to lower costs of
health care, but to higher amounts of "charity" work for the uninsured
and to lower amounts of *elective* procedures, which, as I'm sure you
kow, are generally not covered anyway.

> > Are costs for procedures
> > going down, 2pid? "Capital projects" may mean not buying an new MRI
> > machine, not adding a new wing, etc.
>
> > Hospitals are not realizing the same profit levels. Their revenue is
> > not affected. As "charity" cases go up, some if not all of this lost
> > income will be passed on in higher charges for procedures, which will
> > result in higher insurance premiums, which will result in a larger
> > percent of the GNP being spent on health care.
>
> Â*LoL. Â*You keep ignoring the impact of fewer insured in
> your spiraling projections.

2pid, let's say that you have a clothing business. You donate a
certain percentage of clothes for "charity".

Now your customers drop away. You still give them clothes as
"charity". You were going to add a few more stores, but now you can't
afford this capital expenditure.

There are only a few options. You can give charity ubtil you are out
of business. You can lower your prices for the fewer customers you
have. Or you can *raise* prices for the fewer customers, who really
aren't paying for it out-of-pocket anyway.

Do you really 'think' that *fewer* insured will lead to *lower*
healthcare prices? LoL.

> Â*Let me guess...Warren Buffet will be the last insured
> American and bear the burden for all.

You're a lousy guesser, 2pid, but that would be typical for an
imbecile so there's no surprise. Let me ask a different question:

Do you 'think' that Warren Buffet's healthcare will cost him less than
it does now, assuming that he is indeed the last insured?