"Romancing the Stone" vs. "Cabaret"

[BretLudwig]

Hollywood is remaking "Romancing the Stone", a 1984 comedy all of whose
principals are still alive and working. And it's widely (and correctly)
acknowledged as a pretty good comedy that was realized about as well as it
could have been, and which leaves little unturned to mine.


On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, knowledgeable
critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version and that
even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
cast Liza Minnelli. You think anyone is going to remake 'Cabaret'anytime
in this century?? Norfolk & Waypal!




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[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
utaudio.com>,
"BretLudwig" > wrote:


> On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, knowledgeable
> critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version

Not really a fair comparison. The movie is not really a reproduction of
the musical.

> and that
> even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> cast Liza Minnelli.

You've got to be kidding.

[Boon]

On Dec 8, 9:24�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> utaudio.com>,
>
> �"BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > �On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, � �knowledgeable
> > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
>
> Not really a fair comparison. �The movie is not really a reproduction of
> the musical.
>
> > and that
> > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > cast Liza Minnelli.
>
> You've got to be kidding.

It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
Fatherland?

Boon

[Jenn[_3_]]

In article
>,
Boon > wrote:

> On Dec 8, 9:24?pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > utaudio.com>,
> >
> > ?"BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > ?On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, ? ?knowledgeable
> > > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
> >
> > Not really a fair comparison. ?The movie is not really a reproduction of
> > the musical.
> >
> > > and that
> > > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > > cast Liza Minnelli.
> >
> > You've got to be kidding.
>
> It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
> or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
> Fatherland?
>
> Boon

One of the biggest "chills" I've ever experienced in the theater was the
"dress tech" rehearsal of the first production of Cabaret that I
conducted, when I first saw the end of the first act, when the young man
sings "Tomorrow Belongs to Me". Chilling.

[Boon]

On Dec 8, 9:58�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> �Boon > wrote:
> > On Dec 8, 9:24?pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article
> > > utaudio.com>,
>
> > > ?"BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > > ?On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, ? ?knowledgeable
> > > > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
>
> > > Not really a fair comparison. ?The movie is not really a reproduction of
> > > the musical.
>
> > > > and that
> > > > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > > > cast Liza Minnelli.
>
> > > You've got to be kidding.
>
> > It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
> > or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
> > Fatherland?
>
> > Boon
>
> One of the biggest "chills" I've ever experienced in the theater was the
> "dress tech" rehearsal of the first production of Cabaret that I
> conducted, when I first saw the end of the first act, when the young man
> sings "Tomorrow Belongs to Me". �Chilling.

You know, I'm not a big fan of musicals, but Cabaret has that feeling
of impending doom down pat.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 9 Dec, 00:52, Boon > wrote:
> On Dec 8, 9:24 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > In article
> > utaudio.com>,
>
> > "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, knowledgeable
> > > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
>
> > Not really a fair comparison. The movie is not really a reproduction of
> > the musical.
>
> > > and that
> > > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > > cast Liza Minnelli.
>
> > You've got to be kidding.
>
> It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
> or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
> Fatherland?
>
> Boon

We are all anxiously awaiting his review of Valkyrie
I think he will like it because his good guy wins in the end.

[Boon]

On Dec 9, 3:27�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 9 Dec, 00:52, Boon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 9:24 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > utaudio.com>,
>
> > > "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > > On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, knowledgeable
> > > > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
>
> > > Not really a fair comparison. The movie is not really a reproduction of
> > > the musical.
>
> > > > and that
> > > > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > > > cast Liza Minnelli.
>
> > > You've got to be kidding.
>
> > It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
> > or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
> > Fatherland?
>
> > Boon
>
> We are all anxiously awaiting his review of Valkyrie
> I think he will like it because his good guy wins in the end.-

Hitler makes it out of the bunker?

Boon

[pyjamarama]

On Dec 8, 4:44*pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> *Hollywood is remaking "Romancing the Stone", a 1984 *comedy all of whose
> principals are still alive and working. And it's widely (and correctly)
> acknowledged as a pretty good comedy that was realized about as well as it
> could have been, and which leaves little unturned to mine.
>
> *On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, * *knowledgeable
> critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version and that
> even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> cast Liza Minnelli. You think anyone is going to remake 'Cabaret'anytime
> in this century?? Norfolk & Waypal!
>
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Why not a musical re-make of "Romancing The Stone?"

Songs would include, "My Little Pepe"..."Catch You Later,
Alligator"..."Sailing To Manhattan"..."Map Of My Heart"..."Emeralds
Are A Girls Best Friend" and "I Left My Heart In A Third-World
********", to name but a few.

Cast Justin Timberlake as Jack T. Colton, Christine Aguilara as Joan
Wilder, Marc Anthony as General "Butcher" and Paul WIlliams in the
Danny DeVito role.

Hell, take the thing straight to Broadway...

Pure gold.

[Clyde Slick]

On 9 Dec, 10:38, Boon > wrote:
> On Dec 9, 3:27 am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Dec, 00:52, Boon > wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 8, 9:24 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > utaudio.com>,
>
> > > > "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > > > On the other hand, consider "Cabaret". A 1972 film, knowledgeable
> > > > > critics all acknowledge that it never equalled the stage version
>
> > > > Not really a fair comparison. The movie is not really a reproduction of
> > > > the musical.
>
> > > > > and that
> > > > > even Vanna White did a better job with Sally Bowles than did the absurdly
> > > > > cast Liza Minnelli.
>
> > > > You've got to be kidding.
>
> > > It makes me wonder, though...is Bratzi secretly a big Bob Fosse fan,
> > > or does he just have an unbridled love for movies about the
> > > Fatherland?
>
> > > Boon
>
> > We are all anxiously awaiting his review of Valkyrie
> > I think he will like it because his good guy wins in the end.-
>
> Hitler makes it out of the bunker?
>
> Boon-

"at least' till theend of the assasination attempt

[BretLudwig]

"Cabaret" isn't really about the Fatherland. It's about the observations of
a observant upper class English sodomite in the uniquely perverse millieu
of Weimar Berlin. The economic destruction of Germany at that time due to
several factors, amongst which the vengeful Treaty of Versailles ranks
highest, and the sheer disgust healthy Germans had for Weimar behavior on
flagrant public display (none of it was unique, but before it was sensibly
kept from public view, and no one previously pretended it was anything but
what it was) were pivotal forces in the installation of the National
Socialist government.

Bowdlerized as even Isherwood's observations were, the flavor of the real
Weimar days comes through clearly.

Fosse for all his faults certainly had a great deal of talent.

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[BretLudwig]

The sad thing is that these senior officers couldn't do something as
simple as an assassination. They were feckless in the extreme.

A case can be made that assassinating Hitler would have been a moral
action, for several reasons. However, it would have made no difference as
the Allies were already committed to the total destruction of Germany, and
Germany ultimately could not match the United States in manufacturing
power-the real deciding factor in the war. The United States could build
bombers as if they were cars, and put up thousand-plane formations with
fighter escort. The United States had also broken _every one_ of the
cryptologic systems the Germans used and could copy effectively one
hundred percent of German communications. And of course, the US had an
incipient nuclear capability the Germans were tewnty years behind on-not
because Hitler got rid of the Jewish scientists, but because the effective
implementation of nuclear weapons requires a huge industrial effort. The
Manhattan Project was more than a tenth and perhaps as much as a fifth as
big as all the rest of the war manufacturing effort in the US, and the
Germans did not have the resources to do anything like the network of
gaseous diffusion plants, cyclotrons, centrifuges and reactors it took to
produce the four or five bombs that were all there were until well into
1946 (the Trinity test, Hiroshima and Nagasaki left the US with just one
or maybe two more devices, had Japan not surrendered).

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[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Dec 9, 4:42*pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:

> *A case can be made that assassinating Hitler would have been a moral
> action, for several reasons. However, it would have made no difference as
> the Allies were already committed to the total destruction of Germany, and
> Germany ultimately could not match the United States in manufacturing
> power-the real deciding factor in the war.

And all of Germany's officers and soldiers would have fought to the
bitter end when most of them were well-aware that they'd lost by the
fall of 1944.

Um, Bratzi, it's best that you do not offer your unintelligent, ill-
informed opinions in areas where your ideology overtakes your ability
to think.

IOW, it's probably better for you to just keep quiet. ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> Um, Bratzi, it's best that you do not offer your unintelligent, ill-
> informed opinions in areas where your ideology overtakes your ability
> to think.
> IOW, it's probably better for you to just keep quiet. ;-)

Your an fascist to'o.

[Boon]

On Dec 9, 3:09�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 4:42�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
>
> > �A case can be made that assassinating Hitler would have been a moral
> > action, for several reasons. However, it would have made no difference as
> > the Allies were already committed to the total destruction of Germany, and
> > Germany ultimately could not match the United States in manufacturing
> > power-the real deciding factor in the war.
>
> And all of Germany's officers and soldiers would have fought to the
> bitter end when most of them were well-aware that they'd lost by the
> fall of 1944.
>
> Um, Bratzi, it's best that you do not offer your unintelligent, ill-
> informed opinions in areas where your ideology overtakes your ability
> to think.
>
> IOW, it's probably better for you to just keep quiet. ;-)

If it was only that easy.

Boon