Bose Patrician

[PanHandler[_2_]]

As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
Many Thanx!

[PanHandler[_2_]]

"PanHandler" > wrote in message
...
As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit
about 8' long by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with
ports (slots?) at each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a
suffix number. It had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine
from the era, and there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn
Google out looking
for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!

[[email protected]]

PanHandler wrote:
> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
> system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
> by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
> each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
> feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
> had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
> there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
> for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
> me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
> something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
> Many Thanx!

I remember that article in Audio. There was also a blurb of it in High
Fidelity magazine about the same time. Never saw or heard anything else
about it, although it was the first time I had ever heard of Bose.

- Oldguy

[Mr.T]

"PanHandler" > wrote in message
...
> "PanHandler" > wrote in message
> ...
> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
> ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties.

Glad you corrected yourself, it was before Bose even started as a company.
The Patrician of course was designed for the mono era, like many other large
speakers, including the original Klipschorn, JBL Hartfield, Tannoy GRF etc.
All now collectors items, unlike anything Bose has made.

MrT.

[Richard Crowley]

"PanHandler" wrote ...
> "PanHandler" wrote ...
> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
> ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit
> about 8' long by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with
> ports (slots?) at each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
> looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a
> suffix number. It had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine
> from the era, and there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've
> worn Google out looking
> for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody
> tell me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
> something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!

Would you believe JBL Paragon? :-)
http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/paragon.htm
Here is a nice picture with a van der Rohe "Barcelona" chair...
http://www.audioheritage.org/images/jbl/photos/home-speakers/paragon-color.jpg

But Bose makes a 1/25th-scale plastic scale model that looks
vaguely reminiscent. You may have seen it in infomercials. Looks
like they get roughly the same $$$ for it as JBL did back in the day.
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/bose/image/bose_wave.jpg

JBL also had the "venetian blind" acoustic-lens, but I don't
remember that it was used on the Paragon system. Paragon
also used the 075 Ring Radiator tweeter (aka, the acoustic
laser). The same transducer was used for ultrasonic vehicle
detection on freeway overpasses in California. At least that
is the story.

IIRC, the EV Patrician more resembled a mono phone booth.

[Mr.T]

"Richard Crowley" > wrote in message
. ..
> > As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
> > ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet
unit
> > about 8' long by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with
> > ports (slots?) at each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved
panel
> > looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with
a
> > suffix number. It had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine
> > from the era, and there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've
> > worn Google out looking
> > for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody
> > tell me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to
recall
> > something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that
much!
>
> Would you believe JBL Paragon? :-)
> http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/paragon.htm
> Here is a nice picture with a van der Rohe "Barcelona" chair...
>
http://www.audioheritage.org/images/jbl/photos/home-speakers/paragon-color.j
pg


That's a completely different beast. Even more sought after these days.


> JBL also had the "venetian blind" acoustic-lens, but I don't
> remember that it was used on the Paragon system.

No lens was used on the Paragon, the curved front encosure panel acted as
the diffuser.

MrT.

[Arny Krueger]

"PanHandler" > wrote in message


> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was
> reminded of a Bose system of the mid-late sixties. It was
> a single cabinet unit about 8' long by about 3' high and
> had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
> each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
> looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician'
> possibly with a suffix number.

As others have observed, it was the EV Patrician, of which there were a
chronological sequence of upgraded models.

> It had a 30" woofer.

Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a peanut-whistle. Couldn't
take much power, and had virtually no linear stroke at all.

EV still makes great speakers, only they are for professional use, mostly
for live sound. Some of their live sound offerings can sound great in a
listening room if you set them up right.

[Eeyore]

PanHandler wrote:

> It had a 30" woofer.

Ah, the 30W IIRC. I do have a data sheet somewhere. They actually recommended
mounting them in walls. No kidding.

Graham

[Eeyore]

PanHandler wrote:

> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
> system of the mid-late sixties.

No. Electrovoice.


> It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
> by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
> each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
> feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
> had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
> there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
> for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
> me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
> something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
> Many Thanx!

http://www.audiokarma.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2518
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=19769
post 2. You need to register
http://www.savantaudio.com/evp800.html

How did you miss this on Google ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

> "PanHandler" > wrote in message
> > "PanHandler" > wrote in message
> >
> > As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
> > ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties.
>
> Glad you corrected yourself, it was before Bose even started as a company.
> The Patrician of course was designed for the mono era, like many other large
> speakers, including the original Klipschorn, JBL Hartfield, Tannoy GRF etc.
> All now collectors items, unlike anything Bose has made.

Bose are dumpster items.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Richard Crowley wrote:

> But Bose makes a 1/25th-scale plastic scale model that looks
> vaguely reminiscent.

LMAO !

Graham

[Eeyore]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a peanut-whistle. Couldn't
> take much power, and had virtually no linear stroke at all.

60W continuous IIRC. No Kapton back then I assume, or not in use as voice coil
formers. Didn't work very well as aircraft wiring insulation as it happens. It
cracked too easily and would arc over.

I recall coming back from Tunisia in a 727 where the lights kept flickering. It
wasn't a good feeling.

Nor was the baggage inspection on the way out from Heathrow. It was dumped on
the tarmac and you had to pick up your own luggage before they'd put it in the
hold and then you walked up the rear air stairs, ensuring at least you'd have to
be a suicide bomber one presumes.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a
>> peanut-whistle. Couldn't take much power, and had
>> virtually no linear stroke at all.
>
> 60W continuous IIRC.

That's what I remember.

Of course, power amps with more than 60 watts were very rare in the days of
tubes.

I have a number of friends who used 30W woofers in the day, some of whom
still have working examples to this day. A good modern 10" driver could
out-displace a 30 W. In the day, even EV's later SP-12s were more
practical.

> No Kapton back then I assume, or not
> in use as voice coil formers. Didn't work very well as
> aircraft wiring insulation as it happens. It cracked too
> easily and would arc over.

Materials sciences of those days, particularly glues and insulation, were
hardly what they are today.

[Kalman Rubinson[_3_]]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:17:10 -0600, "PanHandler"
> wrote:

>As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
>system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
>by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
>each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
>feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
>had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
>there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
>for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
>me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
>something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
>Many Thanx!

As others have pointed out, the Patrician was an EV speaker
and, even in those less litigious times, I doubt if EV would
have stood for use of their flagship's name by any
competitor.

That said, there was a predecessor to the Bose 901 which
used, iirc, 27 of the little drivers in a 1/8 sphere
enclosure designed to fit into a floor corner of the
listening room. It was shown/demonstrated at a NY HiFi show
but I do not know it it was ever marketed.

Kal

[[email protected]]

On Dec 1, 10:41 am, Kalman Rubinson > wrote:
> That said, there was a predecessor to the Bose 901 which
> used, iirc, 27 of the little drivers in a 1/8 sphere
> enclosure designed to fit into a floor corner of the
> listening room. It was shown/demonstrated at a NY HiFi show
> but I do not know it it was ever marketed.

Bose 2701. I have seen and heard a couple of them
that were in private hands, so it's likely there were
some small retail sales volume.

When I worked back at Lafayette radio in Boston in
the early 70's, hordes of MIT EE students would come
come in and buy the legendary FE-103 4" paper-come
speakers, always either 9 or 18 at a time, depending
upon how impoverished they were at the moment. I
knew lots of people at MIT at the time, and they said
there was a period where the engineering woodshop
was VERY busy making 901 clones

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:17:10 -0600, PanHandler wrote:

>As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
>system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
>by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
>each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
>feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
>had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
>there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
>for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
>me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
>something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
>Many Thanx!
>
I recall that there was an Electrovoice Patrician with a 30 inch
woofer. It was a gigantic 5 or 6 ft high monster built for corner
placement.

[isw]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "PanHandler" > wrote in message
>
>
> > As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was
> > reminded of a Bose system of the mid-late sixties. It was
> > a single cabinet unit about 8' long by about 3' high and
> > had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
> > each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
> > looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician'
> > possibly with a suffix number.
>
> As others have observed, it was the EV Patrician, of which there were a
> chronological sequence of upgraded models.
>
> > It had a 30" woofer.
>
> Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a peanut-whistle. Couldn't
> take much power, and had virtually no linear stroke at all.

I've heard that EV developed that 30" woofer as a replacement when they
lost their license to make Klipschorn clones -- and they lost it because
their "clones" deviated a bit too much, and performed a bit too poorly,
to satisfy PWK.

Isaac

[Mr.T]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> >> Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a
> >> peanut-whistle. Couldn't take much power, and had
> >> virtually no linear stroke at all.
> >
> > 60W continuous IIRC.
>
> That's what I remember.
>
> Of course, power amps with more than 60 watts were very rare in the days
of
> tubes.

Exactly, It's not the power handling that was important, it's the max
undistorted SPL, and many of those speakers would leave the now common mini
box speakers
for dead.

> I have a number of friends who used 30W woofers in the day, some of whom
> still have working examples to this day. A good modern 10" driver could
> out-displace a 30 W. In the day, even EV's later SP-12s were more
> practical.

Sure, as amplifiers got bigger, speakers got smaller, which suited more
people and rooms.

> Materials sciences of those days, particularly glues and insulation, were
> hardly what they are today.

So true, but some of those speakers weren't bad considering. The Patrician
wouldn't have been my choice personally, but I'd still have a Tannoy GRF or
JBL Hartsfield :-)

MrT.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
u
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

>>>> (EV 30W) Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a
>>>> peanut-whistle. Couldn't take much power, and had
>>>> virtually no linear stroke at all.

>>> 60W continuous IIRC.

>> That's what I remember.

>> Of course, power amps with more than 60 watts were very
>> rare in the days of tubes.

> Exactly, It's not the power handling that was important,
> it's the max undistorted SPL, and many of those speakers
> would leave the now common mini box speakers
> for dead.

The best speakers of the day roughly correspond to current accepted practice
for live sound. Since those days, live sound drivers got comparable thermal
and long-throw upgrades, and now make several times as many acoustic watts
in the same size boxes, but significantly deeper and cleaner.

>> I have a number of friends who used 30W woofers in the
>> day, some of whom still have working examples to this
>> day. A good modern 10" driver could out-displace a 30
>> W. In the day, even EV's later SP-12s were more
>> practical.

> Sure, as amplifiers got bigger, speakers got smaller,
> which suited more people and rooms.

Also, the economics were very favorable. Good sound cheaper always sells.

>> Materials sciences of those days, particularly glues and
>> insulation, were hardly what they are today.

> So true, but some of those speakers weren't bad
> considering. The Patrician wouldn't have been my choice
> personally, but I'd still have a Tannoy GRF or JBL
> Hartsfield :-)

I have a friend who in the 60s and 70s used a pair of Tannoy Monitor Golds
and a 30W modified with an accelerometer fastened to the voice coil, and
inside a servo system that used a Tigersaurus (ca. 200 wpc) for power.

Sounded great until the Tigersaurus slowly cooked the 30W voice coil and it
started to rub. The nonlinear loading of the rubbing made the servo system
emit strange noises, but it still basically worked.

[Arny Krueger]

"isw" > wrote in message
]

> I've heard that EV developed that 30" woofer as a
> replacement when they lost their license to make
> Klipschorn clones -- and they lost it because their
> "clones" deviated a bit too much, and performed a bit too
> poorly, to satisfy PWK.

That seems bass-ackwards to me. It is true that Klipsch started out using
EV drivers. He was a box-builder and systems integrator, not a builder of
speaker components. I don't know where the relatively small trickle of
drivers that EV sold to Klipsch affected EV's technical development or
business plans.

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:38:25 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"isw" > wrote in message
]
>
>> I've heard that EV developed that 30" woofer as a
>> replacement when they lost their license to make
>> Klipschorn clones -- and they lost it because their
>> "clones" deviated a bit too much, and performed a bit too
>> poorly, to satisfy PWK.
>
>That seems bass-ackwards to me. It is true that Klipsch started out using
>EV drivers. He was a box-builder and systems integrator, not a builder of
>speaker components. I don't know where the relatively small trickle of
>drivers that EV sold to Klipsch affected EV's technical development or
>business plans.

Klipsch continued to use EV-made drivers for many decades, even
after buying the workings of a closing plant in Texas (Pyle?, and
all other details also pretty much lost to me by time - don't
*believe* any of this paragraph) and began their own driver
lines in Hope.

The classic Klipsch tweeter, used in the Klipschorns, LaScalas's,
Belle's, Cornwall's and Heresy's until 1983-1984 was the EV T-35.
Originally individually selected from raw factory production for
performance to 17KHz, eventually EV production allowed a batch
acceptance.

Many folks made woofers for Klipsch, including EV and other
prestige names, but the Eminence-made woofers seem to be the
best of the pre-1983/84 woofers.

Let's not talk about the midrange drivers.


Much thanks, as always,
Chris Hornbeck

[isw]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "isw" > wrote in message
> ]
>
> > I've heard that EV developed that 30" woofer as a
> > replacement when they lost their license to make
> > Klipschorn clones -- and they lost it because their
> > "clones" deviated a bit too much, and performed a bit too
> > poorly, to satisfy PWK.
>
> That seems bass-ackwards to me. It is true that Klipsch started out using
> EV drivers. He was a box-builder and systems integrator, not a builder of
> speaker components. I don't know where the relatively small trickle of
> drivers that EV sold to Klipsch affected EV's technical development or
> business plans.

I think the first woofer drivers Klipsch used were Stevens Tru-Sonic,
but as I recall being told, Stevens's quality control got poor, and
Klipsch had to go looking for another supplier (EV). EV provided drivers
to Klipsch, and he licensed EV to offer an enclosure kit called the
"Georgian", which was a (poorly) modified version of the Klipschorn (the
throat was "simplified" and didn't work as well, according to PWK). The
same unit may have also been available already assembled and finished; I
don't recall.

According to PWK, when he couldn't get EV to "fix" the Georgian throat
design, he cancelled the deal, and that's when EV built the 30-incher --
as an attempt to get similar low-end response without having to use
Klipsch's design.

Somewhat later, Klipsch was using CTS woofers; I don't know if there
were any others in between.

Isaac

[isw]

In article >,
Chris Hornbeck > wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:38:25 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> >"isw" > wrote in message
> ]
> >
> >> I've heard that EV developed that 30" woofer as a
> >> replacement when they lost their license to make
> >> Klipschorn clones -- and they lost it because their
> >> "clones" deviated a bit too much, and performed a bit too
> >> poorly, to satisfy PWK.
> >
> >That seems bass-ackwards to me. It is true that Klipsch started out using
> >EV drivers. He was a box-builder and systems integrator, not a builder of
> >speaker components. I don't know where the relatively small trickle of
> >drivers that EV sold to Klipsch affected EV's technical development or
> >business plans.
>
> Klipsch continued to use EV-made drivers for many decades

The driver sets I bought from him in the mid- to late '60's are
definitely not EV units; I'm almost certain they are CTS. In any case,
"many decades" is a bit too long a time since the K-horn would only have
been in real production for something like 20 years when I bought mine
(he didn't really get started until after WWII).

Isaac

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:31:40 -0800, isw > wrote:

>> Klipsch continued to use EV-made drivers for many decades
>
>The driver sets I bought from him in the mid- to late '60's are
>definitely not EV units; I'm almost certain they are CTS. In any case,
>"many decades" is a bit too long a time since the K-horn would only have
>been in real production for something like 20 years when I bought mine
>(he didn't really get started until after WWII).

To clarify, Klipsch's classic speakers used the EV T-35 tweeters
from at least the late 1960's through the mid 1980's, as their
part number "K77", after which a transition to the ceramic ("mud
magnet") EV driver began, part number K77M.

I don't believe that EV tweeters are used at all now, but I
don't know fersure, fersure.

Much thanks,
Chris Hornbeck

[Randy Yates]

Chris Hornbeck > writes:

> On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:31:40 -0800, isw > wrote:
>
>>> Klipsch continued to use EV-made drivers for many decades
>>
>>The driver sets I bought from him in the mid- to late '60's are
>>definitely not EV units; I'm almost certain they are CTS. In any case,
>>"many decades" is a bit too long a time since the K-horn would only have
>>been in real production for something like 20 years when I bought mine
>>(he didn't really get started until after WWII).
>
> To clarify, Klipsch's classic speakers used the EV T-35 tweeters
> from at least the late 1960's through the mid 1980's, as their
> part number "K77", after which a transition to the ceramic ("mud
> magnet") EV driver began, part number K77M.
>
> I don't believe that EV tweeters are used at all now, but I
> don't know fersure, fersure.
>
> Much thanks,
> Chris Hornbeck

There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
pair.

Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
them?
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[Chris Hornbeck]

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
wrote:

>There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>pair.
>
>Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>them?

German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
(beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
bright colors? Never heard of 'em...

The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
in commercially available designs. All others make an
assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.

The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
very useful data point.


Much thanks, as always,
Chris Hornbeck

[isw]

In article >,
Chris Hornbeck > wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:31:40 -0800, isw > wrote:
>
> >> Klipsch continued to use EV-made drivers for many decades
> >
> >The driver sets I bought from him in the mid- to late '60's are
> >definitely not EV units; I'm almost certain they are CTS. In any case,
> >"many decades" is a bit too long a time since the K-horn would only have
> >been in real production for something like 20 years when I bought mine
> >(he didn't really get started until after WWII).
>
> To clarify, Klipsch's classic speakers used the EV T-35 tweeters
> from at least the late 1960's through the mid 1980's, as their
> part number "K77", after which a transition to the ceramic ("mud
> magnet") EV driver began, part number K77M.

I could have been more clear too; I was referring to the woofer driver
being CTS. My driver sets included EV T-35 tweeters and (I think) Ajax
midrange (PWK called 'em "squawkers") drivers.

Isaac

[WindsorFox[_4_]]

Eeyore wrote:
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Impressive in the day, by modern standards it is a peanut-whistle. Couldn't
>> take much power, and had virtually no linear stroke at all.
>
> 60W continuous IIRC. No Kapton back then I assume, or not in use as voice coil
> formers. Didn't work very well as aircraft wiring insulation as it happens. It
> cracked too easily and would arc over.
>
> I recall coming back from Tunisia in a 727 where the lights kept flickering. It
> wasn't a good feeling.
>
> Nor was the baggage inspection on the way out from Heathrow. It was dumped on
> the tarmac and you had to pick up your own luggage before they'd put it in the
> hold and then you walked up the rear air stairs, ensuring at least you'd have to
> be a suicide bomber one presumes.
>
> Graham
>

Because he was looking for a Bose brand whose description resembles
an old JBL console offering??

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[WindsorFox[_4_]]

PanHandler wrote:
> "PanHandler" > wrote in message
> ...
> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
> ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit
> about 8' long by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with
> ports (slots?) at each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
> looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a
> suffix number. It had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine
> from the era, and there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn
> Google out looking
> for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
> me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
> something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
>
>


That description sounds like a JBL cabinet.
http://hifiear.com/DSC01890_800x600.jpg

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[WindsorFox[_4_]]

Richard Crowley wrote:
> "PanHandler" wrote ...
>> "PanHandler" wrote ...
>> As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of an
>> ELECTRO VOICE system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit
>> about 8' long by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with
>> ports (slots?) at each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel
>> looked about 5½ feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a
>> suffix number. It had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine
>> from the era, and there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've
>> worn Google out looking
>> for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody
>> tell me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
>> something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
>
> Would you believe JBL Paragon? :-)
> http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/paragon.htm
> Here is a nice picture with a van der Rohe "Barcelona" chair...
> http://www.audioheritage.org/images/jbl/photos/home-speakers/paragon-color.jpg
>
> But Bose makes a 1/25th-scale plastic scale model that looks
> vaguely reminiscent. You may have seen it in infomercials. Looks
> like they get roughly the same $$$ for it as JBL did back in the day.
> http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/05/bose/image/bose_wave.jpg
>

I don't care what Paul Harvey says, that thing sounds like crap.

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[Randy Yates]

Chris Hornbeck > writes:

> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
> wrote:
>
>>There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>pair.
>>
>>Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>them?
>
> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...

> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
> in commercially available designs. All others make an
> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>
> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
> very useful data point.

Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
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[Kalman Rubinson[_3_]]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
wrote:

>Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>pair.
>>>
>>>Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>them?
>>
>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>
>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>
>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>> very useful data point.
>
>Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.

How about these?
http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en

Kal

[WindsorFox[_4_]]

Kalman Rubinson wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
> wrote:
>
>> Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>> of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>> dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>> pair.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>> them?
>>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>>
>>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>>> very useful data point.
>> Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
>
> How about these?
> http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en
>
> Kal
>

Geeze I could not come up with their name to save my life. I kept
thinking Esoteric and THAT sure wasn't correct...

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[Don Pearce[_2_]]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:29:04 -0600, "WindsorFox<[SS]>"
> wrote:

>Kalman Rubinson wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>>> of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>>> dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>>> pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>>> them?
>>>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>>>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>>>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>>>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>>>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>>>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>>>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>>>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>>>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>>>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>>>> very useful data point.
>>> Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
>>
>> How about these?
>> http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en
>>
>> Kal
>>
>
> Geeze I could not come up with their name to save my life. I kept
>thinking Esoteric and THAT sure wasn't correct...

Interesting claims on that site. The Solo has a bass horn 2.4 inches
long, 18.1 inches wide (from a driver diameter of 11.8 inches) and
works dow to 30Hz. Yet another company re-writes the physics book.

And of course horns distort - no options, it is built in.

d

[Kalman Rubinson[_3_]]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:51:54 GMT, (Don Pearce) wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:29:04 -0600, "WindsorFox<[SS]>"
> wrote:
>
>>Kalman Rubinson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>>>> of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>>>> dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>>>> pair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>>>> them?
>>>>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>>>>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>>>>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>>>>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>>>>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>>>>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>>>>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>>>>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>>>>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>>>>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>>>>> very useful data point.
>>>> Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
>>>
>>> How about these?
>>> http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en
>>>
>>> Kal
>>>
>>
>> Geeze I could not come up with their name to save my life. I kept
>>thinking Esoteric and THAT sure wasn't correct...
>
>Interesting claims on that site. The Solo has a bass horn 2.4 inches
>long, 18.1 inches wide (from a driver diameter of 11.8 inches) and
>works dow to 30Hz. Yet another company re-writes the physics book.
>
>And of course horns distort - no options, it is built in.
>
>d

[Randy Yates]

Kalman Rubinson > writes:

> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
> wrote:
>
>>Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>>of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>>dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>>pair.
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>>them?
>>>
>>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>>
>>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>>
>>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>>> very useful data point.
>>
>>Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
>
> How about these?
> http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en

Thanks, Kal, but no, these aren't the ones. Not unless they've
discontinued the model I'm thinking of. It was a unit that stood about 6
to 8 feet high with 360-degree (circular, symmetrical) horns mounted
their vertical axes pointing either towards the ground or the ceiling.
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[WindsorFox[_4_]]

Randy Yates wrote:
> Kalman Rubinson > writes:
>
>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:48:46 -0500, Randy Yates >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Hornbeck > writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:01:57 -0500, Randy Yates >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a company I saw, oh, maybe 10 years ago that made another type
>>>>> of three-way horn system, but as I recall the horns had a 360 degree
>>>>> dispersion. And they were, um, pricey - to the tune of about $100,000 /
>>>>> pair.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone remember their name? Or better yet, have the literature on
>>>>> them?
>>>> German? Free-standing horns with the flare continuing back to
>>>> (beyond?) 90 degrees? Very thin horn walls of plastic in
>>>> bright colors? Never heard of 'em...
>>>> The Audio(something-or-others) looked to have an actually
>>>> accurate exponential horn flare rate - something IME unique
>>>> in commercially available designs. All others make an
>>>> assumption of a flat wavefront, a good assumption at the
>>>> throat, but a very poor one everywhere else. Sound travels
>>>> at a constant speed, so wavefronts are spherical, etc.
>>>>
>>>> The ones I heard were disappointing, but listening conditions
>>>> were very poor (a Las Vegas hotel room at a show) - so not a
>>>> very useful data point.
>>> Thanks Chris. I wish I could conjure up that name, though.
>> How about these?
>> http://www.avantgarde-acoustic.de/hornlautsprecher.php?lang=en
>
> Thanks, Kal, but no, these aren't the ones. Not unless they've
> discontinued the model I'm thinking of. It was a unit that stood about 6
> to 8 feet high with 360-degree (circular, symmetrical) horns mounted
> their vertical axes pointing either towards the ground or the ceiling.


You're not thinking of Ohm speakers??

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[Kalman Rubinson[_3_]]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:31:49 -0600, "WindsorFox<[SS]>"
> wrote:

>Randy Yates wrote:

>> Thanks, Kal, but no, these aren't the ones. Not unless they've
>> discontinued the model I'm thinking of. It was a unit that stood about 6
>> to 8 feet high with 360-degree (circular, symmetrical) horns mounted
>> their vertical axes pointing either towards the ground or the ceiling.
>
>
> You're not thinking of Ohm speakers??

Ohm (and German Physics) look like horns but are not.

Kal

[mariarayan]

yes something similar to this was published in High
Fidelity magazine

;844066']As I was reading the thread on Bose 901 speakers I was reminded of a Bose
system of the mid-late sixties. It was a single cabinet unit about 8' long
by about 3' high and had a convex curved front panel with ports (slots?) at
each end near the mid and high drivers. The curved panel looked about 5½
feet wide. The model name was 'Patrician' possibly with a suffix number. It
had a 30" woofer. I used to have an old Audio magazine from the era, and
there was a write-up on it, along with a photo. I've worn Google out looking
for info, but no joy on this particular 'Patrician'. Please... somebody tell
me I haven't lost my marbles and at least say "yeah, I seem to recall
something like that". Mebbe I'll sleep better hearing at least that much!
Many Thanx!