BretLudwig
November 23rd 08, 10:14 PM
((A fact cannot be racist. It cannot be anti-Semitic. It can not be
fascist. And it can not be hateful. There is no such thing as a hate fact.
Bret.))
View From Lodi, CA Pittsburgh, PA: “Hate Speech” Or “Hate Facts” -
Irrefutable But Unmentionable?
By Joe Guzzardi
>>?Toward the middle of every week, I check the News-Sentinel blog to see
how readers have responded to my column from the preceding Saturday.
I’m always curious to measure how effectively I’ve made my argument.
And I look for valuable feedback from readers who may point out an angle
that I might have overlooked.
The columns that have generated the most passionate reader reaction are
the critical ones that I’ve directed at President George W. Bush and
those that reflect my immigration reduction philosophy.
Three weeks ago, commenting on two stories by News-Sentinel reporter
Jennifer Bonnett about the Lodi Unified School District’s English as a
second language classes, I wrote that after more than twenty years of
teaching adult ESL, I had serious doubts about its effectiveness.
In my summary, I made two central points.
First if the district, and in fact, the America, wants to reduce the huge
numbers of non-English speakers that drain increasingly scarce financial
and teacher resources, the Mexican government will have to fulfill its
obligation as a sovereign nation-state to provide for its citizens.
Instead, Mexico actively pushes them toward California where they bring
their school age children. Once here, more children are born.
Second, unless the decades-old trend of unchecked illegal immigration
reverses itself, America as we know it will cease to exist.
Some News-Sentinel readers objected.
Some feel that a multicultural, multilingual California would be a richer,
more rewarding place to live.
Others say that California once belonged to Mexico and it is only just
that, through immigration, the state will gradually revert to its original
status.
Still another group concluded that I am too harsh on the young second
language learners. One invited me to go to Stanford University where her
former ESL student is pursuing an advanced degree.
All those views are well and good. And many Californians hold them.
But here’s the key thing. Every single one of them is an opinion and
arguable.
Maybe bilingual signage and pressing 1 for English doesn’t bother you.
But it does me.
Mexico, in fact, did once own the California territory. But Mexico lost a
war with the U.S., willingly signed a treaty, accepted payment in exchange
for its land and thus allowed the U.S. to acquire California legitimately.
And sure, we can find ESL successes at Stanford and maybe even Harvard
too. But with the California Hispanic high school dropout rate at about 25
percent, it’s obvious that there are more failures than successes.
We can argue and argue and argue.
But there’s no disputing my two conclusions. Like it or not, they’re
fact-based and 100 percent accurate.
To repeat, the students overwhelming our schools are either illegally in
the US or the illegal aliens’ children. If the U.S. enforced immigration
law, they would still be in their native countries.
And if the border remains wide open, then the America that many Lodians
and I grew up in is finished.
Should anyone care to challenge either of those two points, please feel
free to contact me.
I’ll make one final but important point that readers also overlooked.
Although some charged me of “hate,” I’ll simply say in my defense
that I didn’t pull the statistics out of the air. Don’t kill the
messenger.
Bonnett’s original story and the column I followed up with cited the Pew
Hispanic Center and the U.S. Census Bureau as calculating that by 2050
Hispanic K-12 student enrollment would increase by 116 percent nationwide
and that two thirds of all San Joaquin Valley children are Hispanic.
Does that make the Census Bureau and the Pew Hispanic Center “hate”
organizations?
The reality is that to deal effectively with the increasingly high rates
of non-English speakers in California’s public education system, we have
to address what I refer to as politically incorrect “hate facts”—
that is, facts that no one refutes but everyone ignores because of their
connotation.
As long as no one---except maybe me---dares to talk about them, then you
can expect more of the same, at least until 2050.
For now, that’s as long as the Census Bureau looks ahead."<<
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fascist. And it can not be hateful. There is no such thing as a hate fact.
Bret.))
View From Lodi, CA Pittsburgh, PA: “Hate Speech” Or “Hate Facts” -
Irrefutable But Unmentionable?
By Joe Guzzardi
>>?Toward the middle of every week, I check the News-Sentinel blog to see
how readers have responded to my column from the preceding Saturday.
I’m always curious to measure how effectively I’ve made my argument.
And I look for valuable feedback from readers who may point out an angle
that I might have overlooked.
The columns that have generated the most passionate reader reaction are
the critical ones that I’ve directed at President George W. Bush and
those that reflect my immigration reduction philosophy.
Three weeks ago, commenting on two stories by News-Sentinel reporter
Jennifer Bonnett about the Lodi Unified School District’s English as a
second language classes, I wrote that after more than twenty years of
teaching adult ESL, I had serious doubts about its effectiveness.
In my summary, I made two central points.
First if the district, and in fact, the America, wants to reduce the huge
numbers of non-English speakers that drain increasingly scarce financial
and teacher resources, the Mexican government will have to fulfill its
obligation as a sovereign nation-state to provide for its citizens.
Instead, Mexico actively pushes them toward California where they bring
their school age children. Once here, more children are born.
Second, unless the decades-old trend of unchecked illegal immigration
reverses itself, America as we know it will cease to exist.
Some News-Sentinel readers objected.
Some feel that a multicultural, multilingual California would be a richer,
more rewarding place to live.
Others say that California once belonged to Mexico and it is only just
that, through immigration, the state will gradually revert to its original
status.
Still another group concluded that I am too harsh on the young second
language learners. One invited me to go to Stanford University where her
former ESL student is pursuing an advanced degree.
All those views are well and good. And many Californians hold them.
But here’s the key thing. Every single one of them is an opinion and
arguable.
Maybe bilingual signage and pressing 1 for English doesn’t bother you.
But it does me.
Mexico, in fact, did once own the California territory. But Mexico lost a
war with the U.S., willingly signed a treaty, accepted payment in exchange
for its land and thus allowed the U.S. to acquire California legitimately.
And sure, we can find ESL successes at Stanford and maybe even Harvard
too. But with the California Hispanic high school dropout rate at about 25
percent, it’s obvious that there are more failures than successes.
We can argue and argue and argue.
But there’s no disputing my two conclusions. Like it or not, they’re
fact-based and 100 percent accurate.
To repeat, the students overwhelming our schools are either illegally in
the US or the illegal aliens’ children. If the U.S. enforced immigration
law, they would still be in their native countries.
And if the border remains wide open, then the America that many Lodians
and I grew up in is finished.
Should anyone care to challenge either of those two points, please feel
free to contact me.
I’ll make one final but important point that readers also overlooked.
Although some charged me of “hate,” I’ll simply say in my defense
that I didn’t pull the statistics out of the air. Don’t kill the
messenger.
Bonnett’s original story and the column I followed up with cited the Pew
Hispanic Center and the U.S. Census Bureau as calculating that by 2050
Hispanic K-12 student enrollment would increase by 116 percent nationwide
and that two thirds of all San Joaquin Valley children are Hispanic.
Does that make the Census Bureau and the Pew Hispanic Center “hate”
organizations?
The reality is that to deal effectively with the increasingly high rates
of non-English speakers in California’s public education system, we have
to address what I refer to as politically incorrect “hate facts”—
that is, facts that no one refutes but everyone ignores because of their
connotation.
As long as no one---except maybe me---dares to talk about them, then you
can expect more of the same, at least until 2050.
For now, that’s as long as the Census Bureau looks ahead."<<
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/081121_vfl.htm
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