Arny vs. Galo on SACD

[BretLudwig]

I was reading the June 2008 AudioXPress and I found Gary Galo's AES column
quite interesting. He says:

" Out of 554 trials there were 276 correct answers-no better than "coin
flip" results. To those of us who have recorded in both high-res and
CD-standard digital, the conclusions seem ridiculous".

And:

"On my own equipment, the differences between SACD and CD layers are
readily audible. Yet the conclusion of Meyer and Moran is that "Our test
results indicate that all of these recordings could be released on
conventional CDs with no audible difference". In their view, "Further
claims that careful 16/44.1 encoding audibly degrades high resolution
signals must be supported by properly controlled double blind tests".

Apparently they believe that recording engineers such as Tom Jung are
simply deluding themselves. Perhaps we also need a series of ABX tests to
verify whether there are any visible differences between NTSC and HDTV".




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[Arny Krueger]

"BretLudwig" > wrote in message
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> I was reading the June 2008 AudioXPress and I found Gary
> Galo's AES column quite interesting. He says:

> " Out of 554 trials there were 276 correct answers-no
> better than "coin flip" results. To those of us who have
> recorded in both high-res and CD-standard digital, the
> conclusions seem ridiculous".

Gary Gallo seems to be unaware or disrespectful of other experienced
recordists, like George Massenberg and Bob Katz, who weren't the least bit
surprised because they been there and done that some years earlier.

BTW, who is Gary Gallo to speak authoritatively?

> And:

> "On my own equipment, the differences between SACD and CD
> layers are readily audible.

It would appear that Gary Gallo is not much of a practitioner of reliable
listening tests.

> Yet the conclusion of Meyer
> and Moran is that "Our test results indicate that all of
> these recordings could be released on conventional CDs
> with no audible difference". In their view, "Further
> claims that careful 16/44.1 encoding audibly degrades
> high resolution signals must be supported by properly
> controlled double blind tests".

One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
test.

> Apparently they believe that recording engineers such as
> Tom Jung are simply deluding themselves.

I believe the more relevant word is "illuding".

> Perhaps we also need a series of ABX tests to verify whether there are
> any visible differences between NTSC and HDTV".

Straw man argument noted.

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Iun, 11:54, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
> One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> test.
>

It works for beliefs in virgin births,
parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
put those to your
scientific test, Arny.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> > test.

> It works for beliefs in virgin births,
> parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
> put those to your
> scientific test, Arny.

We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself.

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Iun, 13:31, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> > > test.
> > It works for beliefs in virgin births,
> > parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
> > put those to your
> > scientific test, Arny.
>
> We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
> term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself.

Scottocracy?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
> > term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself.
>
> Scottocracy?

ROOTLFLMOO! (A joke like that deserves a Krooglish laugh.)

[Clyde Slick]

On 18 Iun, 18:58, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 12:00*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 18 Iun, 13:31, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
> > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> > > > > test.
> > > > It works for beliefs in virgin births,
> > > > parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
> > > > put those to your
> > > > scientific test, Arny.
>
> > > We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
> > > term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself.
>
> > Scottocracy?
>
> *Next time you take someones house under ed...you must sell yours to
> the gov for the same price.
>
> ScottW

I'll arrange my work schedule so that the
next one will be $1.25 million.
And I'll take the relocation assistance, too.

Today's owner wanted $2.5 million for his horse farm.

[BretLudwig]

Arny:

>>"BTW, who is Gary Gallo to speak authoritatively?"<<

Bret And Everyone Else:

Pot. Kettle. Arny.

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[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Iun, 15:21, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 7:08*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 18 Iun, 18:58, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 18, 12:00*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 18 Iun, 13:31, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
> > > > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > > > One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> > > > > > > test.
> > > > > > It works for beliefs in virgin births,
> > > > > > parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
> > > > > > put those to your
> > > > > > scientific test, Arny.
>
> > > > > We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
> > > > > term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself.
>
> > > > Scottocracy?
>
> > > *Next time you take someones house under ed...you must sell yours to
> > > the gov for the same price.
>
> > > ScottW
>
> > I'll arrange my work schedule so that the
> > next one will be $1.25 million.
>
> Just another bureauocrat manipulating the system.
>
> ScottW-

So, everytime I pull as file off my desk and work it,
I'm 'manipulating the system".
LOL!!!!!

ai guess in your job, you are just a preprogrammed robot.
No options to make any decisions about your workschedule,

[Clyde Slick]

On 19 Iun, 18:37, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2:55*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 19 Iun, 15:21, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 18, 7:08*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > On 18 Iun, 18:58, ScottW > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 18, 12:00*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 18 Iun, 13:31, George M. Middius > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > > > > > One only uses DBTs if one is ready to put one's beliefs to a scientific
> > > > > > > > > test.
> > > > > > > > It works for beliefs in virgin births,
> > > > > > > > parting seas, talking to Jesus, and creation, too!!!
> > > > > > > > put those to your
> > > > > > > > scientific test, Arny.
>
> > > > > > > We all know the Krooborg hasn't used his aBxism thingie in years. There's a
> > > > > > > term for demanding that others do what one doesn't do oneself..
>
> > > > > > Scottocracy?
>
> > > > > *Next time you take someones house under ed...you must sell yours to
> > > > > the gov for the same price.
>
> > > > > ScottW
>
> > > > I'll arrange my work schedule so that the
> > > > next one will be $1.25 million.
>
> > > Just another bureauocrat manipulating the system.
>
> > > ScottW-
>
> > So, everytime I pull as file off my desk and work it,
> > I'm 'manipulating the system".
>
> *You're an exploiter.
>
> *If you arranged it.
>

Who did I exploit?
My previous eminent domain house purchase was over $300k
and an additional $255K in relocation assistance.
But that was maybe 5 years ago.
Before I retired.
I don't work for the gov anymore.

>
> > ai guess in your job, you are just a preprogrammed robot.
> > No options to make any decisions about your workschedule,
>
> All the time, but I'm free to ask people to do stuff I won't do
> myself.

LOL!!!!
They do your DBT's for you.

> You are not.
>
> ScottW