Vinyl popularity may revive better cartridge technology

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Arguing over whether moving magnet or moving coil cartridges are best
is like a dispute over whether castor oil is the thing to use
lubricating rotary radial aero engines or whether hot tube or magneto
ignition is better. Semiconductor strain gauge technology is
indisputedly the best way to make a cartridge, but low volume has
deterred research and development. maybe when vimyl picks up volume we
will finally see a GOOD cartridge?

[UnsteadyKen]

said:

> maybe when vinyl picks up volume we
> will finally see a GOOD cartridge?
>
One like this you mean?
http://www.sound-smith.com/cartridges/sg.html
--
Ken

[BretLudwig]

>>"I've heard it. It's really, really good.

Boon"<<

You mean really, really expensive.

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[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 6:00�pm, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
> � said:
>
> > maybe when vinyl picks up volume we
> > will finally see a GOOD cartridge?
>
> One like this you mean?http://www.sound-smith.com/cartridges/sg.html
> --
> Ken

I've heard it. It's really, really good.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 6:15�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> >>"I've heard it. �It's really, really good.
>
> Boon"<<
>
> �You mean really, really expensive.

I don't even know what it costs, to tell you the truth.

Boon

[UnsteadyKen]

Vinylanach said:

> I've heard it. It's really, really good.

I can well believe it, they have a lot of theoretical advantages over
MM/MC's which with modern materials technology and manufacturing
methods can now be practically realised. A friend of mine in the mid
70's replaced his V15 with a SG (make forgotten) and we were
enormously impressed with it. Superb clarity and tracked like a
demon. Then they seemed to fade from view, but now it looks like
they are back with a bang. SoundSmith have done a good job by the
looks of it, replaceable stylii, tracking force readout and it glows
in the dark, gimmee!

--
Ken

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 7:23�pm, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
> Vinylanach �said:
>
> > I've heard it. �It's really, really good.
>
> I can well believe it, they have a lot of theoretical advantages over
> MM/MC's which with modern materials technology and manufacturing
> methods can now be practically realised. A friend of mine in the mid
> 70's replaced his V15 with a SG (make forgotten) and we were
> enormously impressed with it. Superb clarity and tracked like a
> demon. �Then they seemed to fade from view, but now it looks like
> they are back with a bang. SoundSmith have done a good job by the
> looks of it, replaceable stylii, tracking force readout and it glows
> in the dark, gimmee!

SoundSmith are the good guys, since they are probably the only place
in the world that repair and carry parts for Bang & Ofulsen 'tables as
well. Thier less expensive cartridges are relatively affordable and
sound nice as well.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message

> Vinylanach said:
>
>> I've heard it. It's really, really good.
>
> I can well believe it,

Yup, hope springs eternal among the unknowledgeable true believers.

> they have a lot of theoretical
> advantages over MM/MC's which with modern materials
> technology and manufacturing methods can now be
> practically realised.

That's the problem - the performance limits of vinyl are in the vinyl
material and the backwards traditional way that LPs are fabricated.

All the kings cartridges and all the kings turntables can't put Humpty-Vinyl
back in such a way that it makes good sound by modern standards.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 11, 6:15*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Vinylanach *said:
>
> >> I've heard it. *It's really, really good.
>
> > I can well believe it,
>
> Yup, hope springs eternal among the unknowledgeable true believers.
>
> > they have a lot of theoretical
> > advantages over MM/MC's which with modern materials
> > technology and manufacturing methods can now be
> > practically realised.
>
> That's the problem - the performance limits of vinyl are in the vinyl
> material and the backwards traditional way that LPs are fabricated.
>
> All the kings cartridges and all the kings turntables can't put Humpty-Vinyl
> back in such a way that it makes good sound by modern standards.

I have an idea, GOIA: don't listen to vinyl if you don't like it.

Your constant whining about vinyl is pretty insane. LOL!

[UnsteadyKen]

Arny Krueger said:

> That means that any device based on a simple slope has significant errors
> in the midrange region. The nature of the error is a broad midrange peak of
> several dB.
>
> So, part of the so-called exceptional sound that people who are impressed by
> this product hear is simply a clearly audible midrange peak.
>
I've been chasing this SG thing round the web for a couple of weeks
since I came across it and have read over a couple of dozen mini
reviews and impressions of it, most comment on the good linearity of
the device and none have any adverse comments about the perceived
frequency response.All of which adds up to little evidence really.

The only real semi-technical data is found in
http://www.sound-smith.com/cartridges/article.pdf
which is a translation of an Italian review complete with a couple
of vague graphs and which also states that "only" 1db of correction
would be required to conform to the RIAA curve

It is still an interesting concept and would be well worth hearing
IMHO. And only $7,500 to $15,000.

--
Ken

[TT]

"UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message
m...
:
: It is still an interesting concept and would be well worth
hearing
: IMHO. And only $7,500 to $15,000.
:
: --
: Ken

That's a hell of lot of "puta fixa up" jobs for Arny! No
wonder he is canning the idea like he does with so many
other things he can't afford ;-)

Cheers TT

[RapidRonnie]

The Audio Cyclopedia contains a great deal of information on strain
gage cartridges as does the Eisenson "Tu-be or Not Tu-Be" book.

The bottom line is that they are incompatible with existing phono
stages and the startup costs are horrendous, though, in mass
production the cost per unit would be cheap. The problem is that if
they WERE cheap no one would buy them, they "couldn't be any good",
and if they weren't cheap only a few would buy them anyway.

Catch-22.