High prices for suspension equipped turntables

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From a review of Jerry Raskin's NeedleDoctor web site it appears the
cheapest turntable with any kind of suspension system, new, is in in
the $2000-2500 range.

That's ridiculous.

I think the bottom line is there's a lot of people out there that have
more money than any sense of what it costs to make things.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> From a review of Jerry Raskin's NeedleDoctor web site it appears the
> cheapest turntable with any kind of suspension system, new, is in in
> the $2000-2500 range.
>
> That's ridiculous.
>
> I think the bottom line is there's a lot of people out there that have
> more money than any sense of what it costs to make things.

Agreed. But I like the sound of:
http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Emotion_2?sc=2&category=347

and

http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Ambient-CMB-Turntable?sc=2&categor
y=347

and

http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Performance-Turntable-Package?sc=2
&category=347

and

http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-P3-24Turntable?sc=2&category=353

and even

http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-Turntable-Xpression-Mk-III_2?sc=2&ca
tegory=352

for example

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>
> > I think the bottom line is there's a lot of people out there that have
> > more money than any sense of what it costs to make things.
>
> Agreed. But I like the sound of:http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Emotion_2?sc=2&category=347
>
> and
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Ambient-CMB-Turntable?sc=2&cat...
> y=347
>
> and
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Performance-Turntable-Package?...
> &category=347
>
> and
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-P3-24Turntable?sc=2&category=353
>
> and even
>
> http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-Turntable-Xpression-Mk-III_2?sc=...
> tegory=352
>
> for example

Ever skip rope in front of one? Ever have someone in the next
apartment skip rope while you're listening to one? That can be even
worse.

You need a suspension with springs AND dampers. Springs don't absorb
energy, they simply hold it in suspension for a certain period.
Dampers-"shock absorbers"-convert the resonant energy into, usually,
heat.

You will wind up with a system with a resonant frequency and a "Q",
like a tank circuit. You do know about tank circuits, yes?

The resonance has to be either above or below the area of interest,
say 20 to 20000 Hertz. With some overlap.

The old console builders knew that. Of course, they cheated by
rolling off early on both ends, because any serious bass response
would have invited "ground resonance" and the box would have shook
like an old washing machine with a bowling ball in the drum.

All this aside, you are talking a matter of cents for the springs and
a couple dollars for the dampers. The expensive bits are the bearing-
$10 to $100, $200 tops for missile grade-and the motor, similar
pricing. If you want electronic active motor control you are looking
at twenty to fifty bucks. The Linn Lingo has about $30 in parts at
Digikey onesy hobbyist prices. (Design costs? Any good designer could
have done it in a day, with PCB, for $500.)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> >
> > > I think the bottom line is there's a lot of people out there that have
> > > more money than any sense of what it costs to make things.
> >
> > Agreed. But I like the sound
> > of:http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Emotion_2?sc=2&category=347
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Ambient-CMB-Turntable?sc=2&cat...
> > y=347
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Performance-Turntable-Package?...
> > &category=347
> >
> > and
> >
> > http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-P3-24Turntable?sc=2&category=353
> >
> > and even
> >
> > http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-Turntable-Xpression-Mk-III_2?sc=...
> > tegory=352
> >
> > for example
>
> Ever skip rope in front of one? Ever have someone in the next
> apartment skip rope while you're listening to one? That can be even
> worse.

No, I don't usually skip rope while listening to music. If I did, what
would happen?

>
> You need a suspension with springs AND dampers. Springs don't absorb
> energy, they simply hold it in suspension for a certain period.
> Dampers-"shock absorbers"-convert the resonant energy into, usually,
> heat.
>
> You will wind up with a system with a resonant frequency and a "Q",
> like a tank circuit. You do know about tank circuits, yes?
>
> The resonance has to be either above or below the area of interest,
> say 20 to 20000 Hertz. With some overlap.
>
> The old console builders knew that. Of course, they cheated by
> rolling off early on both ends, because any serious bass response
> would have invited "ground resonance" and the box would have shook
> like an old washing machine with a bowling ball in the drum.
>
> All this aside, you are talking a matter of cents for the springs and
> a couple dollars for the dampers. The expensive bits are the bearing-
> $10 to $100, $200 tops for missile grade-and the motor, similar
> pricing. If you want electronic active motor control you are looking
> at twenty to fifty bucks. The Linn Lingo has about $30 in parts at
> Digikey onesy hobbyist prices. (Design costs? Any good designer could
> have done it in a day, with PCB, for $500.)

[BretLudwig]

Jenn knows very well what would happen: the needle would start skipping
like crazy.

But a suspension, though very beneficial, is no cure-all. Bottom line is
that modern houses are vinyl-playback-unfriendly.

--
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More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 5:00�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> > > > I think the bottom line is there's a lot of people out there that have
> > > > more money than any sense of what it costs to make things.
>
> > > Agreed. �But I like the sound
> > > of:http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Emotion_2?sc=2&category=347
>
> > > and
>
> > >http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Ambient-CMB-Turntable?sc=2&cat....
> > > y=347
>
> > > and
>
> > >http://www.needledoctor.com/Clearaudio-Performance-Turntable-Package?....
> > > &category=347
>
> > > and
>
> > >http://www.needledoctor.com/Rega-P3-24Turntable?sc=2&category=353
>
> > > and even
>
> > >http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject-Turntable-Xpression-Mk-III_2?sc=....
> > > tegory=352
>
> > > for example
>
> > �Ever skip rope in front of one? Ever have someone in the next
> > apartment skip rope while you're listening to one? That can be even
> > worse.
>
> No, I don't usually skip rope while listening to music. �If I did, what
> would happen?

You'd get a good workout.

Boon

[BretLudwig]

Jenn:

>>"
Depends on several factors. But the problem is generally avoided if one
avoids jumping rope in front of one's TT. "<<

Don't live in an apartment or condo, then? Well, good.

I hope you also live a long way from airports, rail yards, elevated
superhighways, and any construction work involving piledrivers or
explosives. And in a house built back in the old days with real timbers
and a heavy floor.

Most people can't say all that and for them a non-suspended TT is just
going to be misery.

--
Message posted using http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
utaudio.com>,
"BretLudwig" > wrote:

> Jenn knows very well what would happen: the needle would start skipping
> like crazy.

Depends on several factors. But the problem is generally avoided if one
avoids jumping rope in front of one's TT.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
utaudio.com>,
"BretLudwig" > wrote:

> Jenn:
>
> >>"
> Depends on several factors. But the problem is generally avoided if one
> avoids jumping rope in front of one's TT. "<<
>
> Don't live in an apartment or condo, then? Well, good.
>
> I hope you also live a long way from airports, rail yards, elevated
> superhighways, and any construction work involving piledrivers or
> explosives. And in a house built back in the old days with real timbers
> and a heavy floor.
>
> Most people can't say all that and for them a non-suspended TT is just
> going to be misery.
>
> --
> Message posted using http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
> More information at http://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html

I've had a non-suspended TT in a house with a very rickety floor and
never had a problem. Seriously. Why would one jump around in front of
your TT anyway?

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 6:26�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> �Jenn knows very well what would happen: the needle would start skipping
> like crazy.

Only if she sets it on a suspended floor. Duh.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Vinylanach > wrote:

> On Jun 10, 6:26?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > ?Jenn knows very well what would happen: the needle would start skipping
> > like crazy.
>
> Only if she sets it on a suspended floor. Duh.
>
> Boon

My TT has rounded "spike" feet, and sets on a heavy Target stand, also
spiked.

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 7:50�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> utaudio.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> �"BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > Jenn:
>
> > >>"
> > Depends on several factors. �But the problem is generally avoided if one
> > avoids jumping rope in front of one's TT. "<<
>
> > �Don't live in an apartment or condo, then? Well, good.
>
> > �I hope you also live a long way from airports, rail yards, elevated
> > superhighways, and any construction work involving piledrivers or
> > explosives. And in a house built back in the old days with real timbers
> > and a heavy floor.
>
> > �Most people can't say all that and for them a non-suspended TT is just
> > going to be misery.
>
> > --
> > Message posted usinghttp://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
> > More information athttp://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html
>
> I've had a non-suspended TT in a house with a very rickety floor and
> never had a problem. �Seriously. �Why would one jump around in front of
> your TT anyway?- Hide quoted text -

I currently have a suspended TT on a suspended floor and have
occasional issues. There are so many holes in these guys' logic...has
anyone ever heard of a friggin' wall shelf? I just had one sent to me
that retails for $1500. Pretty serious little shelf, and I bet you
can skip rope next to it all day long.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> Ever skip rope in front of one? Ever have someone in the
> next apartment skip rope while you're listening to one?
> That can be even worse.

You need to stop hanging out in poorly-constructed fleabags.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Krooborg is blinded by the beam in its own eye.

> You need to stop hanging out in poorly-[sic]constructed fleabags.

Hey there, Mr. ****. Done any arguing with yourself lately? ;-)

One day you'll be locked away for your own protection. When that day
comes, you'll have to reminisce longingly about the beatings you took
from Mistress Jenn. Maybe you should get a tattoo to help you remember
the good old days.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 11, 6:17*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Ever skip rope in front of one? Ever have someone in the
> > next apartment skip rope while you're listening to one?
> > That can be even worse.
>
> You need to stop hanging out in poorly-constructed fleabags.

Finally. A comment from somebody with 'good character'.

Well done, GOIA!

[Clyde Slick]

On 11 Iun, 00:46, Vinylanach > wrote:
> On Jun 10, 7:50�pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > utaudio.com>,
>
> > �"BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > Jenn:
>
> > > >>"
> > > Depends on several factors. �But the problem is generally avoided if one
> > > avoids jumping rope in front of one's TT. "<<
>
> > > �Don't live in an apartment or condo, then? Well, good.
>
> > > �I hope you also live a long way from airports, rail yards, elevated
> > > superhighways, and any construction work involving piledrivers or
> > > explosives. And in a house built back in the old days with real timbers
> > > and a heavy floor.
>
> > > �Most people can't say all that and for them a non-suspended TT is just
> > > going to be misery.
>
> > > --
> > > Message posted usinghttp://www.talkaboutaudio.com/group/rec.audio.opinion/
> > > More information athttp://www.talkaboutaudio.com/faq.html
>
> > I've had a non-suspended TT in a house with a very rickety floor and
> > never had a problem. �Seriously. �Why would one jump around in front of
> > your TT anyway?- Hide quoted text -
>
> I currently have a suspended TT on a suspended floor and have
> occasional issues. There are so many holes in these guys' logic...has
> anyone ever heard of a friggin' wall shelf? Â*I just had one sent to me
> that retails for $1500. Â*Pretty serious little shelf, and I bet you
> can skip rope next to it all day long.
>
> Boon-


I hope the rope costs less.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 10, 9:46*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *Vinylanach > wrote:
> > > On Jun 10, 6:26?pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> > > > ?Jenn knows very well what would happen: the needle would start skipping
> > > > like crazy.
> >
> > > Only if she sets it on a suspended floor. Duh.
> >
> > > Boon
> >
> > My TT has rounded "spike" feet, and sets on a heavy Target stand, also
> > spiked.
>
> On a concrete slab?

Yep.

[UnsteadyKen]

ScottW said:

> I used to have most of my collection on cassette as vinyl & parties
> are a recipe for disaster. I always felt I could record my albums
> on a decent cassette and have much better sound than the prerecorded
> ones offered. They seemed to always saturate the tape and the
> dolby ones (if you could get them) never matched my players eq.
> Then I got a little dbx box and liked that much better than dolby
> and of course no prerecorded options for that existed AFAIK.
> I still have my old Denon player but haven't plugged it in for
> a decade or more. Belts, if it has any, are probably shot.

Yeah, prerecorded tapes were a lottery some great most mediocre.
I never liked using Dolby for recording, a good tape and care with
levels was what i found best.
Never heard dbx, how did that compare?

--
Ken

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 11, 4:26�am, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> The Krooborg is blinded by the beam in its own eye.
>
> > You need to stop hanging out in poorly-[sic]constructed fleabags.
>
> Hey there, Mr. ****. Done any arguing with yourself lately? ;-)
>
> One day you'll be locked away for your own protection. When that day
> comes, you'll have to reminisce longingly about the beatings you took
> from Mistress Jenn. Maybe you should get a tattoo to help you remember
> the good old days.

Arny lives in old, dilapidated house. He speaks from experience.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Vinylanach" > wrote in message


> Arny lives in old, dilapidated house. He speaks from
> experience.

I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective views of my house
(about 2 years ago, before we finished up the new cement work) that can be
found on the web. You can find my street address at www.pcavtech.com .

Let Marc do the same thing, if he's man enough.

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>

>
> I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective views of my house
> (about 2 years ago, before we finished up the new cement work) that can be
> found on the web. You can find my street address atwww.pcavtech.com.
>


"This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "

Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your website.
Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip days.
It is so very obsolete!

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>>
>
>>
>> I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective
>> views of my house (about 2 years ago, before we finished
>> up the new cement work) that can be found on the web.
>> You can find my street address atwww.pcavtech.com.
>>
>
>
> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>
> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your website.
> Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip days.
> It is so very obsolete!

Let's see your house, Art.

Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this game.

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> >> I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective
> >> views of my house (about 2 years ago, before we finished
> >> up the new cement work) that can be found on the web.
> >> You can find my street address atwww.pcavtech.com.
>
> > "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>
> > Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your website.
> > Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip days.
> > It is *so very obsolete!
>
> Let's see your house, Art.
>
> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this game.- Ascunde citatul -
>
> - Afiºare text în citat -

http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg

but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>>
>>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective
>>>> views of my house (about 2 years ago, before we
>>>> finished up the new cement work) that can be found on
>>>> the web. You can find my street address
>>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>>
>>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>>
>>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your website.
>>> Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip days.
>>> It is so very obsolete!
>>
>> Let's see your house, Art.
>>
>> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this game.-
>> Ascunde citatul -
>>
>> - Afiºare text în citat -
>
> http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>
> but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>
> http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg

Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Iun, 20:41, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> >>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice perspective
> >>>> views of my house (about 2 years ago, before we
> >>>> finished up the new cement work) that can be found on
> >>>> the web. You can find my street address
> >>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>
> >>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>
> >>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your website.
> >>> Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip days.
> >>> It is so very obsolete!
>
> >> Let's see your house, Art.
>
> >> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this game.-
> >> Ascunde citatul -
>
> >> - Afiºare text în citat -
>
> >http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>
> > but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>
> >http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg
>
> Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-

With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is wise
to keep most aspects of my private life private.
Too bad you didn't do the same.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>
> With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is wise
> to keep most aspects of my private life private.
> Too bad you didn't do the same.

Not at all. Mr. **** is proud that everybody knows where he lives. That
makes him a big, brave "man".

Never mind that in the past, he's whined about certain posters "stalking"
him, and certain others making "death threats". As of today, revealing
personal info is "manly".

[Clyde Slick]

On 12 Iun, 21:49, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>
> > With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is wise
> > to keep most aspects of my private life private.
> > Too bad you didn't do the same.
>
> Not at all. Mr. **** is proud that everybody knows where he lives. That
> makes him a big, brave "man".
>
> Never mind that in the past, he's whined about certain posters "stalking"
> him, and certain others making "death threats". As of today, revealing
> personal info is "manly".

I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 12 Iun, 20:41, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice
>>>>>> perspective views of my house (about 2 years ago,
>>>>>> before we finished up the new cement work) that can
>>>>>> be found on the web. You can find my street address
>>>>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>>
>>>>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>>
>>>>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your
>>>>> website. Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip
>>>>> days.
>>>>> It is so very obsolete!
>>
>>>> Let's see your house, Art.
>>
>>>> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this
>>>> game.- Ascunde citatul -
>>
>>>> - Afiºare text în citat -
>>
>>> http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>>
>>> but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>>
>>> http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg
>>
>> Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>
> With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is
> wise to keep most aspects of my private life private.

No Art, what you're saying by your cowardly actions is that you are ashamed
of what you do here and don't want to be connected with it in the real
world.

> Too bad you didn't do the same.

That's because I'm not a coward like you, Marc, ****R and the Middiot.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message

> Never mind that in the past, he's whined about certain
> posters "stalking" him, and certain others making "death
> threats".

In fact all those things have happened and are continuing to happen. It
wasn't a whine, it was a statement of fact.

> As of today, revealing personal info is "manly".

No, it has always been that way. Middiot, if you were a man you'd stand
behind your RAO antics in the real world. However, Like Art and ****R, you
need the cover of anonymity because you know that what you are up to is
intrinsically wrong.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message


> I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.

You proved yourself again to be 100% coward, Art.

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 06:37, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Iun, 20:41, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
> >>>> message
>
>
>
> >>>>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> >>>>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice
> >>>>>> perspective views of my house (about 2 years ago,
> >>>>>> before we finished up the new cement work) that can
> >>>>>> be found on the web. You can find my street address
> >>>>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>
> >>>>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>
> >>>>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your
> >>>>> website. Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip
> >>>>> days.
> >>>>> It is so very obsolete!
>
> >>>> Let's see your house, Art.
>
> >>>> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this
> >>>> game.- Ascunde citatul -
>
> >>>> - Afiºare text în citat -
>
> >>>http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>
> >>> but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>
> >>>http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg
>
> >> Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>
> > With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is
> > wise to keep most aspects of my private life private.
>
> No Art, what you're saying by your cowardly actions is that you are ashamed
> of what you do here and don't want to be connected with it in the real
> world.
>
> > Too bad you didn't do the same.
>
> That's because I'm not a coward like you, Marc, ****R and the Middiot.-

You are completley insane.
You relish being stalked.
ACtually, you are very upset with me for criticizing Bob for calling
your pastor
and asking him to call opff the dogs.
Its the very last thing you want.

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 06:40, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.
>
> You proved yourself again to be 100% coward, Art.

nice troll.
go back to aus hifi and argue with the four
people stalking you at your church.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 13 Iun, 06:40, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.
>>
>> You proved yourself again to be 100% coward, Art.
>
> nice troll.

True fact.

> go back to aus hifi and argue with the four people stalking you at your
> church.

Thanks for admitting that you agree that they are stalking me, Art.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 13 Iun, 06:37, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Iun, 20:41, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice
>>>>>>>> perspective views of my house (about 2 years ago,
>>>>>>>> before we finished up the new cement work) that can
>>>>>>>> be found on the web. You can find my street address
>>>>>>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>>
>>>>>>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>>
>>>>>>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your
>>>>>>> website. Looks like it was designed in the buggy
>>>>>>> whip days.
>>>>>>> It is so very obsolete!
>>
>>>>>> Let's see your house, Art.
>>
>>>>>> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this
>>>>>> game.- Ascunde citatul -
>>
>>>>>> - Afiºare text în citat -
>>
>>>>> http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>>
>>>>> but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>>
>>>>> http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg
>>
>>>> Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>>
>>> With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is
>>> wise to keep most aspects of my private life private.
>>
>> No Art, what you're saying by your cowardly actions is
>> that you are ashamed of what you do here and don't want
>> to be connected with it in the real world.
>>
>>> Too bad you didn't do the same.
>>
>> That's because I'm not a coward like you, Marc, ****R
>> and the Middiot.-

> You are completley (sic) insane.

No, I've made my point.

> You relish being stalked.

I find it amusing in an odd way. In your fear and hate Art, you condone the
stalkers and praise their weirdness.

I think you wish you were brave enough to be like them or your Master
Commander, the Middiot.

> ACtually, you are very upset with me for criticizing Bob
> for calling your pastor
> and asking him to call opff the dogs.

Not at all. That only makes sense. Bob's behavior is way over the top. I
wonder if his minders will put some constraints on him. They will find out
because he will tell them.

> Its the very last thing you want.

Wrong again. I would very much prefer to live a quiet life, but these nuts
have imposed themselves on me. However, I try to be a helpful host for them.

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 07:08, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 13 Iun, 06:40, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.
>
> >> You proved yourself again to be 100% coward, Art.
>
> > nice troll.
>
> True fact.
>
> > go back to aus hifi and argue with the four *people stalking you at your
> > church.
>
> Thanks for admitting that you agree that they are stalking me, Art.

I was taking you at your word.
My mistake!!!!

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 07:12, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message


> Wrong again. I would very much prefer to live a quiet life, but these nuts
> have imposed themselves on me. However, I try to be a helpful host for them.-

You purposefully make yourself a quite attractive target

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 13 Iun, 07:08, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Iun, 06:40, "Arny Krueger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
>>>> message
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> I was barely 'man enough' to resist his troll.
>>
>>>> You proved yourself again to be 100% coward, Art.
>>
>>> nice troll.
>>
>> True fact.
>>
>>> go back to aus hifi and argue with the four people
>>> stalking you at your church.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting that you agree that they are
>> stalking me, Art.
>
> I was taking you at your word.

No Art, you were trapped by your own words.

> My mistake!!!!

You make a lot of mistakes like these.

What is your reward for acting like a twit?

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 13 Iun, 07:12, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Wrong again. I would very much prefer to live a quiet
>> life, but these nuts have imposed themselves on me.
>> However, I try to be a helpful host for them.-

> You purposefully make yourself a quite attractive target

How do you know that, Art?

Did God tell you that?

How about the Middiot, did he convince you of that?

Besides, you've just admitted that you willingly allow yourself to be
manipulated by me.

Don't you have something else to do than be my toy?

[BretLudwig]

Pseudonyms

Elsewhere, I got into an argument with a blogger who wants to publish the
real name of a moderately well known pseudonymous Internet pundit. A
couple of years ago, I publicly pointed out that this self-assured
opinion
writer had once been a close associate of a famous crackpot. That
information provided readers some useful perspective in how seriously to
take his complicated views on foreign policy. But I didn't publish his
name because that kind of thing has a "chilling effect" on free speech.

In general, in this era of Watsoning, I am against revealing the
identities of pseudonymous writers, especially ones with day jobs. My
blogroll has a lot of pseudonyms on it, and I don't make much of an
effort
to figure out who is La Griffe du Lion or Audacious Epigone. Five years
ago
I put some effort into figuring out who the War Nerd really was, but then
I
stopped. I knew who clander of Stuff White People Like was, but didn't
tell
anybody until he started giving interviews as Christian Lander.

We're in an era when there's not much you can reveal about your behavior
that can get you into trouble, but there's plenty of danger in speaking
your mind honestly.

Indeed, I advise anyone thinking of becoming a regular opinionator to
strongly consider picking a pseudonym and sticking with it. If I had to
do
it again, I would have picked a pen name, although that raises its own
problems, such as depositing checks from editors made out to your
pseudonym. And there is the fear that somebody else would horn in on your
work -- that's why, when Vladimir Nabokov was considering publishing
Lolita anonymously, he created the anagrammatic character "Vivian
Darkbloom" to prove his authorship.

My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer
By Steve Sailer on 6/12/2008 Cited by 33 comments

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[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Paranoa™Borg sprays RAO with a virulent stream of Kroologic.

> > Never mind that in the past, he's whined about certain
> > posters "stalking" him, and certain others making "death
> > threats".
>
> In fact all those things have happened and are continuing to happen. It
> wasn't a whine, it was a statement of fact.

Yes, of course. Just because they're not really out to get you doesn't
mean you can't be paranoid anyway.

> > As of today, revealing personal info is "manly".
>
> No, it has always been that way. [My supreme master], if you were a man you'd stand
> behind your RAO antics in the real world. However, Like Art and ****R, you
> need the cover of anonymity because you know that what you are up to is
> intrinsically wrong.

Did you say wrong? Is there anything wrong with you, Turdbucket?

;-)

;-) ;-) ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 13, 5:39*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> messagenews:pek3545kgjuiabq2ec4bd2ercs8ulndjj0@4ax .com
>
> > Never mind that in the past, he's whined about certain
> > posters "stalking" him, and certain others making "death
> > threats".
>
> In fact all those things have happened and are continuing to happen. It
> wasn't a whine, it was a statement of fact.

It must be your "intrinsic" popularity, GOIA.

> > As of today, revealing personal info is "manly".
>
> No, it has always been that way. Middiot, if you were a man you'd stand
> behind your RAO antics in the real world. However, Like Art and ****R, you
> need the cover of anonymity because you know that what you are up to is
> intrinsically wrong.

"Wrong"? LMAO!

I think GOIA wants to stalk me in a "manly" fashion.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 13, 5:37*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Iun, 20:41, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> On 12 Iun, 18:28, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in
> >>>> message
>
>
>
> >>>>> On 12 Iun, 18:05, "Arny Krueger" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Vinylanach" > wrote in message
>
> >>>>>> I invite one and all to check out the nice
> >>>>>> perspective views of my house (about 2 years ago,
> >>>>>> before we finished up the new cement work) that can
> >>>>>> be found on the web. You can find my street address
> >>>>>> atwww.pcavtech.com.
>
> >>>>> "This Page Last Revised 11/06/2005 (abk) "
>
> >>>>> Not only is your house dilapidated, so is your
> >>>>> website. Looks like it was designed in the buggy whip
> >>>>> days.
> >>>>> It is so very obsolete!
>
> >>>> Let's see your house, Art.
>
> >>>> Oh, I forgot - you're not man enough to play this
> >>>> game.- Ascunde citatul -
>
> >>>> - Afiºare text în citat -
>
> >>>http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/romania/buppal.jpg
>
> >>> but soon I will be moving to my summer home in Bran
>
> >>>http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5216563,00.jpg
>
> >> Obviously, you're not man enough, Art.-
>
> > With the likes of Bob Morein running around here, it is
> > wise to keep most aspects of my private life private.
>
> No Art, what you're saying by your cowardly actions is that you are ashamed
> of what you do here and don't want to be connected with it in the real
> world.

Is that what he said?

Or is that what "Francis" told you he said? ;-)

> > Too bad you didn't do the same.
>
> That's because I'm not a coward like you, Marc, ****R and the Middiot.

No. you're very "manly", GOIA.

There, there, you'll be fine.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 13, 6:53*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> How do you know that, Art?

In the same way that you claim to know what Clyde was actually saying,
about three posts up, GOIA.

> Did God tell you that?

Is "God" named "Francis"?

> How about my other dom, did he convince you of that?

Is his name "Francis"?

> Besides, you've just admitted that you willingly allow yourself to be
> manipulated by me.
>
> Don't you have something else to do than be my toy?

That's cool. You'll just continue to be my whipping boy. I'd say
that's because you like getting spanked. ;-)

[BretLudwig]

>>"On 13 Iun, 08:22, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> Pseudonyms
>
> Elsewhere, I got into an argument with a blogger who wants to publish
the
> real name of a moderately well known pseudonymous Internet pundit. A
> couple of years ago, I publicly pointed out that this self-assured
> opinion
> writer had once been a close associate of a famous crackpot.

Revilo Oliver!!!"<<

Nope, Revilo Pendleton Oliver was a real name.

He's probably taking about "Spengler" of the Asia Times, who was likely
an associate of Lyndon La Rouche.

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[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 07:51, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message


>
> What is your reward for acting like a twit?

There you go again, losing track
of who you are talking to and making another spelling error.
Stop calling Jenn names.

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 07:53, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 13 Iun, 07:12, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >> Wrong again. I would very much prefer to live a quiet
> >> life, but these nuts have imposed themselves on me.
> >> However, I try to be a helpful host for them.-
> > You purposefully make yourself a quite attractive target
>
> How do you know that, Art?
>
> Did God tell you that?

LOL!!!!!
You talk to him, you ask him what he said to me


> Don't you have something else to do than be my toy?

I am just a mere private in your
little toy army of accusers and attackers.
Have fun doing battle today!

[Clyde Slick]

On 13 Iun, 08:22, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> Pseudonyms
>
> Elsewhere, I got into an argument with a blogger who wants to publish the
> real name of a moderately well known pseudonymous Internet pundit. A
> couple of years ago, I publicly pointed out that this self-assured
> opinion
> writer had once been a close associate of a famous crackpot.

Revilo Oliver!!!

[UnsteadyKen]

ScottW said:

> Only a blip providing a glimpse of what could have been.

How does dbx cope with ticks and pops does it have any effect on
them. I'm thinking of how tape blips could upset Dolby.

I wonder how vinyl would have developed if digital had not come
along. Would we all be playing mini micromicrogrove records on our
pocket Finial laser walktables?

--
Ken

[UnsteadyKen]

ScottW said:

> LoL. Maybe some further efforts like this.
>
> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9687999-1.html

Nice the valve amps are well hidden.

I only ever saw 1 in car record player a top slot loading thing
mounted in a floppy rubber band suspension under the dashboard, it
rocked backwards and forwards several inches on gear changes. Didn't
notice how it sounded just amazed that it worked.

> Anyway, digital was already well along before music adopted it.
> If it wasn't CD, then I think DAT would have become the std.
> Anyway, digital was already well along before music adopted it.
> If it wasn't CD, then I think DAT would have become the std.

Hmmm reel to reel DAT, now theres a thought.
--
Ken

[Arny Krueger]

"UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message
m
> ScottW said:
>
>> Only a blip providing a glimpse of what could have
>> been.

> How does dbx cope with ticks and pops does it have any
> effect on them.

They were a problem.

> I'm thinking of how tape blips could upset Dolby.

Exactly.

> I wonder how vinyl would have developed if digital had
> not come along.

The technology had pretty well topped out.

> Would we all be playing mini
> micromicrogrove records on our pocket Finial laser
> walktables?

Digital audio had been showing its promise since the late 60s. In 1970 I
worked with a digital capture and playback device that worked with 4
channels sampled at 50 KHz with 16 bit resolution. One little problem - the
price tag which was in the $100,000's.

[UnsteadyKen]

Arny Krueger said:

> Digital audio had been showing its promise since the late 60s. In 1970 I
> worked with a digital capture and playback device that worked with 4
> channels sampled at 50 KHz with 16 bit resolution. One little problem - the
> price tag which was in the $100,000's.

That is early, what was the storeage medium, tape? Good specs as
well, it's a shame that CD settled for a lower sampling rate, it
would have left a bit of headroom to keep the filters well away from
the top of the audio band.What was the purpose and who was paying,
Uncle Sam?

--
Ken

[Arny Krueger]

"UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger said:
>
>> Digital audio had been showing its promise since the
>> late 60s. In 1970 I worked with a digital capture and
>> playback device that worked with 4 channels sampled at
>> 50 KHz with 16 bit resolution. One little problem - the
>> price tag which was in the $100,000's.
>
> That is early, what was the storeage medium, tape?

Computer disks.

> Good specs as well, it's a shame that CD settled for a lower
> sampling rate, it would have left a bit of headroom to
> keep the filters well away from the top of the audio
> band.

No, the 22 KHz is plenty enough high end. The audio band actually ends
around 16 KHz.

>What was the purpose

Hybrid computer

> and who was paying, Uncle Sam?

Yes, I think NSF money was involved.

BTW, love the NSF - they bought two of my kids PhDs.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 13, 9:11*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "UnsteadyKen" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Arny Krueger *said:
>
> >> Digital audio had been showing its promise since the
> >> late 60s. In 1970 I worked with a digital capture and
> >> playback device that worked with 4 channels sampled at
> >> 50 KHz with 16 bit resolution. *One little problem - the
> >> price tag which was in the $100,000's.
>
> > That is early, what was the storeage medium, tape?
>
> Computer disks.
>
> > Good *specs as well, it's a shame that CD settled for a lower
> > sampling rate, it would have left a bit of headroom to
> > keep the filters well away from the top of the audio
> > band.
>
> No, the 22 KHz is plenty enough high end. The audio band actually ends
> around 16 KHz.
>
> >What was the purpose
>
> Hybrid computer
>
> > and who was paying, Uncle Sam?
>
> Yes, I think NSF money was involved.
>
> BTW, love the NSF - they bought two of my kids PhDs.

You should hop on the F-22 bandwagon with 2pid. It might fund a
personality for you.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> You should hop on the F-22 bandwagon with 2pid. It might
> fund a personality for you.

Why would a sane person need a personality, given how well you cliam you can
make do without one?

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

IKYABWAIBorg is back in the saddle.

> > You should hop on the F-22 bandwagon with 2pid. It might
> > fund a personality for you.
>
> Why would a sane person need a personality, given how well you cliam[sic] you can
> make do without one?

Arnii, serious question: When you stammer out a lame IKYABWAI like this one,
do you drool on your shirt?

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message

> My Lord and Master is back in the saddle and I must please him:

>>> You should hop on the F-22 bandwagon with 2pid. It might
>>> fund a personality for you.

>> Why would a sane person need a personality, given how
>> well you claim you can make do without one?

> My Lord and Master, a serious question: Aren't you proud of me for
> responding to your post the next minute after you made it, even though it
> is after 10 pm on Saturday night?

Not really Middiot. It would seem that you lack what many would call "a
life". I just came home from a great Father's day party that was given for
me by my daughter. But of course given your preferences, having
biologically-related children is an impossibility.

[Clyde Slick]

On 14 Iun, 22:39, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> messagenews:iev854ln93k0lafaodlbg7mh1uvjlvev0b@4ax .com
>
> > My Lord and Master is back in the saddle and I must please him:
> >>> You should hop on the F-22 bandwagon with 2pid. It might
> >>> fund a personality for you.
> >> Why would a sane person need a personality, given how
> >> well you claim you can make do without one?
> > My Lord and Master, a serious question: Aren't you proud of me for
> > responding to your post the next minute after you made it, even though it
> > is after 10 pm on Saturday night?
>
> Not really Middiot. It would seem that you lack what many would call "a
> life". *I just came home from a *great Father's day party that was given for
> me by my daughter. But of course given your preferences, having
> biologically-related children is an impossibility.

God did it, why can't George?
He can have a baby Jesus too.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 15, 3:36*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > 3. That I have "cliamed" that I "make do without one". Most sane
> > people could easily see that I have never "cliamed" that, and further,
> > that I have a lot of personality.
>
> Eat your vegetables, grunt.

Answer: You will never tell me what to eat.

Your just like Jenn.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > > 3. That I have "cliamed" that I "make do without one". Most sane
> > > people could easily see that I have never "cliamed" that, and further,
> > > that I have a lot of personality.
> >
> > Eat your vegetables, grunt.
>
> Answer: You will never tell me what to eat.
> Your just like Jenn.

We have asparagus and baby carrots -- elitist vegetables. That's tempting,
isn't it?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 15, 8:32*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > > > 3. That I have "cliamed" that I "make do without one". Most sane
> > > > people could easily see that I have never "cliamed" that, and further,
> > > > that I have a lot of personality.
>
> > > Eat your vegetables, grunt.
>
> > Answer: You will never tell me what to eat.
> > Your just like Jenn.
>
> We have asparagus and baby carrots -- elitist vegetables. That's tempting,
> isn't it?

LoL No. Asparagus makes you're pee smell funny and killing baby
carrot's is against Gods Law.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message



> I've wet myself in public, again:

Agreed.

> I demonstrate several sanity-related problems here, My Master and
> Commander:

> 1. My obvious assumption that I am sane. That's clearly not the case.

> 2. My assumption that sane people do not "need a personality", which is
> an insane position to have.

> 3. The fact that I have "cliamed" that I "make do without one".

Agreed. I'm glad that you finally see the error of your ways, ****R.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 12:49*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > GOIA, you've wet myself in public, again:
>
> Agreed. I want to make mad, passionate love to you, Shhhh!

Creepy.

> I'm glad that my sexual desires for you are out in the open, ****R.

I'm not interested, GOIA, although anal sex seems a natural
progression for you "given" that your head is always up your ass.

This is very, very weak, even "given" that we're talking about you,
GOIA.

BTW, did you just figure out that you can change quoted text? LOL!

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> BTW, did you fix my pork and beans dinner yet?

Oh, hush. You know beans are anathema to the Krooborg.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
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> On Jun 16, 12:49 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>> wrote in
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>>
>>> GOIA, you've wet myself in public, again:
>>
>> Agreed. I want to make mad, passionate love to you,
>> Shhhh!
>
> Creepy.
>
>> I'm glad that my sexual desires for you are out in the
>> open, ****R.
>
> I'm not interested, GOIA, although anal sex seems a
> natural
> progression for you "given" that your head is always up
> your ass.
>
> This is very, very weak, even "given" that we're talking
> about you,
> GOIA.
>
> BTW, did you just figure out that you can change quoted
> text? LOL!

No.

BTW ****R, did you just figure out that I was doing that? Seems like! ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 2:04*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 12:49 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> >> wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> GOIA, you've wet myself in public, again:
>
> >> Agreed. I want to make mad, passionate love to you,
> >> Shhhh!
>
> > Creepy.
>
> >> I'm glad that my sexual desires for you are out in the
> >> open, ****R.
>
> > I'm not interested, GOIA, although anal sex seems a
> > natural
> > progression for you "given" that your head is always up
> > your ass.
>
> > This is very, very weak, even "given" that we're talking
> > about you,
> > GOIA.
>
> > BTW, did you just figure out that you can change quoted
> > text? LOL!
>
> No.
>
> BTW ****R, did you just figure out that I was doing that? *Seems like! ;-)-

I suppose that is equivalent to all of those artillery positions that
it must have "seemed like" you were on when you were five miles away.
LOL!

I suggest you do a google search on "peckerhead" to find your
answer. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 1:54*pm, George M. Middius >
wrote:
> Shhhh! said:
>
> > BTW, did you fix my pork and beans dinner yet?
>
> Oh, hush. You know pork and bean enemas are sexually exciting to the Krooborg.

GOIA is quite impressed with himself that this past week or so he
found he can change quoted text.

He's sinking deeper into his insanity.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 16, 3:57*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
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> > On Jun 16, 2:04 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> >> wrote in
> >>
> >>> BTW, did you just figure out that you can change quoted
> >>> text? LOL!
> >> No.
> >> BTW ****R, did you just figure out that I was doing
> >> that? Seems like! ;-)-
> > I suppose that is equivalent to all of those artillery
> > positions that *it must have "seemed like" you were on when you were five
> > miles away.
>
> 5 miles away? *Sometimes I wished they were that far away. It's hard to
> sleep when you are just down the road from a serious artillary piece that is
> doing its thing.

Ah, so now we're "just down the road.

As I said, GOIA, your experience is a number less than one but greater
than -1: Zero.

So why would you make a "cliam" when you admit now that you have no
experience?

> BTW at Hohenfels you had your choice - be closer to the firing point or be
> closer to the target zone. Given the range of some of the equipment, the
> difference could be a goodly drive. *I preferred the target zone - watching
> things just disappear in a puff of smoke can be pretty cool.

I was a 13F when I was enlisted. As you like to say, "been there, done
that 1,000's of times".