"U.S. record stores testing vinyl revival"

[Jenn[_2_]]

From CBC News:

http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Jun 10, 2:56*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > From CBC News:
> >
> > http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>
> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to insert 2 totally
> revealing paragraphs of
> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
> But hey, it was well written.
>
> ScottW

Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not both, right?

[[email protected]]

The bottom line is there is not enough market for new vinyl at
current prices to keep any sustained mainstream retailer interest. An
occasional offering on a novelty basis is another matter, however.

There is also the matter of turntables being priced well outside the
mass market, at least any decent ones. The Linn Sondek is probably the
least expensive _to build_ respectable turntable there is today. And
it costs the price of a used car nearly.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article
> >,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
>> > wrote:
>>> From CBC News:
>>>
>>> http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>>
>> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
>> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
>> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.

Namely:

Ignorant statement #1:
"Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place them very close
together as a complete package that sounds nearly identical to continuous
sound to many people."

Ignorant statement #2:

"Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which produces a truer
sound..."

The idiot's self-contradiction:

"...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being recorded and mixed
digitally but delivered in analog."

Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with her seeing nary a
problem.

>> But hey, it was well written.

Some people can write beautifully, some people understand science well.
There's a reason why the science classes for the arts curriculum has
traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.

> Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> both, right?

That seems to be the nature of the human animal.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> The bottom line is there is not enough market for new vinyl at
> current prices to keep any sustained mainstream retailer interest. An
> occasional offering on a novelty basis is another matter, however.
>
> There is also the matter of turntables being priced well outside the
> mass market, at least any decent ones. The Linn Sondek is probably the
> least expensive _to build_ respectable turntable there is today. And
> it costs the price of a used car nearly.

I think that there are several TTs priced lower than the Linn that are
"respectable".

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
> >> > wrote:
> >>> From CBC News:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
> >>
> >> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
> >> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
> >> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
>
> Namely:
>
> Ignorant statement #1:
> "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place them very close
> together as a complete package that sounds nearly identical to continuous
> sound to many people."
>
> Ignorant statement #2:
>
> "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which produces a truer
> sound..."
>
> The idiot's self-contradiction:
>
> "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being recorded and mixed
> digitally but delivered in analog."
>
> Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with her seeing nary a
> problem.

You're an idiot. I didn't comment at all upon posting. It was put out
there for possible discussion.

>
> >> But hey, it was well written.
>
> Some people can write beautifully, some people understand science well.
> There's a reason why the science classes for the arts curriculum has
> traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.
>
> > Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> > both, right?
>
> That seems to be the nature of the human animal.

Really? lol

[Bill[_16_]]

In article <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F58217.15473510062008
@news.la.sbcglobal.net>, says...

> I think that there are several TTs priced lower than the Linn that are
> "respectable".

Absolutely. The Pro-jects come to mind, as well as some offerings from
Rega (among others).

--
Bill

[Harry Lavo]

Not to mention covers of Stereophile and Sound and Vision within last month.


"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> From CBC News:
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >,
>>> ScottW > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> From CBC News:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>>>>
>>>> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
>>>> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
>>>> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
>>
>> Namely:
>>
>> Ignorant statement #1:
>> "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place
>> them very close together as a complete package that
>> sounds nearly identical to continuous sound to many
>> people."
>>
>> Ignorant statement #2:
>>
>> "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which
>> produces a truer sound..."
>>
>> The idiot's self-contradiction:
>>
>> "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being
>> recorded and mixed digitally but delivered in analog."

>> Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with
>> her seeing nary a problem.

> You're an idiot.

Interesting comment. Quite charitable of you, Jenn.

> I didn't comment at all upon posting.

That's what I said Jenn. It all slipped by you.

> It was put out there for possible discussion.

You obviously lacked what it took to discuss your own quote, Jenn.

>>>> But hey, it was well written.

>> Some people can write beautifully, some people
>> understand science well. There's a reason why the
>> science classes for the arts curriculum has
>> traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.

>>> Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
>>> both, right?

>> That seems to be the nature of the human animal.

> Really? lol

I see that you can redicule far better than you can field relevant comments,
Jenn. How Middiot-like of you!

[[email protected]]

> >>>http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>
> >> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
> >> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
> >> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
>
> Namely:
>
> Ignorant statement #1:
> "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place them very close
> together as a complete package that sounds nearly identical to continuous
> sound to many people."
>
> Ignorant statement #2:
>
> "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which produces a truer
> sound..."
>
> The idiot's self-contradiction:
>
> "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being recorded and mixed
> digitally but delivered in analog."
>
> Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with her seeing nary a
> problem.
>
> >> But hey, it was well written.
>
> Some people can write beautifully, some people understand science well.
> There's a reason why the science classes for the arts curriculum has
> traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.
>
> > Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> > both, right?
>
> That seems to be the nature of the human animal.

I think that's a misinterpretation of the Sailerian view. You have
been reading Bret's posts, I think, but that's excessive.

There are scientists and there are science writers. Science writers
are people who combine a fair intuitive grasp of physical and other
natural phenomena and the technologies that use them with a fair
ability to distill the essence of those ideas for some popular level
of comprehension.

I agree the wiriter of this piece got it wrong, but that is not a
necessary consequence of "the human animal". It is poor technical
knowledge or aptitude combined with sloppy fact checking.

However it is a fact, for different reasons, that _people like
vinyl_. It's a human friendly storage system for analog signal
content. People enjoy the vinyl experience, just as some enjoy
building speakers and amplifiers themselves when perfectly good ones
may be bought. Some people build cars and motorcycles and airplanes
too, although all those things are purchaseable cheaper off the rack.

Refusal to acknowledge that fact is just as obtuse as the writer's
inaccurate defense of vinyl superiority, if not even more so. Because
that reporter probably put fifteen minutes into that piece whereas
thinking and writing about these things is all you do, Arny. (Which is
also true of Bret.)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> In article
> >>> >,
> >>> ScottW > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> From CBC News:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
> >>>>
> >>>> That's nice. Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
> >>>> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
> >>>> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
> >>
> >> Namely:
> >>
> >> Ignorant statement #1:
> >> "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place
> >> them very close together as a complete package that
> >> sounds nearly identical to continuous sound to many
> >> people."
> >>
> >> Ignorant statement #2:
> >>
> >> "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which
> >> produces a truer sound..."
> >>
> >> The idiot's self-contradiction:
> >>
> >> "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being
> >> recorded and mixed digitally but delivered in analog."
>
> >> Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with
> >> her seeing nary a problem.
>
> > You're an idiot.
>
> Interesting comment. Quite charitable of you, Jenn.

Indeed it is.

>
> > I didn't comment at all upon posting.
>
> That's what I said Jenn. It all slipped by you.

You believe that not commenting = "slipping by"? Huh.

>
> > It was put out there for possible discussion.
>
> You obviously lacked what it took to discuss your own quote, Jenn.

No, it was simply put out there without commentary. People who are more
interested in discussion than they are interested in trolling understand
that.

>
> >>>> But hey, it was well written.
>
> >> Some people can write beautifully, some people
> >> understand science well. There's a reason why the
> >> science classes for the arts curriculum has
> >> traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.
>
> >>> Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> >>> both, right?
>
> >> That seems to be the nature of the human animal.
>
> > Really? lol
>
> I see that you can redicule far better than you can field relevant comments,
> Jenn. How Middiot-like of you!

There were no relevant comments from you.

[[email protected]]

On Jun 10, 5:50 pm, Bill > wrote:
> In article <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F58217.15473510062008
> @news.la.sbcglobal.net>, says...
>
> > I think that there are several TTs priced lower than the Linn that are
> > "respectable".
>
> Absolutely. The Pro-jects come to mind, as well as some offerings from
> Rega (among others).

In modern houses, the changers pulled from old consoles are as good
or better than suspensionless tables.

You need suspension, preferably three point.

AR got it right which is why Ivor copied them. As Jobs and Jef Raskin
copied Xerox PARC and Symbolics: theirs worked. The economics were
reversed. AR underpriced and underbuilt their tables, whereas Xerox
and Symbolics overbuilt and grossly overpriced theirs. Ivor and Jobs
"rightpriced" and "rightbuilt" in a market sense, though surely the
LP12 could be cloned for a third or less Linn's MSRP. And with a
better bearing.

[Bill[_16_]]

In article >,
says...

> Not to mention covers of Stereophile and Sound and Vision within last month.

Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was surprised to see quite
a bit of vinyl coverage.

--
Bill

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
wrote:

> On Jun 10, 5:50 pm, Bill > wrote:
> > In article <jennconductsREMOVETHIS-F58217.15473510062008
> > @news.la.sbcglobal.net>, says...
> >
> > > I think that there are several TTs priced lower than the Linn that are
> > > "respectable".
> >
> > Absolutely. The Pro-jects come to mind, as well as some offerings from
> > Rega (among others).
>
> In modern houses, the changers pulled from old consoles are as good
> or better than suspensionless tables.

lol

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 10, 5:11*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Jun 10, 2:56*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > From CBC News:
>
> >http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>
> *That's nice. *Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to insert 2 totally
> revealing paragraphs of
> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.

Youy should apply to Stereophile as a reviewer.

> But hey, it was well written.

You're obviously still upset that you weren't singled out as a good
writer.

Here, 2pid. I can't stand to see your mental anguish. I want to give
you a writer's award:

2pid: "Most Irrelevant OT Posting Volume on RAO"

LoL

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 10, 6:03*pm, Bill > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
> > Not to mention covers of Stereophile and Sound and Vision within last month.
>
> Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was surprised to see quite
> a bit of vinyl coverage.

I wonder if Nousaine or Ferstler will bitch about it.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 10, 5:49*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > ScottW > wrote:
>
> > >> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>> From CBC News:
>
> > >>>http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>
> > >> *That's nice. *Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
> > >> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
> > >> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
>
> > Namely:
>
> > Ignorant statement #1:
> > "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place them very close
> > together as a complete package that sounds nearly identical to continuous
> > sound to many people."
>
> > Ignorant statement #2:
>
> > "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which produces a truer
> > sound..."
>
> > The idiot's self-contradiction:
>
> > "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being recorded and mixed
> > digitally but delivered in analog."
>
> > Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with her seeing nary a
> > problem.
>
> You're an idiot. *I didn't comment at all upon posting. *It was put out
> there for possible discussion.
>
>
>
> > >> But hey, it was well written.
>
> > Some people can write beautifully, some people understand science well.
> > There's a reason why the science classes for the arts curriculum has
> > traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.
>
> > > Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> > > both, right?
>
> > That seems to be the nature of the human animal.
>
> Really? *

GOIA and 2pid will never admit that anybody posted something that was
"more accurate" or "better-written" than what they post.

In another thread, 2pid has "rediculed" me for not answering a
question that I had answered immediately.

I think 2pid and GOIA simply have brains that were not wired properly
at the factory. They are both, unfortunately, long out of warranty.

[[email protected]]

>
> > > > I think that there are several TTs priced lower than the Linn that are
> > > > "respectable".
>
> > > Absolutely. The Pro-jects come to mind, as well as some offerings from
> > > Rega (among others).
>
> > In modern houses, the changers pulled from old consoles are as good
> > or better than suspensionless tables.
>
> lol

They might not even be that good.

The better old changers actually make a tolerable playback system if
one cleans and repacks the bearing with a good heavy grease, removes
the changer mechanism and replaces the drop spindle with a good piece
of drill rod. Remove and discard the stack clamp and the stock
tonearm and "pickup" and find a decent old medium mass broadcast arm,
or any modern tonearm.

If the platter isn't heavy enough, it can be lead filled or a round
steel plate can be made and put on top.

The result isn't as good as a Sondek or Merrill modified AR by any
means but will get you listening to records for a hundred bucks.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 10, 5:52*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> >>> In article
> >>> >,
> >>> ScottW > wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 10, 2:56 pm, Jenn
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> From CBC News:
>
> >>>>>http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/06/10/vinyl-revival.html
>
> >>>> *That's nice. *Too bad the unnamed AP moron had to
> >>>> insert 2 totally revealing paragraphs of
> >>>> his personal knowledge, or lack thereof.
>
> >> Namely:
>
> >> Ignorant statement #1:
> >> "Digital recordings capture samples of sound and place
> >> them very close together as a complete package that
> >> sounds nearly identical to continuous sound to many
> >> people."
>
> >> Ignorant statement #2:
>
> >> "Analog recordings on most LPs are continuous, which
> >> produces a truer sound..."
>
> >> The idiot's self-contradiction:
>
> >> "...though paradoxically, some new LP releases are being
> >> recorded and mixed digitally but delivered in analog."
> >> Note that all of this weirdness slipped by Jenn, with
> >> her seeing nary a problem.
> > You're an idiot.
>
> Interesting comment. Quite charitable of you, Jenn.
>
> > I didn't comment at all upon posting.
>
> That's what I said Jenn. It all slipped by you.
>
> > It was put out there for possible discussion.
>
> You obviously lacked what it took to discuss your own quote, Jenn.
>
> >>>> But hey, it was well written.
> >> Some people can write beautifully, some people
> >> understand science well. There's a reason why the
> >> science classes for the arts curriculum has
> >> traditionally been dumbed-down, if they even existed.
> >>> Yeah, we can only have accuracy or good writing, not
> >>> both, right?
> >> That seems to be the nature of the human animal.
> > Really? *lol
>
> I see that you can redicule far better than you can field relevant comments,
> Jenn. How Middiot-like of you!

Here is GOIA's "good character" on display for all to see.

And GOIA wonders why people think that he's an insane asshole. LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> However it is a fact, for different reasons, that _people
> like vinyl_. It's a human friendly storage system for
> analog signal content.

I lived with vinyl for over 35 years. I found it to be anything but
human-friendly. There was the LP collection that was destroyed by mold and
humidity in Miami. There was the one that was destroyed by dust storms in El
Paso.

> People enjoy the vinyl
> experience, just as some enjoy building speakers and
> amplifiers themselves when perfectly good ones may be
> bought.

Basically sentimentality.

> Some people build cars and motorcycles and
> airplanes too, although all those things are purchasable
> cheaper off the rack.

But unless they are some great shakes as engineers and constructors, they
spare us claims that they are better than modern technology. Road courses
and stop watches settle that.

> Refusal to acknowledge that fact is just as obtuse as the
> writer's inaccurate defense of vinyl superiority, if not
> even more so.

Not at all. The so called facts are representative of only a tiny fraction
of all music lovers, as little as 0.3% using the statistics that the writer
provided. The technical errors related to 100% of every LP record and CD
ever made.

> Because that reporter probably put fifteen
> minutes into that piece whereas thinking and writing
> about these things is all you do, Arny.

Delusions of omniscience noted. You have no idea how much time I put into
these posts. In fact it is only a few minutes or less per post.

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill" > wrote in message
t
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> Not to mention covers of Stereophile and Sound and
>> Vision within last month.
>
> Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was
> surprised to see quite a bit of vinyl coverage.

The cover was symptomatic of the fact that they've run off a large
percentage of their former knowledgeable staff. I hear that the publisher is
quite desperate.

[[email protected]]

>
> I lived with vinyl for over 35 years. I found it to be anything but
> human-friendly. There was the LP collection that was destroyed by mold and
> humidity in Miami. There was the one that was destroyed by dust storms in El
> Paso.
>

Mold actually ate the vinyl?
Or just the covers?

> > People enjoy the vinyl
> > experience, just as some enjoy building speakers and
> > amplifiers themselves when perfectly good ones may be
> > bought.
>
> Basically sentimentality.
>
> > Some people build cars and motorcycles and
> > airplanes too, although all those things are purchasable
> > cheaper off the rack.
>
> But unless they are some great shakes as engineers and constructors, they
> spare us claims that they are better than modern technology. Road courses
> and stop watches settle that.

Vintage road racing is the most popular kind. And on track days Cobra
kit cars trounce anything with more modern tech in most cases.

>
> > Refusal to acknowledge that fact is just as obtuse as the
> > writer's inaccurate defense of vinyl superiority, if not
> > even more so.
>
> Not at all. The so called facts are representative of only a tiny fraction
> of all music lovers, as little as 0.3% using the statistics that the writer
> provided. The technical errors related to 100% of every LP record and CD
> ever made.

It isn't true. Vinyl resellers are doing very well in every city of
any substantial population I know of. 75% of audio DIY is tubes too.

>
> > Because that reporter probably put fifteen
> > minutes into that piece whereas thinking and writing
> > about these things is all you do, Arny.
>
> Delusions of omniscience noted. You have no idea how much time I put into
> these posts. In fact it is only a few minutes or less per post.

Yes but given your volume of posting it's most of your day.

[[email protected]]

>
> > Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was
> > surprised to see quite a bit of vinyl coverage.
>
> The cover was symptomatic of the fact that they've run off a large
> percentage of their former knowledgeable staff. I hear that the publisher is
> quite desperate.


Yet they still haven't hired Arny. Hmmmmmm.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jun 10, 7:16*pm, wrote:
> > > Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was
> > > surprised to see quite a bit of vinyl coverage.
>
> > The cover was symptomatic of the fact that they've run off a large
> > percentage of their former knowledgeable staff. I hear that the publisher is
> > quite desperate.
>
> *Yet they still haven't hired Arny. Hmmmmmm.

Nobody is *that* desperate.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

> > I see that you can redicule[sic] far better than you can field relevant comments,

> Here is GOIA's "good character" on display for all to see.
> And GOIA wonders why people think that he's an insane asshole. LOL!

One reason they might think that is the Beast's inability to admit
errors such as being caught arguing with himself.

Arnii's soul is in hock to Mistress Jenn. Let's hope she doesn't punish
him more than he can stand.

[BretLudwig]

>>"
The new LP-12 is nearly $20,000.

Boon"<<

The price must have quadrupled or quintupled in the last five or so
years?? Well, if so, I'm less than shocked. No limit to audiophile
gullibility.

I think they were in the $3000 bracket maybe a decade ago or less. And
they were overpriced at that.

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[BretLudwig]

Arny Krueger

<<snip>>
More options Jun 10, 9:09 pm
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
From: "Arny Krueger" >
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:09:31 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 10 2008 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: "U.S. record stores testing vinyl




Writing isn't my best skill by far."<<


Now there is a true statement. Still, Arny, we like having you here.
You're a good bad example.


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[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 3:44�pm, wrote:
> �The bottom line is there is not enough market for new vinyl at
> current prices to keep any sustained mainstream retailer interest. An
> occasional offering on a novelty basis is another matter, however.
>
> �There is also the matter of turntables being priced well outside the
> mass market, at least any decent ones. The Linn Sondek is probably the
> least expensive _to build_ respectable turntable there is today. And
> it costs the price of a used car nearly.

The new LP-12 is nearly $20,000.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

>> I lived with vinyl for over 35 years. I found it to be
>> anything but human-friendly. There was the LP collection
>> that was destroyed by mold and humidity in Miami. There
>> was the one that was destroyed by dust storms in El Paso.

> Mold actually ate the vinyl?

Contaminated the grooves in ways that repeated washing could not cure.

> Or just the covers?

Those, too.

>>> People enjoy the vinyl
>>> experience, just as some enjoy building speakers and
>>> amplifiers themselves when perfectly good ones may be
>>> bought.
>>
>> Basically sentimentality.
>>
>>> Some people build cars and motorcycles and
>>> airplanes too, although all those things are purchasable
>>> cheaper off the rack.
>>
>> But unless they are some great shakes as engineers and
>> constructors, they spare us claims that they are better
>> than modern technology. Road courses and stop watches
>> settle that.

> Vintage road racing is the most popular kind. And on
> track days Cobra kit cars trounce anything with more
> modern tech in most cases.

Surely you jest.

>>> Refusal to acknowledge that fact is just as obtuse as
>>> the writer's inaccurate defense of vinyl superiority,
>>> if not even more so.

>> Not at all. The so called facts are representative of
>> only a tiny fraction of all music lovers, as little as
>> 0.3% using the statistics that the writer provided. The
>> technical errors related to 100% of every LP record and
>> CD ever made.

> It isn't true.

So you're calling the RIAA liars?

> Vinyl resellers are doing very well in
> every city of any substantial population I know of.

Speaks to your lack of omniscience.

> 75% of audio DIY is tubes too.

You're just making these numbers up.

>>
>>> Because that reporter probably put fifteen
>>> minutes into that piece whereas thinking and writing
>>> about these things is all you do, Arny.

>> Delusions of omniscience noted. You have no idea how
>> much time I put into these posts. In fact it is only a
>> few minutes or less per post.

> Yes but given your volume of posting it's most of your
> day.

Nonsense.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

>>> Yes, I had a look at S&V at a newstand and I was
>>> surprised to see quite a bit of vinyl coverage.
>>
>> The cover was symptomatic of the fact that they've run
>> off a large percentage of their former knowledgeable
>> staff. I hear that the publisher is quite desperate.

> Yet they still haven't hired Arny. Hmmmmmm.

More delusions of omnisicence noted.

Writing isn't my best skill by far.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Vinylanach said:

> The new LP-12 is nearly $20,000.

Arnii didn't wipe his ass this month, so he can buy 20 of them.

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

The Krooborg has a moment of clarity.

> Writing isn't my best skill by far.

No! You're kidding us, right?

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 10, 6:39�pm, "BretLudwig" > wrote:
> >>"
>
> The new LP-12 is nearly $20,000.
>
> Boon"<<
>
> �The price must have quadrupled or quintupled in the last five or so
> years?? Well, if so, I'm less than shocked. No limit to audiophile
> gullibility.
>
> �I think they were in the $3000 bracket maybe a decade ago or less.. And
> they were overpriced at that.

It's a new model. It looks very similar to the LP-12, but the innards
are all new. It's not the same animal. I believe they're calling it
the LP-12+, or something similar.

You can still get a reg'lar LP-12 for around $3K.

Boon

[Vinylanach]

On Jun 13, 7:51�am, UnsteadyKen > wrote:
> BretLudwig �said:
>
> > >>"It's a new model. It looks very similar to the LP-12, but the innards
> > are all new. �It's not the same animal. �I believe they're calling it
> > the LP-12+, or something similar.
>
> Reviewed in this months HFN. Its called the Linn Majik has a
> simplified pPSU, back to moving the belt to change speeds. Fcomes
> itted with a Pro-Ject 9cc and an ADikt MM cart.
> Price 1,995 UKP Lid extra 140 UKP.> You can still get a reg'lar LP-12 for around $3K."<<
>
> The full blown LP12 with all the SE bits is 9,500ukp double those
> ukp's for dollar prices

No, not the Majik.

I'm not sure what's going on with the new LP-12. It's not on Linn's
website. I've seen it at shows, I've read about it in other
publications, and my magazine is supposed to be getting one in. I
even saw one at a dealership (during a "special" event). Maybe it's
not ready for prime time yet.

Boon