This is supposed to be an election where all the votes are counted,not a Madonna concert !

[tobetbaa]

There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
count all the votes.

http://surftofind.com/obama

[Francis A. Miniter]

tobetbaa wrote:
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama


????? Your statements are greatly at odds with political
procedures in America. The United States of America is not
and never has been a democracy. It is a republic. The
union was founded by votes of the various states, not the
individuals who resided in them. Until the early 1900s,
senators were not even elected by the populace.

In both political parties, candidates are nominated by
delegates chosen by state, not nationally, and in both
parties a number of the delegates are not voted for by the
populace. Until your post, I have never seen or heard
anyone claim that voters chose candidates. Delegates from
states choose candidates.

Besides, who has more popular votes depends on whether you
include Florida and Michigan or not. They broke the rules
that Hillary agreed to beforehand. Obama, in accordance
with the rules committee, withdrew his name from the ballot
in Michigan. Clinton did not. Excluding these two rogue
states, Obama holds the popular vote.

Oh, by the way, in case you slept through the 2000 election,
the President is also not elected by popular vote, but by
the state electors chosen by the voters of the state in the
November election.


Francis A. Miniter

[RHF]

On May 22, 6:06*am, tobetbaa > wrote:
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

(OT) : 2008 Election Politics - Count Every Public Open Election
Vote :
Say No to an Oligarchy of Super-Delegates and Limited Private Party
Caucus

If both American Political Parties {Democrat and Republican}
want to Count-All-the-Votes : Then the Parties would be holding
Real Open Public Democratic One-Person-One-Vote Elections
- - - and - - -
NOT Restricted Party Controlled "Caucus" of the "Select Few"
Party Members {Political Cadre} that are 'allowed' to participate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucus

Caucus Politics is Jim Crow : Segregated Politics that is
'designed' to "Limited" the Voting Franchise and Who Can Vote.

Super Delegates Are Un-American and Violate the Principle
One-Person-One-Vote and Equality Under-the-Law.
Just Say No to the Super-Delegate Oligarchy !

Basic Democracy 101 : Count Every Vote :
Every Vote Needs To Be Counted :
Leave No Vote Un-Counted. ~ RHF

[Tex]

Scoreboard!

Read it and weep - it is hilarious watching the daily frantic
lobbying of the loony right on behalf of Hillary and seeing the public
dismiss their lies and distortions.You are preaching the choir i.e.
the already converted who aren't going to vote for Senator Obama
anyway.

Your cheerleaders in the media (Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck and
other simpletons ad naseum) have been so discredited and marginalized
by the thinking American public their propaganda is no longer
effective.

Obama leads McCain in November match: Reuters poll
Wed May 21, 2008 10:54am EDT

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened an 8-point
national lead on Republican John McCain as the U.S. presidential
rivals turn their focus to a general election race, according to a
Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

Obama, who was tied with McCain in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup
last month, moved to a 48 percent to 40 percent lead over the Arizona
senator in May as he took command of his grueling Democratic
presidential duel with rival Hillary Clinton.

The Illinois senator has not yet secured the Democratic presidential
nomination to run against McCain in November.

The poll also found Obama expanded his lead over Clinton in the
Democratic race to 26 percentage points, doubling his advantage from
mid-April as Democrats begin to coalesce around Obama and prepare for
the general election battle with McCain.

"Obama has been very resilient, bouncing back from rough periods and
doing very well with independent voters," pollster John Zogby said.
"The race with McCain is going to be very competitive."

The poll was taken Thursday through Sunday during a period when Obama
came under attack from President George W. Bush and McCain for his
promise to talk to hostile foreign leaders without preconditions.

[Don Del Grande]

tobetbaa wrote:

>There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
>climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
>will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
>election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
>staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
>after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
>Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
>count all the votes.

According to the count I have (courtesy of TheGreenPapers and
RealClearPolitics), in states where Clinton was on the ballot, "Not
Clinton" has 17,824,000 votes to Clinton's 17,645,000, and in states
where Obama was on the ballot, Obama has 17,587,000 to "Not Obama's"
17,316,000.

(Claiming that Obama should be credited with zero popular votes in
Michigan is not something that makes sense coming from people who
insist that Al Gore was elected in 2000...)

-- Don

[Telamon]

In article
>,
RHF > wrote:

< SNIP >

I had the chance to shake the hands of both Barack Obama and John McCain
the other day and both of them mentioned that they think you are a news
group retard.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[Clyde Slick]

On 22 Mai, 21:37, Telamon >
wrote:


>
> I had the chance to shake the hands of both Barack Obama and John McCain
> the other day and both of them mentioned that they think you are a news
> group retard.
>
>

Interesting, they have talking hands.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 22 Mai, 21:37, Telamon >
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I had the chance to shake the hands of both Barack Obama and John McCain
> > the other day and both of them mentioned that they think you are a news
> > group retard.
> >
> >
>
> Interesting, they have talking hands.

Nothin' major, he's just hallucinating again.

[RHF]

On May 22, 6:37*pm, Telamon
> wrote:
> In article
> >,
>
> *RHF > wrote:

- < SNIP >
-
- I had the chance to shake the hands of both Barack Obama
- and John McCain the other day and both of them mentioned
- that they think you are a news group retard.
-
- --
- Telamon -aka- Teli-Tard© -or- TelaMonkey©
- Ventura, California

Teli-Tard© - Proving Once Again... That I Am Well Known
all the while you remain a little nothing ~ RHF

[Telamon]

In article
>,
RHF > wrote:

> On May 22, 6:37*pm, Telamon
> > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> >
> > *RHF > wrote:
>
> - < SNIP >
> -
> - I had the chance to shake the hands of both Barack Obama
> - and John McCain the other day and both of them mentioned
> - that they think you are a news group retard.
> -

Both those fine gentlemen think you are a retard and so does Hillary.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California