The Golden Ear

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Anybody here have one or know of a technical paper that has tested
such people? By this I mean people who claim they can hear up to 25kHz
and know when wires are thicker or gold plated etc...

K.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> Anybody here have one or know of a technical paper that
> has tested such people? By this I mean people who claim
> they can hear up to 25kHz and know when wires are thicker
> or gold plated etc...

Over the years, the various active DBT advocates including myself have
tested many such people. When levels are matched, the music is synched, and
the comparison is free of bias, there are simply no golden ears. There are
even many people who profess to be golden ears whose actual ability to
discern subtle differences is worse than average.

BTW, gold plating copper wire does not improve its conductivity, because the
conductivity of gold is far worse than that of pure copper.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates including myself have
> tested many such people.

Prove it!

We have no proof that you ever tested anybody.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates
>> including myself have tested many such people.
>
> Prove it!

First "Art", prove that you exist. I think most people noticed that when the
Middiot stopped posting here for about a week, so did you.

[RapidRonnie]

On Apr 1, 11:04 pm, wrote:
> Anybody here have one or know of a technical paper that has tested
> such people? By this I mean people who claim they can hear up to 25kHz
> and know when wires are thicker or gold plated etc...
>
> K.

It's a scientific fact that certain humans can hear as high as 25-28
kHz, mostly women, and mostly young. All you need to prove this is a
suitable driver, a HP 200CD and a Morse code key or other switch that
is convenient. The test is if they can raise their hand or otherwise
indicate if they hear or don't hear the tone if the circuit is closed
or open.

Whether that translates into audiophile virtue is another question
entirely.

[Arny Krueger]

"RapidRonnie" > wrote in message

> On Apr 1, 11:04 pm, wrote:

>> Anybody here have one or know of a technical paper that
>> has tested such people? By this I mean people who claim
>> they can hear up to 25kHz and know when wires are
>> thicker or gold plated etc...
>>
>> K.
>
> It's a scientific fact that certain humans can hear as
> high as 25-28 kHz, mostly women, and mostly young. All
> you need to prove this is a suitable driver, a HP 200CD
> and a Morse code key or other switch that is convenient.
> The test is if they can raise their hand or otherwise
> indicate if they hear or don't hear the tone if the
> circuit is closed or open.

> Whether that translates into audiophile virtue is another
> question entirely.

Agreed - hearing isolated tones has questionable relevance to listening to
music.

Most people can hear pure tones at amazingly high frequencies if the tone is
loud enough. The experience may be more like sensing than hearing, but it
can be reliable.

More to the point when listening to music, is the frequency at which a
brickwall filter becomes audible. For most people, even those with very good
hearing, this starts around 16 KHz. Since the audio CD format puts the brick
wall at 22 KHz, there isn't a problem due to it.

BTW it is masking, not raw ability to hear tones in isolation, that is the
better predictor of effective audibility.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 6:49*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates
> >> including myself have tested many such people.
>
> > Prove it!
>
> First "Art", prove that you exist. I think most people noticed that when the
> Middiot stopped posting here for about a week, so did you.

I would suggest that you are insane.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message


> I would suggest that you are insane.

Insane people are well-known to talk like that. There's a certain kind of
backwards rationality to it - either they are insane and everybody else is
sane, or vice-versa.

[Vinylanach]

On Apr 2, 5:53�am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 6:49�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > >> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates
> > >> including myself have tested many such people.
>
> > > Prove it!
>
> > First "Art", prove that you exist. I think most people noticed that when the
> > Middiot stopped posting here for about a week, so did you.
>
> I would suggest that you are insane.

The funny part is that Arny has always claimed that his website trains
people how to listen, but at the same time he says there are no golden
ears. For the most part, these people with golden ears ARE people who
have been trained to listen properly. Therefore, ABXism is snake oil,
and Arny just admitted it.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Vinylanach" > wrote in message


> The funny part is that Arny has always claimed that his
> website trains people how to listen, but at the same time
> he says there are no golden ears.

In this context, a golden ear would be someone who "who claim they can know
when wires are ... gold plated etc."

I've already pointed out that gold plating copper wire is futile because
gold has less conductivity than copper. The thickness of plating is so small
compared to speaker wire that it is immaterial, anyhow.

> For the most part,
> these people with golden ears ARE people who have been
> trained to listen properly.

People who know how to listen properly as a rule know better than to make
the sort of rediculous claims that golden ears affect.

> Therefore, ABXism is snake oil, and Arny just admitted it.

Doesn't follow in any logical way.

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

Vinylanach said:

>Therefore, ABXism is snake oil, and Arny just admitted it.

In fact, the Krooborg's beloved torture box has never been proven
effective. The only "evidence" of its efficacy forthcoming from the
'borgs is that when victims are hooked up to an aBxism device, they
lose their ability to listen Normally.

In the face of this evidentiary vacuum, the Krooborg continues to
insist that aBxism is somehow "valid" for audiophiles. There's a word
for belief in things not seen: religion.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 8:46*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > I would suggest that you are insane.
>
> Insane people are well-known to talk like that. *There's a certain kind of
> backwards rationality to it - either they are insane and everybody else is
> sane, or vice-versa.

Leaving aside your weak attempt at "IKYABWAI", let's examine your
claim. Insane people tend to think they're the only sane people in the
room. They think everybody else is insane.

I do not think that I am the only sane person in the room. Likewise, I
do not think that everybody else in the room is insane. 2pid and nob,
for example, not insane: are just exceedingly stupid. Bratzi, for
example, is not insane: he is just pure evil.

So your argument is not logically valid. Most of your arguments are
not, which is (of course) another sign of insanity.

GOIA, many, if not most, of the people in the room believe you to be
unhinged. You are the lone person claiming that you are sane. Doesn't
that tell us something? ;-)

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

Shhhh! said:

>GOIA, many, if not most, of the people in the room believe you to be
>unhinged. You are the lone person claiming that you are sane. Doesn't
>that tell us something? ;-)

Yes indeed! It tells Arnii Krooger that you're all part of the
conspiracy to humiliate him.

[Clyde Slick]

On 2 Apr, 07:49, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates
> >> including myself have tested many such people.
>
> > Prove it!
>
> First "Art", prove that you exist. I think most people noticed that when the
> Middiot stopped posting here for about a week, so did you.

LOL!!!!
Why did you accuse a person who you profess does not exist of sending
you kiddieporn
that did not exist?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 7:44*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 2 Apr, 07:49, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > > On 2 Apr, 07:19, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > >> Over the years, the various active DBT advocates
> > >> including myself have tested many such people.
>
> > > Prove it!
>
> > First "Art", prove that you exist. I think most people noticed that when the
> > Middiot stopped posting here for about a week, so did you.
>
> LOL!!!!
> Why did you accuse a person who you profess does not exist of sending
> you kiddieporn
> that did not exist?

You're not calling GOIA insane, are you? In GOIA's world, that means
you're insane. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 2, 2:37*pm, George M. Middius >

> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.

There's another word I can think of: insanity.

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

Shhhh! said:

>> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.
>
>There's another word I can think of: insanity.

Mister Krooborg has repeatedly demanded proof that he means anything
he says. In the absence of such proof, Arnii is entitled, under
"debating trade" rules, to believe that nothing he says has any basis
in reality.

Does this make you a bit confused? That's a sure sign of insanity. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 2, 2:37 pm, George M. Middius
> >
>
>> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.
>
> There's another word I can think of: insanity.

Clearly insanity is a big concern of yours - no doubt due to personal
expereince.

BTW didn't you say that you did a tour in Iraq? How many bombings have you
survived? Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message

> In fact, the Krooborg's beloved torture box has never
> been proven effective.

One problem here is that we do not know who Krooborg is, or what this
alleged torture device actually is.

> The only "evidence" of its
> efficacy forthcoming from the 'borgs is that when victims
> are hooked up to an aBxism device, they lose their
> ability to listen Normally.

Another problem is that the word Normally is capitalized, which suggests
that the word Normal is not intended to have its common meaning. From past
posts we can determine that the Middiot thinks that it is Normal. This
provides additional evidence that the meaning of the word Normal is intended
to be very esoteric.

> In the face of this evidentiary vacuum, the Krooborg
> continues to insist that aBxism is somehow "valid" for
> audiophiles.

Again, the absence of a formal definition for the esoteric word aBxism
prevents the sentence from being understood by most people.

> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.

Redefintion of the meaning of common words is a tactic that is commonly used
by anti-intellectual cults such as Scientism.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 5:25*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Apr 2, 2:37 pm, George M. Middius
> > >
>
> >> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.
>
> > There's another word I can think of: insanity.
>
> Clearly insanity is a big concern of yours - no doubt due to personal
> expereince.
>
> BTW didn't you say that you did a tour in Iraq?

Nope.

> *How many bombings have you survived?

I have not been through any, so none. I've just been shot at with
small arms.

> Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?

Nope. Guess again, crazy one.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 5:30*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> messagenews:dun7v31hmcvli6pplg82eoifvg0j74ncpp@4ax .com
>
> > In fact, the Krooborg's beloved torture box has never
> > been proven effective.
>
> One problem here is that we do not know who Krooborg is, or what this
> alleged torture device actually is.

The sane here do, which excludes you by definition.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 3, 5:25 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>> wrote in
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2:37 pm, George M. Middius
>>> >
>>
>>>> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.
>>
>>> There's another word I can think of: insanity.

>> Clearly insanity is a big concern of yours - no doubt
>> due to personal expereince.

> I've just been shot at with small arms.

Traumatic enough for me.

>> Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?

> Nope.

Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, what is your explanation for your habitually
repetitive abusive posting style?

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 3, 5:30 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
>> messagenews:dun7v31hmcvli6pplg82eoifvg0j74ncpp@4ax .com
>>
>>> In fact, the Krooborg's beloved torture box has never
>>> been proven effective.
>>
>> One problem here is that we do not know who Krooborg is,
>> or what this alleged torture device actually is.
>
> The sane here do, which excludes you by definition.

Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like you think it is an
exclusive group.

[Clyde Slick]

On 3 Apr, 06:25, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >


> Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?

As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement training sessions.

[Clyde Slick]

On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like you think it is an
> exclusive group.

Exclusive enough.
You can't join our club

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

Turdborg craves punishment.

>If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, what is your explanation for your habitually
>repetitive abusive posting style?

Why are you melting down on RAO, Arnii? Seems to me you could reap a
lot more abuse and abnegation on RATech, UKRA, RAH-E, or RAPro. I know
your hate clubs in those other groups far outnumber the few RAOers who
bother with you. You're just wasting your turds here on RAO.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message

>> If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, what is your explanation for
>> your habitually repetitive abusive posting style?

> Why are you melting down on RAO, Arnii?

Suffering from feelings of persecution, Middiot?

There's no melt down, just a polite question about ****R's little behavior
problem. Not taking it personally - he treats everybody with the same
weirdness.

> Seems to me you could reap a lot more abuse and abnegation on RATech,
> UKRA, RAH-E, or RAPro.

Middiot, you are so much better than I at gathering abuse on those forums.
Shall I provide some quotes from Google relating to your repeated
humiliations in those forums?

> I know your hate clubs in those other groups far outnumber the few RAOers
> who bother with you.

"hate clubs", Middiot? Is that what you call the independent parties who
speak out against your childish attempts to create strife on other groups?

> You're just wasting your turds here on RAO.

Middiot, I wonder how many weeks you'd have to stop polluting this place
before it would become fit for man and dog? Oh, and take your buddy Bratzi
with you.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 3 Apr, 06:25, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>
>
>> Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?
>
> As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement
> training sessions.

If he told you that Art, then that would just be another one of his paranoid
delusions. But I don't think so - you're making this up on your own.

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
>> you think it is an exclusive group.
>
> Exclusive enough.
> You can't join our club.

Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

The Krooborg tries to match wits with a Normal. Unfortunately for
Mr. ****, his piggy bank is as empty as ever.

>> As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement
>> training sessions.
>
>If he told you that Art, then that would just be another one of his paranoid
>delusions. But I don't think so - you're making this up on your own.

Arnii, do your "facts" sink or float? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in
message
> The Krooborg tries to match wits with a Normal.
> Unfortunately for Mr. ****, his piggy bank is as empty as
> ever.
>
>>> As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement
>>> training sessions.
>>
>> If he told you that Art, then that would just be another
>> one of his paranoid delusions. But I don't think so -
>> you're making this up on your own.
>
> Arnii, do your "facts" sink or float? Inquiring minds
> want to know.

Hope floats.

[Arny Krueger]

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message

> On Apr 2, 8:46 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>> wrote in
>>
>>
>>> I would suggest that you are insane.
>>
>> Insane people are well-known to talk like that. There's
>> a certain kind of
>> backwards rationality to it - either they are insane and
>> everybody else is
>> sane, or vice-versa.

> Leaving aside your weak attempt at "IKYABWAI",

Hardly weak - you're acting like you are personally threatened.

> let's examine your claim. Insane people tend to think they're the only
> sane
> people in the room. They think everybody else is insane.

Sounds like you, ****R.

> I do not think that I am the only sane person in the
> room.

Can't prove that by your behavior, ****R. Or perhaps we can expand on that
to say that you act like you are the only person in the room with a brain.

> Likewise, I do not think that everybody else in the room is insane.

Again ****R, your behavior tells a different story.

> 2pid and nob, for example, not insane: are just exceedingly stupid.

That could be part of your insanity, ****R. Or, it could be part of your
post traumatic stress problem. You are a bit singular.

> Bratzi, for example, is not insane: he is just pure evil.

Actually, he's just someone playing a role.

> Most of your arguments are not, which is (of course) another sign of
> insanity.

Most of my arguments are not what?

Statements without clear antecedants are signs of fuzzy thinking.


> GOIA, many, if not most, of the people in the room
> believe you to be unhinged.

Delusions of omniscience noted. In fact you don't even know how many people
are in this so-called room. It's certainly far less than the few that it
appears to be. It appears that you and the Middiot have driven off pretty
much everybody who might post here about audio. Bratzi has done his share.

Before the Middiot and Bratzi, RAO was a thriving forum of audio-related
intellectual discussion. Post-Middiot, it is the intellectual wasteland that
we see before us.

> You are the lone person claiming that you are sane.

There's not a representive number of people posting here to give that
statement any meaning at all.

> Doesn't that tell us something? ;-)

****R, it tells us about your ignorance of the fallacy of basing
far-reaching claims on the opinions of only a few people. BTW, isn't it
time for you to morph into Art or the Middiot?

[UnsteadyKen[_2_]]

nebulax said...

> Here's a test to see how high a frequency you can hear. Of course, your
> computer speakers have to be able go up that high as well, which is probably
> more of a limiting factor in this test than your ears.
>
>
>
The freeware nch tone generator is a handy toy for this sort of thing
http://www.brothersoft.com/tone-and-waveform-generator-download-10415.html
--
Ken

[Arny Krueger]

"nebulax" > wrote in message

> > wrote in message
> ...
>> Anybody here have one or know of a technical paper that
>> has tested such people? By this I mean people who claim
>> they can hear up to 25kHz and know when wires are
>> thicker or gold plated etc... K.
>
>
> Here's a test to see how high a frequency you can hear.
> Of course, your computer speakers have to be able go up
> that high as well, which is probably more of a limiting
> factor in this test than your ears.
> http://www.ultrasonic-ringtones.com/


Hearing isolated tones is irrelevant to the ear's ability to hear high
harmonics in music.

If you want to test your ability to hear the absence of high frequencies,
try this page:

http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm

[Clyde Slick]

On Apr 3, 2:43 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> Delusions of omniscience noted. In fact you don't even know how many people
> are in this so-called room. It's certainly far less than the few that it
> appears to be. It appears that you and the Middiot have driven off pretty
> much everybody who might post here about audio. Bratzi has done his share.
>
BTW, isn't it
> time for you to morph into Art or the Middiot?

We haven't driven them off, we just stopped animating a few
of our many sockpuppets.LOL!!! You can stop being paranoid now.

[Clyde Slick]

On Apr 3, 3:55 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> If you want to test your ability to hear the absence of high frequencies,
> try this page:
>
> http://www.pcabx.com/technical/low_pass/index.htm

Trouble, trouble, trouble.
I didn't hear the usual castanets.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 1:43*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Apr 2, 8:46 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> >> wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> I would suggest that you are insane.
>
> >> Insane people are well-known to talk like that. There's
> >> a certain kind of
> >> backwards rationality to it - either they are insane and
> >> everybody else is
> >> sane, or vice-versa.
> > Leaving aside your weak attempt at "IKYABWAI",
>
> Hardly weak - you're acting like you are personally threatened.

Not at all, GOIA. I thrive on irony.

> > *let's *examine your claim. Insane people tend to think they're the only
> > sane
> > people in the *room. They think everybody else is insane.
>
> Sounds like you, ****R.

No, it doesn't. You aren't very good at this.

> > I do not think that I am the only sane person in the
> > room.
>
> Can't prove that by your behavior, ****R. Or perhaps we can expand on that
> to say that you act like you are the only person in the room with a brain.

Why, another fallacious claim! Two in a row!

> > *Likewise, I *do not think that everybody else in the room is insane..
>
> Again ****R, your behavior tells a different story.

Strike three! If you were ever in, you'd be out! LOL!

> > 2pid and nob, *for example, not insane: are just exceedingly stupid.
>
> That could be part of your insanity, ****R. Or, it could be part of your
> post traumatic stress problem. *You are a bit singular.

Hm. I'm no expert in Krooglish, but this is a suspect statement.

> > Bratzi, for * example, is not insane: he is just pure evil.
>
> Actually, he's just someone playing a role.

So you know him. Figures.

> > Most of your *arguments are not, which is (of course) another sign of
> > insanity.
>
> Most of my arguments are not what?
>
> Statements without clear antecedants are signs of fuzzy thinking.

Snipping them seems somehow worse to me, but then again I'm not
insane. Let's try again, shall we? I'm here for you:

"So your argument is not logically valid. Most of your arguments are
not, which is (of course) another sign of insanity."

Do you still have any questions? If so, just ask!

> > GOIA, many, if not most, of the people in the room
> > believe you to be *unhinged.
>
> Delusions of omniscience noted. In fact you don't even know how many people
> are in this so-called room. It's certainly far less than the few that it
> appears to be. It appears that *you and the Middiot have driven off pretty
> much everybody who might post here about audio. Bratzi has done his share.

Yup. It's me and George.

The conspiracy has been victorious! LOL!

> Before the Middiot and Bratzi, RAO was a thriving forum of audio-related
> intellectual discussion. Post-Middiot, it is the intellectual wasteland that
> we see before us.

Now you're taking my well-earned glory from me and attributing it to
Bratzi. I want my fair share.

> > You are the lone person claiming that you are sane.
>
> There's not a representive number of people posting here to give that
> statement any meaning at all.

I see nobody leaping to your defense now. Perhaps the conspiracy drove
off everybody who knows you to be sane.

> > Doesn't *that tell us something? ;-)
>
> ****R, it tells us about your ignorance of the fallacy of basing
> far-reaching claims on the opinions of only a few people. *BTW, isn't it
> time for you to morph into Art or the Middiot?

If the question of your insanity was a matter of "opinion" perhaps
your erroneous claim might have some validity.

Oh well.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 6:02*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Apr 3, 5:25 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> >> wrote in
> >>
>
> >>> On Apr 2, 2:37 pm, George M. Middius
> >>> >
>
> >>>> There's a word for belief in things not seen: religion.
>
> >>> There's another word I can think of: insanity.
> >> Clearly insanity is a big concern of yours - no doubt
> >> due to personal *expereince.
> > I've just been shot at with *small arms.
>
> Traumatic enough for me.

Perhaps the thought of it has given you PTSD. I'm fine, but thanks for
asking.

> >> Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?
> > Nope.
>
> Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

Ah. So if I say "yes" you claim "See?" If I say no, you claim
"Denial!"

Have you stopped raping 12-year-old boys yet, GOIA? ;-)

> If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, *what is your explanation for your habitually
> repetitive abusive posting style?

To whom?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 6:03*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> wrote in
>
> > On Apr 3, 5:30 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> >> messagenews:dun7v31hmcvli6pplg82eoifvg0j74ncpp@4ax .com
>
> >>> In fact, the Krooborg's beloved torture box has never
> >>> been proven effective.
>
> >> One problem here is that we do not know who Krooborg is,
> >> or what this alleged torture device actually is.
>
> > The sane here do, which excludes you by definition.
>
> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like you think it is an
> exclusive group.

There is but one here who cannot join the sane group. I leave it to
you to figure it out. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 8:00*am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 3 Apr, 06:25, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
> > *Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?
>
> As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement training sessions.

No, but I heard about them. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 8:09*am, George M. Middius > wrote:
> Turdborg craves punishment.
>
> >If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, *what is your explanation for your habitually
> >repetitive abusive posting style?
>
> Why are you melting down on RAO, Arnii? Seems to me you could reap a
> lot more abuse and abnegation on RATech, UKRA, RAH-E, or RAPro. I know
> your hate clubs in those other groups far outnumber the few RAOers who
> bother with you. You're just wasting your turds here on RAO.

GOIA is loved, respected, admired, and sought-out on those other
groups.

He is hoping that all the "insane" ;-) people here will do likewise if
he ****s here often enough.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 9:17*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" > wrote in
> messagenews:ijl9v35sfmhccsqhf53da4dr4j61k0aj11@4ax .com
>
> >> If not PTSD, Mr. war hero, *what is your explanation for
> >> your habitually repetitive abusive posting style?
> > Why are you melting down on RAO, Arnii?
>
> Suffering from feelings of persecution, Middiot?
>
> There's no melt down, just a polite question about ****R's little behavior
> problem. Not taking it personally - he treats everybody with the same
> weirdness.

Please define "everybody". It's really a sign of insanity to make
large generalizations based on the opinions of a few. LOL!

(I'll bet GOIA misses the irony of this statement.)

> > Seems to me you could reap a lot more abuse and abnegation on RATech,
> > UKRA, RAH-E, or RAPro.
>
> Middiot, you are so much better than I at gathering abuse on those forums.
> Shall I provide some quotes from Google relating to your repeated
> humiliations in those forums?

I think the ones you gotten are far funnier. George doesn't pretend to
be an 'expert'.

> > I know your hate clubs in those *other groups far outnumber the few RAOers
> > who bother with you.
>
> "hate clubs", Middiot? *Is that what you call the independent parties who
> speak out against your childish attempts to create strife on other groups?

Fake ignorance (or perhaps real ignorance) ignored.

> > *You're just wasting your turds here on RAO.
>
> Middiot, I wonder how many weeks you'd have to stop polluting this place
> before it would become fit for man and dog? Oh, and take your buddy Bratzi
> with you.

And me. As I said, I want my credit too. Who you blame for the
"demise" of RAO seems to shift with the wind. And yet you *always*
miss the main culprit. ;-)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 9:18*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 3 Apr, 06:25, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
>
> >> *Seems like maybe a little PTSD is going on with you?
>
> > As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement
> > training sessions.
>
> If he told you that Art, then that would just be another one of his paranoid
> delusions. But I don't think so - you're making this up on your own.

Isn't it funny how GOIA tries to divert attention away from his own
issues?

Now *I'm* insane and paranoid. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 9:35*am, George M. Middius > wrote:
> The Krooborg tries to match wits with a Normal. Unfortunately for
> Mr. ****, his piggy bank is as empty as ever.
>
> >> As a teenager, Shhh! attended one of your basement
> >> training sessions.
>
> >If he told you that Art, then that would just be another one of his paranoid
> >delusions. But I don't think so - you're making this up on your own.
>
> Arnii, do your "facts" sink or float? Inquiring minds want to know.

That depends on what he had for lunch.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 9:19*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
> >> you think it is an exclusive group.
>
> > Exclusive enough.
> > You can't join our club.
>
> Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.

Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.

Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.

Please keep it straight.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Apr 3, 9:19*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
> > >> you think it is an exclusive group.
> >
> > > Exclusive enough.
> > > You can't join our club.
> >
> > Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.
>
> Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.
>
> Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.
>
> Please keep it straight.

Am I in that mix anywhere?

[George M. Middius[_3_]]

Jenn said:

>> > >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
>> > >> you think it is an exclusive group.
>> >
>> > > Exclusive enough.
>> > > You can't join our club.
>> >
>> > Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.
>>
>> Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.
>> Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.
>> Please keep it straight.
>
>Am I in that mix anywhere?

No girls! Beat it!

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
George M. Middius > wrote:

> Jenn said:
>
> >> > >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
> >> > >> you think it is an exclusive group.
> >> >
> >> > > Exclusive enough.
> >> > > You can't join our club.
> >> >
> >> > Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.
> >>
> >> Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.
> >> Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.
> >> Please keep it straight.
> >
> >Am I in that mix anywhere?
>
> No girls! Beat it!

(whimper)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Apr 3, 6:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 9:19*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > > On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
> > > >> you think it is an exclusive group.
>
> > > > Exclusive enough.
> > > > You can't join our club.
>
> > > Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.
>
> > Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.
>
> > Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.
>
> > Please keep it straight.
>
> Am I in that mix anywhere?

Jenn. JA. Both start with J.

You destroyed RAO.

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Apr 3, 6:06*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 9:19*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > > On 3 Apr, 07:03, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Who here do you think is sane? You make it sound like
> > > > >> you think it is an exclusive group.
> >
> > > > > Exclusive enough.
> > > > > You can't join our club.
> >
> > > > Art-Middiot, no club you are a member of is exclusively sane.
> >
> > > Ah, the old sockpuppet accusation.
> >
> > > Art is me, Boon is George, JA runs all of us.
> >
> > > Please keep it straight.
> >
> > Am I in that mix anywhere?
>
> Jenn. JA. Both start with J.
>
> You destroyed RAO.

Oh, OK.