EV ND 468 vs Senheiser 421 for toms?

[Bill Lorentzen]

I'm curious to get some opinions on these 2 mics for tom-toms. The 468 is a
2" oblong tilting mic that is very easy to fit around the kit.

Thanks for your opinions.

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Bill Lorentzen > wrote:
>I'm curious to get some opinions on these 2 mics for tom-toms. The 468 is a
>2" oblong tilting mic that is very easy to fit around the kit.

Both are very nice, but they sound different. The 421 is a less
directional mike, so it has less proximity effect and therefore less
low end in this application. The mids and highs of the 421 sound a
little cleaner and clearer to my ears, but the 468 isn't bad at all,
perhaps just a bit thicker and brighter sounding. I haven't used the
421 MkII, which is apparently a little brighter than the original, so
my comments refer to the old 421.

Positioning is a lot simpler with a 468, and sort of cumbersome with a
421, but either will work with a sensible drum kit.

I've used both mikes on the same kit and I'm happiest with 421s on the
smallest toms and 468s on the largest ones. But, it's hard to go
wrong with either mike.


Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I'm curious to get some opinions on these 2 mics for tom-toms. The 468 is a
> 2" oblong tilting mic that is very easy to fit around the kit.

They're both fine for toms, but if you want the best one for your toms
on your song, you'll need both (and a few other mics too) and you'll
just have to try them.

For live sound, I much prefer the EV because they're easier to
position. Since I rarely work shows where I have time to try various
mics and positions and just have put something in what looks like the
right place and work with whatever comes out when I push up the fader.
But between the two mics, if I was going to use them for other things
as well as toms, I'd rather have the Sennheiser.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[Jay Kahrs]

>I've used both mikes on the same kit and I'm happiest with 421s on the
>smallest toms and 468s on the largest ones. But, it's hard to go
>wrong with either mike.

Interesting isn't it? Using the bigger mic on the smaller toms...I've been
using 421's on rack toms with a D112 on the floor and that seems to work well
for rock music. If I can't fit the 421's then I'll break out the MD504's which
are more directional and have more presence then a 421.

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[ThePaulThomas]

"Bill Lorentzen" > wrote in message >...
> I'm curious to get some opinions on these 2 mics for tom-toms. The 468 is a
> 2" oblong tilting mic that is very easy to fit around the kit.
>
> Thanks for your opinions.

If you're currently shopping around for some more mic's to add to
your collection then it's probably worth mentioning a few more. The
predecessors to the EV N/D-468 were the N/D-408 and the N/D-308-B. The
308 had the same yoke assembly but the top of the head was flat. In
fact it more closely resembled the EV RE-38, except the grill was
black instead of silver. The 308 also had a slightly wider pattern.
They both show up on eBay fairly often and seem to average around $75
each. Great for drums and guitar as well. There's also the Sennheiser
409 (or 609?) which are good for toms and are small and easy to
position on drum kits.
And as Mike mentioned, eventually you'll want _both_ the 421 and one
of the EV's because while they're certainly different mic's they're
both still very _all-purpose_ and would likely get much use over the
years. Both are good options so it just depends on your current
budget. The EV's I mentioned are under $100 (used) and the
Sennheiser's are about $200-$225 (used). I hope this helps. -Paul

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Jay Kahrs > wrote:
>>I've used both mikes on the same kit and I'm happiest with 421s on the
>>smallest toms and 468s on the largest ones. But, it's hard to go
>>wrong with either mike.
>
>Interesting isn't it? Using the bigger mic on the smaller toms...

Yeah, I wish the 421 was a little smaller, but what the heck, it
sounds really nice, so I'll use it where it sounds best (unless it
absolutely won't fit).

I hope those "kick drum mikes have to be large" folks pay attention to
this concept...!

>I've been using 421's on rack toms with a D112 on the floor and that
>seems to work well for rock music.

This (and bass cabinets) may be the best/only good use for the
D112... I should try it sometime... several other folks I respect have
also recommended it.

>If I can't fit the 421's then I'll break out the MD504's which
>are more directional and have more presence then a 421.

504s are certainly acceptable - I only have experience with them for
live sound, but they seem to work fine.


Best,

Monte McGuire

[Blind Joni]

>
>504s are certainly acceptable - I only have experience with them for
>live sound, but they seem to work fine.
>

504's work well for me on smaller toms..I'm using an Audix D4 on floors and am
liking it.


John A. Chiara
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Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
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