Happy Birthday

[Jenn[_2_]]

Andres Segovia
The amazing, nearly prototypical classical guitarist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7y_CD9rMg

Leo Delibes
French composer, known almost entirely for the opera "Lakme", in
particular the famous "Flower Duet". You'd all know it when you hear it
from various concerts, commercials, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-6Ej2lnwg
(about 1:20 in)

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 21, 11:41*am, Jenn > wrote:
> Andres Segovia
> The amazing, nearly prototypical classical guitaristhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7y_CD9rMg

I saw him perform in probably 1978 or so. It was winter and many
people had colds, so there was some coughing in the audience. He
stoped in the middle of the piece he was playing, took out a
handkerchief, and showed the audience how to quietly cough into it,
then continued on.

He was an amazing guitar player. Didn't he and Chet Atkins have some
connection? It seems to me Atkins "discovered" him, or vice-versa.

I may have to get out some of my Decca Segovia LPs now.

[ScottW]

On Feb 21, 11:29*am, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Jenn said:
>
> > After the meeting, Chet held his nylon string instruments differently,
> > more like AS, and his sound changed for the better.
>
> Jennn are you, suggesting Jennnn that Arnii Krooger didn't know that
> Jen? Its like the porthole on the aftward, side of the boat wasn't
> filled with snow. Arnii Krooger had radars in his bloodstream before you
> learned how to boot a computer Jennn.

Ignored post.

ScottW

[soundhaspriority]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
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[snip]
>
> They met once and lots of photos were taken. After the meeting, Chet
> held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
> sound changed for the better. In the one conversation they had, AS
> pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
>
What does "county player" mean?

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article >,
"Soundhaspriority" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> [snip]
> >
> > They met once and lots of photos were taken. After the meeting, Chet
> > held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
> > sound changed for the better. In the one conversation they had, AS
> > pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
> >
> What does "county player" mean?
>
> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511

Sorry: "countRy"

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"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Soundhaspriority" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> [snip]
>> >
>> > They met once and lots of photos were taken. After the meeting, Chet
>> > held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
>> > sound changed for the better. In the one conversation they had, AS
>> > pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
>> >
>> What does "county player" mean?
>>
>> Bob Morein
>> (310) 237-6511
>
> Sorry: "countRy"

Oh! I thought it was an obscure honor :)

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

[Harry Lavo]

Just heard it today on the local public radio station. What a well-known
piece for such a little-known and preformed opera.

Harry

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> Andres Segovia
> The amazing, nearly prototypical classical guitarist
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7y_CD9rMg
>
> Leo Delibes
> French composer, known almost entirely for the opera "Lakme", in
> particular the famous "Flower Duet". You'd all know it when you hear it
> from various concerts, commercials, etc.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-6Ej2lnwg
> (about 1:20 in)

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Bret Ludwig > wrote:

> >
> > > He was an amazing guitar player. Didn't he and Chet Atkins have some
> > > connection? It seems to me Atkins "discovered" him, or vice-versa.
> >
> > They met once and lots of photos were taken. After the meeting, Chet
> > held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
> > sound changed for the better. In the one conversation they had, AS
> > pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
>
>
> Segovia was an opinionated dick and a jerk

Evidently.

> and had a hugely
> overinflated opinion of himself

He was the best player of his generation, possibly of all generations.

> and of the classical guitar, which is
> really not a classical instrument in the sense of being in the
> orchestra.

Which is no requirement. Ever heard of the piano?

> It's no more important classically than the banjo, the
> accordion, or electronic instruments

A ridiculous statement. Where are the important concerti or chamber
music for those instruments?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Feb 21, 6:21*pm, Bret Ludwig > wrote:
> > > He was an amazing guitar player. Didn't he and Chet Atkins have some
> > > connection? It seems to me Atkins "discovered" him, or vice-versa.
>
> > They met once and lots of photos were taken. *After the meeting, Chet
> > held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
> > sound changed for the better. *In the one conversation they had, AS
> > pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
>
> *Segovia was an opinionated dick and a jerk and had a hugely
> overinflated opinion of himself and of the classical guitar, which is
> really not a classical instrument in the sense of being in the
> orchestra. It's no more important classically than the banjo, the
> accordion, or electronic instruments (btw, the Hammond deserves far
> more respect than does the "ondes martenot" those stuffy coffee table
> books always plug.)

We weren't talkng about Marilyn Monroe, so you may continue whacking
off at will. ;-)

BTW, the glass harmonica, the harp and the saxophone are not
*orchestral* instruments either. They, like the guitar, never will be,
even though there are orchestral pieces featuring them all. There are
also differences between *orchestral* instruments and *classical*
instruments, one major difference being that there is no such thing as
a "classical" instrument. That does not mean that the harpsichord or
the guitar (both with many pieces written for them, but not typically
featured during most orchestral performances these days) are not
"important".

Um, and electronic instruments were not around in Beethoven's time.
You are really a bonehead. ;-)

These may help an obvious neophyte like you:

http://www.dsokids.com/2001/instrumentchart.htm

http://cnx.org/content/m11896/latest/

This may help you too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_guitar

[Clyde Slick]

On Feb 21, 8:10*pm, Bret Ludwig > wrote:
> > We weren't talkng about Marilyn Monroe, so you may continue whacking
> > off at will. ;-)
>
> *Funny thing, I ran into Michael Stern a while ago. He is the son of
> Isaac stern, a violinist of some renown. *I told him that I had just
> read an interview with MM in which his father was mentioned. He was
> familiar with this. Nice guy. I got along with him fine.
>
> *And why wouldn't I? Oh yeah, that. Well, no problem.

Bratzi kept his swastika tatoo well hidden.

[[email protected]]

On Feb 21, 9:41�am, Jenn > wrote:
> Andres Segovia
> The amazing, nearly prototypical classical guitaristhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7y_CD9rMg
>
> Leo Delibes
> French composer, known almost entirely for the opera "Lakme", in
> particular the famous "Flower Duet". �You'd all know it when you hear it
> from various concerts, commercials, etc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX-6Ej2lnwg� �
> (about 1:20 in)

Thanks, Jenn! That was lovely. I picked up a number of Segovia LPs
over the holidays.

BTW, Erika Miklova reminds me of Minnie Driver.

Boon

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
Bret Ludwig > wrote:

> On Feb 21, 6:44 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > Bret Ludwig > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > He was an amazing guitar player. Didn't he and Chet Atkins have some
> > > > > connection? It seems to me Atkins "discovered" him, or vice-versa.
> >
> > > > They met once and lots of photos were taken. After the meeting, Chet
> > > > held his nylon string instruments differently, more like AS, and his
> > > > sound changed for the better. In the one conversation they had, AS
> > > > pretty much shut down after he found out that CA was a county player.
> >
> > > Segovia was an opinionated dick and a jerk
> >
> > Evidently.
> >
> > > and had a hugely
> > > overinflated opinion of himself
> >
> > He was the best player of his generation, possibly of all generations.
>
> Yes he was a good musician, but there were hundreds of violin and
> piano players at the equivalent level because those things had
> infrastructure. Guitar didn't. I agree he did some good but the
> classical guitar is no substitute for an orchestra or even a piano.

It's not SUPPOSED to be a substitute for anything. Neither is the
violin.

>
> In a more rational musical universe perhaps a guitar section would be
> in the orchestra:
>
> http://www.hago.org.uk/
>
> One also thinks of the banjo and mandolin orchestras at the turn of
> the century.

What instruments are in the orchestra is a decision left in the hands of
the composer, which is right where it should be.

>
> His obsession with being Numero Uno prevented his coming up with the
> logical premise that like the saxophones and saxhorns, and of course
> bowed strings, there should be a family of guitars and not just the
> one.

Huh? There IS a family of guitars. I played a baritone just last
weekend.

>
> >
> > > and of the classical guitar, which is
> > > really not a classical instrument in the sense of being in the
> > > orchestra.
> >
> > Which is no requirement. Ever heard of the piano?
>
> Yes, also the harpsichord,

Was in the orchestra, when composers wanted a continuo instrument.

> the steam calliope,

Was never in the orchestra.

> and the virginal.

Was never in the orchestra.

> I
> suspect the latter is a misnomer since if it were really virginal how
> would anyone know what it sounded like?
> >
> > > It's no more important classically than the banjo, the
> > > accordion, or electronic instruments
> >
> > A ridiculous statement. Where are the important concerti or chamber
> > music for those instruments?
>
> http://www.johnbullard.com/
>
> No different than Segovia.

That's a matter of opinion, but quite beside the point. I ask again:
where are the important concerti or chamber music for those instruments?

[Jenn[_2_]]

In article
>,
MiNe 109 > wrote:

> In article
>
> et>,
> Jenn > wrote:
>
> Someone else:
> > > the classical guitar is no substitute for an orchestra or even a piano.
> >
> > It's not SUPPOSED to be a substitute for anything. Neither is the
> > violin.
>
> Too bad no one told Sor, Boccherini, Berlioz, Schubert, Weber, Paganini,
> et al they were wasting their time.
>
> Stephen

Yep.