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Arny Krueger
February 11th 08, 01:36 PM
A friend invited me over last night for the unveiling of his new subwoofer
array. It is composed of 4 Fi Car Q18 18" drivers mounted on a heavy wood
plenum that is ducted into his listening room in a corner near his
upper-range speakers.

The Ficar Q18 drivers have Xmax (linear stroke) or 27 mm or about an inch.
They have an approximate additional inch of less-linear travel for a total
of about 2 inch stroke..

Each Ficar Q18 driver has 2 two ohm voice coils that can each handle
sustained power something like 500 watts. My friend drives each voice coil
with one channel of a Behringer EP 2500 power amp, the whole subsystem
driven by a DCX 2496 crossover. Thus, amplifier clipping is avoided. ;-)

Because the drivers are mounted on a plenum, the rear of the drivers
including their electrical terminals can be viewed during operation.
Because he had not yet finished the wiring harness, the 12 gauge stranded
wires leading up to the drivers were simply hanging free, supported the
ends, about 2 feet apart.

The unusual effect was that the 12 gauge wires would flex back and forth
maybe an inch, in synchronization with low frequency signals. This was due
to the interaction between the magnetic field created by the current flowing
through the wires, and the stray magnetic field from the driver's magnet
structure.

I think that this rather visible effect creates a product opportunity for
high end audio ragazine advertisers. "Non-flexing" speaker wires will avoid
the clearly audible (to high end audio reviewers) nonlinear distortion
"caused by the flexing of speaker wires" due to this magnetic interaction.
;-)

BTW, the rest of the system was built to a similar standard. The mid-bass
drivers for each channel were 12" JBL speakers that reminded me of the
classic D123 but they are from the professional sound line. The midrange and
tweeters were JBL compression drivers on appropriate JBL constant
directivity horns. Custom-designed active crossovers with acoustic
Linkwitz-Riley type response provided smooth, effortless and highly musical
listening enjoyment at any sane, and quite a few totally insane SPL levels.

Other than the dynamic range and extended bass, one could probably throw an
acoustically transparent cloth over the speakers and convince most
audiophiles that it was a ribbon or other planar array. It was that smooth
and detailed.

The design goal is something like 126+ dB SPL with low distortion from 6 to
20,000 Hz.

You've heard of pants-flapping bass, right? Well, this system takes things
to the next step. It avoids "pants-leg-flapping distortion" by simply moving
you and the heavy wooden deeply upholstered chair you sit in as one unit.

Seriously, deep loud bass notes simply move you and the chair you sit in
over perceptible distances. It reminded me a bit of riding "Mean Streak" at
Cedar Point. Perhaps my friend's subwoofer should be called "The Mean Streak
Subwoofer" ;-)

Who needs a chair shaker when you can shake the whole room?

Harry Lavo
February 11th 08, 02:03 PM
"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
>A friend invited me over last night for the unveiling of his new subwoofer
>array. It is composed of 4 Fi Car Q18 18" drivers mounted on a heavy wood
>plenum that is ducted into his listening room in a corner near his
>upper-range speakers.
>
> The Ficar Q18 drivers have Xmax (linear stroke) or 27 mm or about an inch.
> They have an approximate additional inch of less-linear travel for a total
> of about 2 inch stroke..
>
> Each Ficar Q18 driver has 2 two ohm voice coils that can each handle
> sustained power something like 500 watts. My friend drives each voice
> coil with one channel of a Behringer EP 2500 power amp, the whole
> subsystem driven by a DCX 2496 crossover. Thus, amplifier clipping is
> avoided. ;-)
>
> Because the drivers are mounted on a plenum, the rear of the drivers
> including their electrical terminals can be viewed during operation.
> Because he had not yet finished the wiring harness, the 12 gauge stranded
> wires leading up to the drivers were simply hanging free, supported the
> ends, about 2 feet apart.
>
> The unusual effect was that the 12 gauge wires would flex back and forth
> maybe an inch, in synchronization with low frequency signals. This was due
> to the interaction between the magnetic field created by the current
> flowing through the wires, and the stray magnetic field from the driver's
> magnet structure.
>
> I think that this rather visible effect creates a product opportunity for
> high end audio ragazine advertisers. "Non-flexing" speaker wires will
> avoid the clearly audible (to high end audio reviewers) nonlinear
> distortion "caused by the flexing of speaker wires" due to this magnetic
> interaction. ;-)
>
> BTW, the rest of the system was built to a similar standard. The mid-bass
> drivers for each channel were 12" JBL speakers that reminded me of the
> classic D123 but they are from the professional sound line. The midrange
> and tweeters were JBL compression drivers on appropriate JBL constant
> directivity horns. Custom-designed active crossovers with acoustic
> Linkwitz-Riley type response provided smooth, effortless and highly
> musical listening enjoyment at any sane, and quite a few totally insane
> SPL levels.
>
> Other than the dynamic range and extended bass, one could probably throw
> an acoustically transparent cloth over the speakers and convince most
> audiophiles that it was a ribbon or other planar array. It was that smooth
> and detailed.
>
> The design goal is something like 126+ dB SPL with low distortion from 6
> to 20,000 Hz.
>
> You've heard of pants-flapping bass, right? Well, this system takes things
> to the next step. It avoids "pants-leg-flapping distortion" by simply
> moving you and the heavy wooden deeply upholstered chair you sit in as one
> unit.
>
> Seriously, deep loud bass notes simply move you and the chair you sit in
> over perceptible distances. It reminded me a bit of riding "Mean Streak"
> at Cedar Point. Perhaps my friend's subwoofer should be called "The Mean
> Streak Subwoofer" ;-)
>
> Who needs a chair shaker when you can shake the whole room

Sounds like an experience, Arny. What kind of cabinetry and room position
did the mid/high speakers have?

Arny Krueger
February 11th 08, 02:32 PM
"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..

>> BTW, the rest of the system was built to a similar
>> standard. The mid-bass drivers for each channel were 12"
>> JBL speakers that reminded me of the classic D123 but
>> they are from the professional sound line.

Therefore, they were built to modern standards, while retaining the
origional short voice coil for low distortion.

>> The midrange
>> and tweeters were JBL compression drivers on appropriate
>> JBL constant directivity horns. Custom-designed active
>> crossovers with acoustic Linkwitz-Riley type response
>> provided smooth, effortless and highly musical listening
>> enjoyment at any sane, and quite a few totally insane
>> SPL levels. Other than the dynamic range and extended bass, one
>> could probably throw an acoustically transparent cloth
>> over the speakers and convince most audiophiles that it
>> was a ribbon or other planar array. It was that smooth
>> and detailed.
shaker when you can shake the whole
>> room

> Sounds like an experience, Arny. What kind of cabinetry
> and room position did the mid/high speakers have?

The upper range systems were composed of 4 drivers, each built into uits own
ebony-finished approx 20" wooden cube, stacked vertically. The wooden
cubes were off-the-shelf subwoofer enclosures.

Arny Krueger
February 11th 08, 07:10 PM
"Soundhaspriority" > wrote in message


> Did you notice the "Brown Note" effect?

No, mostly because we didn't try to induce it. I've experienced enough of
the brown note effect to believe that with a little more power for a little
bit longer it would be real. There's a similar effect that involves flow
from the other end of the digestive system.

George M. Middius
February 11th 08, 07:23 PM
TurdBorg tells the amateurs to BACK THE $(*&% OFF!

> > Did you notice the "Brown Note" effect?

> I've experienced enough of the brown note effect

Come on, now Arnii, that's just not true and you know it's not true. As
one of North America's leading turdophiles, you're sworn to pursue every
possible occurrence of the "brown note". Not to mention brown "food",
brown underpants, and brown checks.

Pay no attention to Turdy's disavowals, Morein. Nobody is deeper into
"brown note" investigations than Arnii Krooborg.