HD Protools can be used for professional M/T recorder?

[kj park]

In our studios DASH M/T recorders(Studer D 820 &827) are used for the SSL
4000G Consoles.

As you know DASH heads have their time limitation. If I want to replace
them, I have to pay a lot of money. It costs almost close purchasing new HD3
Protools System(approx. $30,000 in my country).

I am wondering that HD 192 I/O converters have good enough quality regarding
real sound? I am also wondering HD3 is stable in recording and playingback
for the professional sessions?

Please tell me which way is wiser between getting new HD3 system with three
192 I/O's(24 in /48 out) and replacing head blocks of old DASH's?

Anybody, got the commentation regarding the newest design SSL 9000k(mixture
of ssl and protools)? please let me know.

Thanks!

[Scott Dorsey]

kj park > wrote:
>In our studios DASH M/T recorders(Studer D 820 &827) are used for the SSL
>4000G Consoles.
>
>As you know DASH heads have their time limitation. If I want to replace
>them, I have to pay a lot of money. It costs almost close purchasing new HD3
>Protools System(approx. $30,000 in my country).
>
>I am wondering that HD 192 I/O converters have good enough quality regarding
>real sound? I am also wondering HD3 is stable in recording and playingback
>for the professional sessions?

A lot of people use it for professional jobs. It sounds okay, but it's not
a recorder, it's an editing tool that happens to do recording.

>Please tell me which way is wiser between getting new HD3 system with three
>192 I/O's(24 in /48 out) and replacing head blocks of old DASH's?

Do you have to exchange tapes with other folks that use DASH? If so, it
might be work keeping at least one machine around and well-maintained.

Pro Tools can sound good or bad depending on who is using it, but it is
a totally different approach. Digital systems tend to sound as good as
the converters you attach to them, although Pro Tools can degrade the sound
if you do too much manipulation.

>Anybody, got the commentation regarding the newest design SSL 9000k(mixture
>of ssl and protools)? please let me know.

Have you considered the Otari RADAR? Good converters are available. Not
as fancy editing stuff, but if you are using a DASH now, it'll still be a lot
more than you have. And it feels a lot like a tape machine.

I'd send you e-mail, but we basically block all e-mail to and from kornet
because of the amount of Korean spam we get here.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[EggHd]

<< Not to nitpick, but it's really a word processor running an editing program
that happens to record. >>

If you really want to nitpick, it's an internet surfing device that happens to
record.



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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Marc Wielage]

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 9:19:43 -0700, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in message >):

> A lot of people use it for professional jobs. It sounds okay, but it's not
> a recorder, it's an editing tool that happens to do recording.
>-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<

Scott, normally I think you're right about 99% of the time, but I think
ProTools HD sounds a lot better than just "OK." I think you're damning with
faint praise here.

Have you ever actually sat down and used and listened to a ProTools HD
system? On a decent system with which you can actually judge sound quality?


--MFW

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> << Not to nitpick, but it's really a word processor running an editing program
> that happens to record. >>
>
> If you really want to nitpick, it's an internet surfing device that happens to
> record.

It's a breath mint. No, it's a candy mint. No, it's a rectal
suppository.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

[EggHd]

<< It's a breath mint. No, it's a candy mint. No, it's a rectal
suppository. >>

Yum!



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"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Winter]

"Marc Wielage" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 9:19:43 -0700, Scott Dorsey wrote
> (in message >):
>
> > A lot of people use it for professional jobs. It sounds okay, but it's
not
> > a recorder, it's an editing tool that happens to do recording.
> >-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<
>
> Scott, normally I think you're right about 99% of the time, but I think
> ProTools HD sounds a lot better than just "OK." I think you're damning
with
> faint praise here.
>
> Have you ever actually sat down and used and listened to a ProTools HD
> system? On a decent system with which you can actually judge sound
quality?
>
>
> --MFW
>

I'm with Marc. We've had it for about 9 months, it's been solid, it sounds
great to my ears (especially at 96kHz & up), & is easy to work with.
That's Alsiwrote.
--
Winter
www.EMBStudios.com
A World of Good Music

[tomhartman]

Marc Wielage > wrote in message >...
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 9:19:43 -0700, Scott Dorsey wrote
> (in message >):
>
> > A lot of people use it for professional jobs. It sounds okay, but it's not
> > a recorder, it's an editing tool that happens to do recording.
> >-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<
>
> Scott, normally I think you're right about 99% of the time, but I think
> ProTools HD sounds a lot better than just "OK." I think you're damning with
> faint praise here.
>
> Have you ever actually sat down and used and listened to a ProTools HD
> system? On a decent system with which you can actually judge sound quality?
>
>
> --MFW


I've heard things recorded on non HD systems that sound wonderful.
This is all so much posturing its just plain silly. . I tell you
what.....when someone can listen to 10 recordings and tell me every
time which ones were recorded on HD, which on analog, and which on a
RADAR, I will get real excited about all of this. I haven't found
anyone yet who can, and I don't think I ever will. Anyone read L.
Fuston's report??

Scott is right about one thing, it sounds as good as the person
running it, just like everything from a cassette recorder to a Sony 48
track. No big mysteries to any of this.

[EganMedia]

>it's a rectal
>suppository.
>

As opposed to an oral suppository?




Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

[EganMedia]

>I don't mean to single out Scott, but a lot of people bad-mouth ProTools (and
>
>now ProTools HD) around here, and I'm not convinced they're doing it with any
>
>real experience and direct side-by-side comparisons.

You should know there are many reasons to bad mouth PT. I have an HD3/192
system, a mixplus system, and an Mbox on a laptop, and I bad mouth Pro Tools
all the time. I can't stand the way Digi uses its market position to impede
what ought to be the natural evolution of the DAW. Instead of helping develop
a universal inter-program file exchange they lamely implement OMF. They force
the use of their hardware in order to use their software (I can't even get a
pro tools LE session to play back on my laptop withou the Mbox being
connected). Their products are extremely expensive compared to similar spec'd
products. And their arrogant technical support (in my experience) is more
adept at blaming other vendors than helping solve problems.

Nevertheless, the product does what I need it to do. The new HD192 interfaces
sound really good; good enough for me and my clients anyway. Third party TDM
plugins though expensive make the system more powerful than anything else I've
tried. And the user base is so freakin' huge that it really is the defacto
standard. That matters more to me than anything else right now. As I've said
here before, I'm tied to PT for now. As soon as another platform figures out
how to be as useful as PT in the areas that matter most to me, I'm there. I
feel as though I'm in an abusive relationship with Digidesign, but I don't have
anywhere else to turn. Maybe Apple will do to Digi what FCP has been doing to
Avid. I'm just waiting.



Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

[Marc Wielage]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 6:53:48 -0700, EganMedia wrote
(in message >):

> I can't stand the way Digi uses its market position to impede
> what ought to be the natural evolution of the DAW.
>-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<

Oh, no argument there. I'm reminded of the T-shirts I've seen at numerous
MacExpo shows:

"Hate Apple... Love the Mac."

Same thing with ProTools. Digi's marketing policies and other inane
practices over the last 10 years (quietly discontinuing Sound Designer
without a replacement, dumping MasterListCD, etc.) do drive users crazy.

But ProTools HD itself is honestly a very good system. And their telephone
support is tops in my experience.

--MFW

[tomhartman]

Marc Wielage > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 6:53:48 -0700, EganMedia wrote
> (in message >):
>
> > I can't stand the way Digi uses its market position to impede
> > what ought to be the natural evolution of the DAW.
> >-----------------------------<snip>----------------------------<
>
> Oh, no argument there. I'm reminded of the T-shirts I've seen at numerous
> MacExpo shows:
>
> "Hate Apple... Love the Mac."
>
> Same thing with ProTools. Digi's marketing policies and other inane
> practices over the last 10 years (quietly discontinuing Sound Designer
> without a replacement, dumping MasterListCD, etc.) do drive users crazy.
>
> But ProTools HD itself is honestly a very good system. And their telephone
> support is tops in my experience.
>
> --MFW


I have had nothing but superlative results with their support over the
years. They've overnighted me stuff when I was down and spent many
phone calls meticulously helping me out. They have stepped up to the
plate in a big way over and over again. I may have gotten one guy over
the years who had his head up his rear end, and when I mentioned that
to someone, they said he was "gone." The guys there are all musicians
or sound editors and are hip to the fact that these are working tools
that people depend on .

[Winter]

"bill" > wrote in message
...
> Considering Pro Tools is pretty much the industry standard it couldn't be
> too bad.
>
> bill
Although 888s used to be "standard," & they pretty much blew.

--
Winter
www.EMBStudios.com
A World of Good Music