Do you guys ever discuss audio anymore? [Archive]

George M. Middius

February 1st 08, 10:05 PM

Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.

> > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
> >
> > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. *Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD is
> > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for
> > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) *Sigh............
> >
> > > *Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> > > *I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >
> > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned -- one of two
> > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a few
> > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one of
> > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
> >
> > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this path.
>
> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.

The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
hypocrisy.

As far as your notion of "discussion", I would suppress your participation
if I could. However, the best I can do is warn regular people about the
futility of engaging you. Once again, you've misused a common word. How
does it feel to be the dumbest kid in class?

Arny Krueger

February 1st 08, 10:56 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message

> On Feb 1, 12:36 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @
> comcast .
> net> wrote:
>> More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>>
>>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
>>>> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
>>>> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
>>>> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
>>>> Sigh............
>>
>>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
>>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>>
>> Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be
>> warned -- one of two outcomes will befall you. The first
>> possibility is that within a few posts, you'll find
>> you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
>> another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run
>> into one of Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and
>> "morality".
>>
>> Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go
>> down this path.
>
> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.

Actually, its a disgusting example of childish prattle.

> Everyone is an idiot and George's **** doesn't stink....

Say it Scottie, George is the biggest idiot around here.

> This is what you get when
> snuggling down and tolerating the Middiot.

How many of those who tolerate the Middiot are the Middiot's sockpuppets?

> No audio, and nothing but ridicule.

It is all that George is capable of. I've seen those few tiny occasions
where George tried to be serious and about audio. There was nothing wrong
with it, but it was obviously nothing that he was comfortable with. Frankly,
it was OK, but mediocre.

George wants to excel in everything that he does, but all he can do is act
like an a-hole. So he does that. :-(

George M. Middius

February 1st 08, 11:29 PM

Ick. What a mess.

> George is
> George is
> George tried
> George wants

Tell us about the "tube" you have sticking out of your pants, Arnii. ;-)

> How many of those who tolerate the Middiot are the Middiot's sockpuppets?

All of them, of course. And they're all your "enemies", and they're all in
Stereophile's employ, and they all have super-expensive stereos that they
can't appreciate because they're half deaf.

Satisfied, Turdy? ;-)

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 01:13 AM

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Feb 1, 5:18*am, "TT" > wrote:
> > Header says it all!
> >
> > Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very little
> > interest in US internal politics.
> >
> > BTW Arny please keep quiet. *Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD is
> > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for
> > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) *Sigh............
>
> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> While my rig isn't SOTA in many's view I find it does the job well
> enough to my ears.
> It's a Mitsu LT-30 (please don't confuse it with the LT-5, a very
> different beast) with AT OC9 cart.

1. I've read about using one of those Mr. Clean Magic Erasers to brush
one's stylus. Anyone here ever try that?

2. Three great record finds today at our local store:
The Weavers Reunion at Carnegie Hall Part 2 on Vanguard reissue
Belefonte Returns to Carnegie - RCA with Odetta, Chad Mitchell Trio
Khachaturian Masquerade Suite, etc on RCA

Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 01:23 AM

On Feb 1, 2:05*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
>
>
>
> > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>
> > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. *Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD is
> > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for
> > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) *Sigh.............
>
> > > > *Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> > > > *I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>
> > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned -- one of two
> > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a few
> > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one of
> > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
>
> > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this path.
>
> > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>
> The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> hypocrisy.

Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
with my name in it.

Arny Krueger

February 2nd 08, 01:57 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message

> On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @
> comcast . net>
> wrote:
>> Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of
>> third-graders.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>>
>>>>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all
>>>>>> amplifiers sound the same, CD is perfect and the
>>>>>> World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
>>>>>> kook for playing vinyl and your opinion of me is
>>>>>> very low ;-) Sigh............
>>
>>>>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
>>>>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>>
>>>> Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be
>>>> warned -- one of two outcomes will befall you. The
>>>> first possibility is that within a few posts, you'll
>>>> find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
>>>> another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll
>>>> run into one of Scottie's many hangups about "tests"
>>>> and "morality".
>>
>>>> Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to
>>>> go down this path.
>>
>>> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>>
>> The other day you complained about people starting
>> "attack threads" with your name in the subject. This is
>> what regular people understand as hypocrisy.
>
> Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an
> "attack thread"

Jenn with I believe it is 100,000's of posts over more than a decade, I've
done just about anything and everything except use profanity with any
frequency.

So, observing that once upon a time I ranted about an attack thread is
excruciatingly trivial. But that is you Jenn - excruciatingly trivial. It
comes with your desire to emulate the Middiot who is the most trivial of all
but maybe Art and ****R.

> with his name in it. He hated that,

Not at all. The best thread I ever trolled into existance was titled
something like "Have you had a bad krueger experience?". I fanned that fire
into nearly 1,000 posts in 24 hours. Maybe it was more than 1,000 posts.
Just call me the Pied Piper of Usenet. ;-)

> until he started an attack thread with my name in it.

Poor Jenn, the big bad boy hurted you. How many months ago was that, BTW? I
want to know how long I can make it smart! ;-)

George M. Middius

February 2nd 08, 02:14 AM

Jenn said:

> > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> > hypocrisy.
>
> Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> with my name in it.

Certainly, that's well documented. And not just with you -- same thing
with many of the Krooborg's "enemies". Including me, naturally, until the
Beast gave in to his fear and learned to run away from every one of my
posts.

George M. Middius

February 2nd 08, 03:01 AM

Wah-wah-Witless whimpered:

> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> > > hypocrisy.

> > Arny has done the same thing: *Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> > with his name in it. *He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> > with my name in it.

> That's really good Jenn.

Too bad you're afraid to address the legitimate criticism I directed at
you concerning your blatant, tumid hypocrisy. Oh wait, I forgot -- you
don't even know what hypocrisy is. What was I thinking.

> George really loves
> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> nothing wrong his BS.

Uh-oh. Yet another common term Scottie doesn't understand. FYI, mental
midget, "BS" is short for "bull****", and it means blarney or other bushwa
that is intended to mislead or deceive. As you will no doubt fail to
grasp, such an accusation is completely irrelevant to my participation on
RAO.

> You are a bird with his feathers.

You're an idiot with a moron's plumage, cloaked in a retard's costume, and
dragging around an imbecile's baggage.

Harry Lavo

February 2nd 08, 04:18 AM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> ScottW > wrote:
>
>> On Feb 1, 5:18 am, "TT" > wrote:
>> > Header says it all!
>> >
>> > Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very
>> > little
>> > interest in US internal politics.
>> >
>> > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same,
>> > CD is
>> > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
>> > kook for
>> > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) Sigh............
>>
>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>> While my rig isn't SOTA in many's view I find it does the job well
>> enough to my ears.
>> It's a Mitsu LT-30 (please don't confuse it with the LT-5, a very
>> different beast) with AT OC9 cart.
>
> 1. I've read about using one of those Mr. Clean Magic Erasers to brush
> one's stylus. Anyone here ever try that?
>
> 2. Three great record finds today at our local store:
> The Weavers Reunion at Carnegie Hall Part 2 on Vanguard reissue
> Belefonte Returns to Carnegie - RCA with Odetta, Chad Mitchell Trio
> Khachaturian Masquerade Suite, etc on RCA
>
> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.

You've got a couple of classics there...both the Weavers Reunion Part 2 and
Belefonte Returns... are classics both for sound and content.

Don't know about that specific Khachaturian Masquerade, but it is an
exciting piece and if the RCA is up to snuff, probably sounds excellent.
Which orchestra/conductor....Reiner?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:41 AM

On Feb 1, 7:57*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> So, observing that once upon a time I ranted about an attack thread is
> excruciatingly trivial. But that is you Jenn - excruciatingly trivial. It
> comes with your desire to emulate the Middiot who is the most trivial of all
> but maybe Art and ****R.

LOL!

So, GOIA, sice this started out as a plea for audio discussion, and
you've gratuitously thrown my name in, what's the best turntable/arm/
cartridge IYO?

> Not at all. The best thread I ever trolled into existance was titled
> something like "Have you had a bad krueger experience?". I fanned that fire
> into nearly 1,000 posts in 24 hours. Maybe it was more than 1,000 posts.
> Just call me the Pied Piper of Usenet. ;-)

Or maybe many, many people have had a bad GOIA experience. There'e
always that possibility. ;-)

> Poor Jenn, the big bad boy hurted you. How many months ago was that, BTW? I
> want to know how long I can make it smart! ;-)

Do you prefer simple box speakers, dipoles, bipoles, line-arrays, or
what? What is the best-sounding speaker you've ever heard? What was
driving them?

Do you think PP triodes sound better than PP pentodes? I do.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:42 AM

On Feb 1, 8:39*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 5:23*pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 2:05*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ *george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
>
> > > > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>
> > > > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. *Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD is
> > > > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for
> > > > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) *Sigh.............
>
> > > > > > *Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> > > > > > *I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>
> > > > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned -- one of two
> > > > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a few
> > > > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> > > > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one of
> > > > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
>
> > > > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this path.
>
> > > > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>
> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> > > hypocrisy.
>
> > Arny has done the same thing: *Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> > with his name in it. *He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> > with my name in it.
>
> That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> nothing wrong his BS.
> You are a bird with his feathers.

Does this qualify as an 'audio post' to you, 2pid?

I'm just curious when the ROE shifts.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:48 AM

On Feb 1, 4:56*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Say it Scottie, George is the biggest idiot around here.

Why are you trolling 2pid to lie, GOIA?

That's not very 'christian' of you:

"It comes with your desire to emulate the Middiot who is the most
trivial of all
but maybe Art and ****R."

> How many of those who tolerate the Middiot are the Middiot's sockpuppets?

Everybody on RAO is George's sockpuppet. Even JA admitted that he was.

Did you have to change the recommended load on the best cartridge you
ever heard, or did you stick with the factory recommendation?

LOL!

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:19 AM

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Feb 1, 5:23*pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 2:05*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ *george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
> >
> > > > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
> >
> > > > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. *Yes I know all amplifiers sound the
> > > > > > > same, CD is
> > > > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm
> > > > > > > a kook for
> > > > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
> > > > > > > *Sigh............
> >
> > > > > > *Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> > > > > > *I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >
> > > > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned -- one
> > > > > of two
> > > > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a few
> > > > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> > > > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one of
> > > > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
> >
> > > > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this
> > > > > path.
> >
> > > > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
> >
> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> > > hypocrisy.
> >
> > Arny has done the same thing: *Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> > with his name in it. *He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> > with my name in it.
>
> That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> nothing wrong his BS.
> You are a bird with his feathers.
>
> ScottW

lol Thanks for your opinion.

So let's sort this out: You believe that because I don't spend my time
chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers, and my actions with
Arny imply there is nothing wrong with George's actions.

Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:28 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> > On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @
> > comcast . net>
> > wrote:
> >> Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of
> >> third-graders.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
> >>
> >>>>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all
> >>>>>> amplifiers sound the same, CD is perfect and the
> >>>>>> World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
> >>>>>> kook for playing vinyl and your opinion of me is
> >>>>>> very low ;-) Sigh............
> >>
> >>>>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> >>>>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >>
> >>>> Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be
> >>>> warned -- one of two outcomes will befall you. The
> >>>> first possibility is that within a few posts, you'll
> >>>> find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> >>>> another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll
> >>>> run into one of Scottie's many hangups about "tests"
> >>>> and "morality".
> >>
> >>>> Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to
> >>>> go down this path.
> >>
> >>> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
> >>
> >> The other day you complained about people starting
> >> "attack threads" with your name in the subject. This is
> >> what regular people understand as hypocrisy.
> >
> > Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an
> > "attack thread"
>
> Jenn with I believe it is 100,000's of posts over more than a decade, I've
> done just about anything and everything except use profanity with any
> frequency.
>
> So, observing that once upon a time I ranted about an attack thread is
> excruciatingly trivial. But that is you Jenn - excruciatingly trivial. It
> comes with your desire to emulate the Middiot who is the most trivial of all
> but maybe Art and ****R.
>
> > with his name in it. He hated that,
>
> Not at all. The best thread I ever trolled into existance was titled
> something like "Have you had a bad krueger experience?". I fanned that fire
> into nearly 1,000 posts in 24 hours. Maybe it was more than 1,000 posts.
> Just call me the Pied Piper of Usenet. ;-)
>
> > until he started an attack thread with my name in it.
>
> Poor Jenn, the big bad boy hurted you. How many months ago was that, BTW? I
> want to know how long I can make it smart! ;-)

Thanks Arny. As always I'll give your opinions when weight they deserve.

bassett[_2_]

February 2nd 08, 06:31 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "TT" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Header says it all!
>
> It's all about posts like this one of yours:
>
>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
>> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
>> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
>> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
>
> That attitude got RAO where it is. Stop whining about the consequences of
> behavior that you cherish.
>

And like a Rat up a Drainpipe, up he popped. All so bloody predictable
Pathetic really, but then we can't really expect much else.

bassett

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:34 AM

In article >,
"Harry Lavo" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 1, 5:18 am, "TT" > wrote:
> >> > Header says it all!
> >> >
> >> > Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very
> >> > little
> >> > interest in US internal politics.
> >> >
> >> > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same,
> >> > CD is
> >> > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
> >> > kook for
> >> > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) Sigh............
> >>
> >> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> >> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >> While my rig isn't SOTA in many's view I find it does the job well
> >> enough to my ears.
> >> It's a Mitsu LT-30 (please don't confuse it with the LT-5, a very
> >> different beast) with AT OC9 cart.
> >
> > 1. I've read about using one of those Mr. Clean Magic Erasers to brush
> > one's stylus. Anyone here ever try that?
> >
> > 2. Three great record finds today at our local store:
> > The Weavers Reunion at Carnegie Hall Part 2 on Vanguard reissue
> > Belefonte Returns to Carnegie - RCA with Odetta, Chad Mitchell Trio
> > Khachaturian Masquerade Suite, etc on RCA
> >
> > Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
>
> You've got a couple of classics there...both the Weavers Reunion Part 2 and
> Belefonte Returns... are classics both for sound and content.

Indeed. All sound really great, especially Harry.

>
> Don't know about that specific Khachaturian Masquerade, but it is an
> exciting piece and if the RCA is up to snuff, probably sounds excellent.
> Which orchestra/conductor....Reiner?

No, Kondrashin and the "RCA Symphony". As I recall, this was an ad hoc
group of players from the NYPhil, NBC Symphony, the Met, etc. Sounds
really good. The record is a Layton/Mohr production; fine sound.

bassett[_2_]

February 2nd 08, 06:38 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
>> On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @
>> comcast . net>
>> wrote:
>>> Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of
>>> third-graders.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>>>
>>>>>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all
>>>>>>> amplifiers sound the same, CD is perfect and the
>>>>>>> World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
>>>>>>> kook for playing vinyl and your opinion of me is
>>>>>>> very low ;-) Sigh............
>>>
>>>>>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
>>>>>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>>>
>>>>> Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be
>>>>> warned -- one of two outcomes will befall you. The
>>>>> first possibility is that within a few posts, you'll
>>>>> find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
>>>>> another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll
>>>>> run into one of Scottie's many hangups about "tests"
>>>>> and "morality".
>>>
>>>>> Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to
>>>>> go down this path.
>>>
>>>> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>>>
>>> The other day you complained about people starting
>>> "attack threads" with your name in the subject. This is
>>> what regular people understand as hypocrisy.
>>
>> Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an
>> "attack thread"
>
> Jenn with I believe it is 100,000's of posts over more than a decade, I've
> done just about anything and everything except use profanity with any
> frequency.
>
> So, observing that once upon a time I ranted about an attack thread is
> excruciatingly trivial. But that is you Jenn - excruciatingly trivial. It
> comes with your desire to emulate the Middiot who is the most trivial of
> all but maybe Art and ****R.
>
>> with his name in it. He hated that,
>
> Not at all. The best thread I ever trolled into existance was titled
> something like "Have you had a bad krueger experience?". I fanned that
> fire into nearly 1,000 posts in 24 hours. Maybe it was more than 1,000
> posts. Just call me the Pied Piper of Usenet. ;-)
>
>> until he started an attack thread with my name in it.
>
> Poor Jenn, the big bad boy hurted you. How many months ago was that, BTW?
> I want to know how long I can make it smart! ;-)

Is didums upset den, never mind suck your orange, So if you have in fact
done everything as you proclaim, why the **** are you hanging round
here like a festering sore on the arse of society. Now run along and
wash your little hands, mummies got your play lunch on the table..

bassett

Arny Krueger

February 2nd 08, 10:16 AM

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message

>>>>> Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>>
>>>> The other day you complained about people starting
>>>> "attack threads" with your name in the subject. This is
>>>> what regular people understand as hypocrisy.
>>
>>> Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an
>>> "attack thread"
>>
>> Jenn with I believe it is 100,000's of posts over more
>> than a decade, I've done just about anything and
>> everything except use profanity with any frequency.
>>
>> So, observing that once upon a time I ranted about an
>> attack thread is excruciatingly trivial. But that is you
>> Jenn - excruciatingly trivial. It comes with your desire
>> to emulate the Middiot who is the most trivial of all
>> but maybe Art and ****R.
>>
>>> with his name in it. He hated that,
>>
>> Not at all. The best thread I ever trolled into
>> existance was titled something like "Have you had a bad
>> krueger experience?". I fanned that fire into nearly
>> 1,000 posts in 24 hours. Maybe it was more than 1,000
>> posts. Just call me the Pied Piper of Usenet. ;-)
>>
>>> until he started an attack thread with my name in it.
>>
>> Poor Jenn, the big bad boy hurted you. How many months
>> ago was that, BTW? I want to know how long I can make it
>> smart! ;-)

> Arny needs to go home and build a tube amp.

Been there, done that. I was 12 at the time, so I have an excuse. Bret, you
don't.

> They sound better, you know.

LOL!

Arny Krueger

February 2nd 08, 10:18 AM

"bassett" > wrote in message

>
> Is didums upset den, never mind suck your orange, So if
> you have in fact done everything as you proclaim, why
> the **** are you hanging round here like a festering sore on the
> arse of society. Now run along
> and wash your little hands, mummies got your play
> lunch on the table..

Basset, I see that aus.hi-fi has fallen in a hole again. More posts by
aus.hifi guys on RAO than on aus.hi-fi. Go fetch! like a nice little doggie!

Arny Krueger

February 2nd 08, 10:19 AM

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message

> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,

>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.

A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.

> Well, the Vanguard vinyl was generally well pressed.

Agreed. In the early days, so was their Nonesuch brand.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 11:29 AM

On Feb 2, 12:19 am, Jenn > wrote:
> ScottW > wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > > On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> > > wrote:

> > > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> > > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> > > > hypocrisy.
>
> > > Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> > > with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> > > with my name in it.
>
> > That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> > these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> > nothing wrong his BS.
> > You are a bird with his feathers.

> lol Thanks for your opinion.
>
> So let's sort this out: You believe that because I don't spend my time
> chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers, and my actions with
> Arny imply there is nothing wrong with George's actions.
>
> Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
> with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.

By Jove, I think she's got it!

2pid is very good at coming up with new rules that don't pertain to
him. Some may call that "hypocrisy".

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 01:46 PM

On Feb 2, 4:18 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Go fetch! like a nice little doggie!

GOIA, I thought you would be faithful, if nothing else. I was wrong.

2pid will be crushed.

John Atkinson[_2_]

February 2nd 08, 02:35 PM

On Feb 2, 12:48 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 4:56 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > How many of those who tolerate the Middiot are the Middiot's sockpuppets?
>
> Everybody on RAO is George's sockpuppet. Even JA admitted that he was.

Except on days when George is _my_ sockpuppet (Just
feeding GOIA's paranoid frenzy, of course.)

George Middius
Editor, Stereophile

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 03:32 PM

On Feb 2, 8:41*am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> t...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > ScottW > wrote:
>
> >> On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> >> > On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > > Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
>
> >> > > > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
>
> >> > > > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the
> >> > > > > > > same, CD is
> >> > > > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm
> >> > > > > > > a kook for
> >> > > > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
> >> > > > > > > Sigh............
>
> >> > > > > > Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> >> > > > > > I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>
> >> > > > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned -- one
> >> > > > > of two
> >> > > > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a few
> >> > > > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile, as
> >> > > > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one of
> >> > > > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
>
> >> > > > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this
> >> > > > > path.
>
> >> > > > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
>
> >> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads" with
> >> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> >> > > hypocrisy.
>
> >> > Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> >> > with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> >> > with my name in it.
>
> >> That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> >> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> >> nothing wrong his BS.
> >> You are a bird with his feathers.
>
> >> ScottW
>
> > lol *Thanks for your opinion.
>
> > So let's sort this out: *You believe that because I don't spend my time
> > chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers,
>
> No...it's how you've become more than half consumed by Arny.
> Actually Arny did the same thing....
> Giving Arny exactly what he wants, making this group all
> about Arny and little else.
> Crying when Arny snots you while George and the other
> ridiculers get free reign and overtly disdaining audio
> to run off anyone who isn't
> stubborn enough to endure the crap or buckle under to his
> way of thinking on Arny....like you.
>
> Look at this....sssshhhhtard won't even reveal his system
> cuz he doesn't want the ridicule.

Now where did I say that?

> How f'd up is that?

As far as accurately reflecting anything I've ever said, very.

>*Who's going to ridicule it? Arny.
> Why is he afraid of what Arny will say?

He's as "afraid" of GOIA as he is of you. Why do you always assume
"fear" in someone else, 2pid? Jenn and Stephen are afraid of something
(but you won't say what) and now I'm afraid of GOIA.

I guess it takes a 'real' man to 'bravely' lick dog balls.

Now *that's* ****ed up.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 03:43 PM

On Feb 2, 8:42 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> :Does this qualify as an 'audio post' to you, 2pid?
>
> duh.

Just checking. It was looking like you were doing exactly what you
whine about others doing.

That's never happened before, hence my confusion. ;-)

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 03:44 PM

On Feb 2, 8:35*am, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Feb 2, 12:48 am, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
>
> > wrote:
> > On Feb 1, 4:56 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > How many of those who tolerate the Middiot are the Middiot's sockpuppets?
>
> > Everybody on RAO is George's sockpuppet. Even JA admitted that he was.
>
> Except on days when George is _my_ sockpuppet (Just
> feeding GOIA's paranoid frenzy, of course.)
>
> George Middius
> Editor, Stereophile

I lost my schedule. Am I *your* sockpuppet today?

I wish GOIA would troll me so one of you could tell me what to say.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 03:45 PM

On Feb 2, 8:43*am, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Yeah, it's always about someboyd else. *

LOL!

Good one, 2pid.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 04:06 PM

On Feb 2, 9:51*am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in ...
>
> > On Feb 2, 8:42 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:
>
> >> :Does this qualify as an 'audio post' to you, 2pid?
>
> >> duh.
>
> > Just checking. It was looking like you were doing exactly what you
> > whine about others doing.
>
> Duh...I'm not overtly oppressing audio discussion.

Nor are you overty contributing to it.

> > That's never happened before, hence my confusion. ;-)
>
> Typical.

Remove the beam from your eye.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 04:07 PM

On Feb 2, 9:50 am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in

> > Look at this....sssshhhhtard won't even reveal his system
> > cuz he doesn't want the ridicule.
>
> :Now where did I say that?
>
> "I actually choose not to discuss my system here, as some will
> think that I'm bragging, others will turn up their noses, and still
> others may not agree with the choices that I've made."

And that shows "fear of GOIA"? LOL!

> Message ID.
> om
>
> > How f'd up is that?
>
> :As far as accurately reflecting anything I've ever said, very.
>
> Your 3 reasons...bragging, turned up noses, disagreement.

"Fear of GOIA"?

> > Who's going to ridicule it? Arny.

GOIA will think I'm bragging.

> > Why is he afraid of what Arny will say?
>
> :He's as "afraid" of GOIA as he is of you. Why do you always assume
> :"fear" in someone else, 2pid? Jenn and Stephen are afraid of something
> :(but you won't say what) and now I'm afraid of GOIA.
>
> You're the one who won't discuss your audio system on an audio group.
> You explain why.

Um, dummy, you just pasted the reason with message ID and everything.
You just "explained" that it was my fear of GOIA.

As I said, "Why do you always assume "fear" in someone else, 2pid?
Jenn and Stephen are afraid of something (but you won't say what) and
now I'm afraid of GOIA."

LOL! Incredibly, you grow more stupid with each passing day.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:10 PM

On Feb 2, 10:25*am, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Bottom line is this...you won't discuss your gear.

Is that what this forum is for?

> So what are you here for?

Why, to read your insightful propaganda, of course, and then to
correct your mistaken and poorly-thought-out views.

Isn't that why everybody is here?

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 05:14 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
>
>
> >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
>
> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.

lol Yet another troll.

>
> > Well, the Vanguard vinyl was generally well pressed.
>
> Agreed. In the early days, so was their Nonesuch brand.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 05:21 PM

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > ScottW > wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> >> > On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
> >> >
> >> > > > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > same, CD is
> >> > > > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and
> >> > > > > > > I'm
> >> > > > > > > a kook for
> >> > > > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
> >> > > > > > > Sigh............
> >> >
> >> > > > > > Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> >> > > > > > I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >> >
> >> > > > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned --
> >> > > > > one
> >> > > > > of two
> >> > > > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within a
> >> > > > > few
> >> > > > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or imbecile,
> >> > > > > as
> >> > > > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into one
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
> >> >
> >> > > > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down this
> >> > > > > path.
> >> >
> >> > > > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
> >> >
> >> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads"
> >> > > with
> >> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> >> > > hypocrisy.
> >> >
> >> > Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> >> > with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> >> > with my name in it.
> >>
> >> That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> >> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> >> nothing wrong his BS.
> >> You are a bird with his feathers.
> >>
> >> ScottW
> >
> > lol Thanks for your opinion.
> >
> > So let's sort this out: You believe that because I don't spend my time
> > chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers,
>
> No...it's how you've become more than half consumed by Arny.
> Actually Arny did the same thing....
> Giving Arny exactly what he wants, making this group all
> about Arny and little else.

Funny, based on the number of posts, your "conversation" with Shhhh
seems to win the day.

> Crying when Arny snots

Crying? Most would refer to it as "defending oneself".

> you while George and the other
> ridiculers get free reign and overtly disdaining audio
> to run off anyone who isn't
> stubborn enough to endure the crap or buckle under to his
> way of thinking on Arny....like you.

Substitute "Arny" for "George and the other ridiculers" and you have
your actions. I don't know why you can't see that.

>
> Look at this....sssshhhhtard won't even reveal his system
> cuz he doesn't want the ridicule.
> How f'd up is that? Who's going to ridicule it? Arny.
> Why is he afraid of what Arny will say?
> F' if I know...but his acceptance and promotion
> of ridicule with no civility of behavior has turned this
> dump into the Island (LotF), so he is not without
> some responsibility...just as you bear your burden
> wether you admit it or not.
>
>
> > and my actions with
> > Arny imply there is nothing wrong with George's actions.
> >
> > Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
> > with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.
>
> Wonderful rationalization....you obviously need one to justify
> yourself.

It's a perfectly logical comparison.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:38 PM

On Feb 2, 11:21*am, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
>
>
> *"ScottW" > wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote

> > > ScottW > wrote:
>
> > >> On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:

> > > So let's sort this out: *You believe that because I don't spend my time
> > > chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers,
>
> > No...it's how you've become more than half consumed by Arny.
> > Actually Arny did the same thing....
> > Giving Arny exactly what he wants, making this group all
> > about Arny and little else.
>
> Funny, based on the number of posts, your "conversation" with Shhhh
> seems to win the day.

Quit trying to deflect attention away from the finger 2pid is
pointing!

> > Crying when Arny snots
>
> Crying? *Most would refer to it as "defending oneself".

'Crying' to 2pid is what one does when one is 'afraid'. Since you are
'afraid' of something (and nobody but 2pid knows what), you must be
'crying'.

He gets words messed up sometimes.

> > you while George and the other
> > ridiculers get free reign and overtly disdaining audio
> > to run off anyone who isn't
> > stubborn enough to endure the crap or buckle under to his
> > way of thinking on Arny....like you.
>
> Substitute "Arny" for "George and the other ridiculers" and you have
> your actions. *I don't know why you can't see that.

He has a beam in his eye.

> > > and my actions with
> > > Arny imply there is nothing wrong with George's actions.
>
> > > Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
> > > with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.
>
> > Wonderful rationalization....you obviously need one to justify
> > yourself.
>
> It's a perfectly logical comparison.

Which is why 2pid won't be able to see it.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 05:56 PM

On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:

> > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
>
> > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>
> lol Yet another troll.

I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
all the way from Michigan.

That's pretty impressive!

They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
music.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:09 PM

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> >
> > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >
> > lol Yet another troll.
>
> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> all the way from Michigan.
>
> That's pretty impressive!
>
> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> music.

Yes it is. I have the original Harry LS, on a less pristine copy. An
added attraction is that these three great sounding records in wonderful
condition set me back $12 total.

George M. Middius

February 2nd 08, 06:14 PM

Jenn said to Witlessmongrel:

> Substitute "Arny" for "George and the other ridiculers" and you have
> your actions. I don't know why you can't see that.

I think you do. Know why, that is. But you're too polite to say it out
loud.

joe cipale

February 2nd 08, 06:18 PM

On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:
> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
>
> > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> >
> > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >
> > lol Yet another troll.
>
> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> all the way from Michigan.
>
> That's pretty impressive!
>
> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> music.

Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned in quite some
time. I had a number of recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
them go to help pay for college a few years ago.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:44 PM

In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
joe cipale > wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
> > On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> > >
> > > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> > >
> > > lol Yet another troll.
> >
> > I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> > all the way from Michigan.
> >
> > That's pretty impressive!
> >
> > They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> > on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> > music.
>
> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned in quite some
> time. I had a number of recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
> Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
> them go to help pay for college a few years ago.

You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 06:45 PM

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "ScottW" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >> .
> >> net
> >> ...
> >> > In article
> >> > >,
> >> > ScottW > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> >> >> > On Feb 1, 2:05 pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Witless, you're lagging behind the curve of third-graders.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > More posturing from RAO's wannabe-Krooger.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > > > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound
> >> >> > > > > > > the
> >> >> > > > > > > same, CD is
> >> >> > > > > > > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101
> >> >> > > > > > > and
> >> >> > > > > > > I'm
> >> >> > > > > > > a kook for
> >> >> > > > > > > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
> >> >> > > > > > > Sigh............
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > > Sure...what would you like to discuss?
> >> >> > > > > > I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > Whatever you try to "discuss" with Witlessmongrel, be warned --
> >> >> > > > > one
> >> >> > > > > of two
> >> >> > > > > outcomes will befall you. The first possibility is that within
> >> >> > > > > a
> >> >> > > > > few
> >> >> > > > > posts, you'll find you're "discussing" with a moron (or
> >> >> > > > > imbecile,
> >> >> > > > > as
> >> >> > > > > another RAO regular calls him). The second is you'll run into
> >> >> > > > > one
> >> >> > > > > of
> >> >> > > > > Scottie's many hangups about "tests" and "morality".
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > Either way, you'll get disgusted. I advise you not to go down
> >> >> > > > > this
> >> >> > > > > path.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > > Fine example of overt suppression of audio discussion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > The other day you complained about people starting "attack threads"
> >> >> > > with
> >> >> > > your name in the subject. This is what regular people understand as
> >> >> > > hypocrisy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Arny has done the same thing: Ranted about having an "attack thread"
> >> >> > with his name in it. He hated that, until he started an attack thread
> >> >> > with my name in it.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's really good Jenn. George really loves
> >> >> these little Arny tidbits that imply there is
> >> >> nothing wrong his BS.
> >> >> You are a bird with his feathers.
> >> >>
> >> >> ScottW
> >> >
> >> > lol Thanks for your opinion.
> >> >
> >> > So let's sort this out: You believe that because I don't spend my time
> >> > chastising George, I am a bird with his feathers,
> >>
> >> No...it's how you've become more than half consumed by Arny.
> >> Actually Arny did the same thing....
> >> Giving Arny exactly what he wants, making this group all
> >> about Arny and little else.
> >
> > Funny, based on the number of posts, your "conversation" with Shhhh
> > seems to win the day.
> >
> >> Crying when Arny snots
> >
> > Crying? Most would refer to it as "defending oneself".
>
> I call it swallowing his wad.

Well, to each his own.

>
> >
> >> you while George and the other
> >> ridiculers get free reign and overtly disdaining audio
> >> to run off anyone who isn't
> >> stubborn enough to endure the crap or buckle under to his
> >> way of thinking on Arny....like you.
> >
> > Substitute "Arny" for "George and the other ridiculers" and you have
> > your actions. I don't know why you can't see that.
>
> How about Arny & George....except Arny does present an audio
> viewpoint at times with his ridicule. George rarely does.

I agree.

>
> >
> >>
> >> Look at this....sssshhhhtard won't even reveal his system
> >> cuz he doesn't want the ridicule.
> >> How f'd up is that? Who's going to ridicule it? Arny.
> >> Why is he afraid of what Arny will say?
> >> F' if I know...but his acceptance and promotion
> >> of ridicule with no civility of behavior has turned this
> >> dump into the Island (LotF), so he is not without
> >> some responsibility...just as you bear your burden
> >> wether you admit it or not.
> >>
> >>
> >> > and my actions with
> >> > Arny imply there is nothing wrong with George's actions.
> >> >
> >> > Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
> >> > with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.
> >>
> >> Wonderful rationalization....you obviously need one to justify
> >> yourself.
> >
> > It's a perfectly logical comparison.
>
> For a spineless person whose moral standards are built on
> the backs of others behavior.
> Sorry I drag you down.

lol

joe cipale

February 2nd 08, 06:56 PM

On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> joe cipale > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> > > >
> > > > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> > > >
> > > > lol Yet another troll.
> > >
> > > I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> > > all the way from Michigan.
> > >
> > > That's pretty impressive!
> > >
> > > They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> > > on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> > > music.
> >
> > Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned in quite some
> > time. I had a number of recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
> > Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
> > them go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>
> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?

YES! Thank you Jenn.

Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
Place.
Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
Dave Grusin: Discovered Again

Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane. TIme to check
out eBay as I doubt any of these titles would be found in a used record
store here in PDX.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 07:13 PM

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> >> >> >
> >> >> > Based on that, you are a bird with Arny's feathers, and your actions
> >> >> > with Shhhh imply there is nothing wrong with Arny's actions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wonderful rationalization....you obviously need one to justify
> >> >> yourself.
> >> >
> >> > It's a perfectly logical comparison.
> >>
> >> For a spineless person whose moral standards are built on
> >> the backs of others behavior.
> >> Sorry I drag you down.
> >
> > lol
>
> Hey, so far your only justification for yourself is
> I'm just as bad or worse.

No, you don't get it yet.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 07:24 PM

In article <1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt>,
joe cipale > wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > joe cipale > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> > > > >
> > > > > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> > > > >
> > > > > lol Yet another troll.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> > > > all the way from Michigan.
> > > >
> > > > That's pretty impressive!
> > > >
> > > > They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> > > > on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> > > > music.
> > >
> > > Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned in quite some
> > > time. I had a number of recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
> > > Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
> > > them go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >
> > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> Place.
> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>
> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane. TIme to check
> out eBay as I doubt any of these titles would be found in a used record
> store here in PDX.

Great records. Ebay can be a great source, but there are others. Just
search on The Google. You might also try a call to Stereo Unlimited in
San Diego. They have A LOT of those records at decent prices. I don't
know if they do mail order, but it might be worth a try!

Have fun!

joe cipale

February 2nd 08, 07:38 PM

On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 19:24 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> In article <1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt>,
> joe cipale > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > > In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > > joe cipale > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > > > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lol Yet another troll.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard *three* little pops,
> > > > > all the way from Michigan.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's pretty impressive!
> > > > >
> > > > > They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the orginal Belafonte
> > > > > on LS and the "Return" concert on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great
> > > > > music.
> > > >
> > > > Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned in quite some
> > > > time. I had a number of recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
> > > > Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
> > > > them go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> > >
> > > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> > Place.
> > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >
> > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane. TIme to check
> > out eBay as I doubt any of these titles would be found in a used record
> > store here in PDX.
>
> Great records. Ebay can be a great source, but there are others. Just
> search on The Google. You might also try a call to Stereo Unlimited in
> San Diego. They have A LOT of those records at decent prices. I don't
> know if they do mail order, but it might be worth a try!
>
> Have fun!

Thanks for the pointers. I will have to give them a look see.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 07:39 PM

On Feb 2, 1:13*pm, Jenn > wrote:

> No, you don't get it yet.

And he never will.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 07:42 PM

On Feb 2, 12:31*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> For a spineless person whose moral standards are built on
> the backs of others behavior.

I thought we'd been through this, 2pid. Do you realize how hilarious
it is when you pull the 'integrity' card? LOL!

> Sorry I drag you down.

You don't drag anybody "down", 2pid. You're just a drag.

George M. Middius

February 2nd 08, 07:51 PM

Jenn said:

> > Hey, so far your only justification for yourself is
> > I'm just as bad or worse.
>
> No, you don't get it yet.

I have to agree with Scottie here. You are fully aware of his learning
disabilities, his reading comprehension problem, his Asperger's, and his
low IQ. How can you reasonably expect Scottie to learn something like this
after a mere 20 or so repetitions? Your expectations for Scottie's
performance metrics are way out of line, Jenn.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 2nd 08, 07:56 PM

On Feb 2, 12:56 pm, joe cipale > wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:

> > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> Place.

I have King James Version and a Prokofiev/Leinsdorf from Sheffield.
Their catalog was a bit thin IMO, but they do sound good.

Jenn

February 2nd 08, 08:08 PM

In article
>,
"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote:

> On Feb 2, 12:56 pm, joe cipale > wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>
> > > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> > Place.
>
> I have King James Version and a Prokofiev/Leinsdorf from Sheffield.
> Their catalog was a bit thin IMO, but they do sound good.

A friend of mine played clarinet and contracted "Growing Up in Hollywood
Town". He said that all involved (Mayorga, Sax, et al) were great folks.

Yes, their catalogue was limited (they were a very small company located
in Santa Barbara), but they made GREAT sounding records, IMO. The only
one I never warmed up to was the set recorded in Russia.

February 2nd 08, 11:52 PM

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 1, 1:20 pm, ScottW > wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 5:18 am, "TT" > wrote:
>>
>> > Header says it all!
>>
>> > Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very
>> > little
>> > interest in US internal politics.
>>
>> > BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same,
>> > CD is
>> > perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a
>> > kook for
>> > playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) Sigh............
>>
>> Sure...what would you like to discuss?
>> I'm open to vinyl, TT, arm cart discussions.
>> While my rig isn't SOTA in many's view I find it does the job well
>> enough to my ears.
>> It's a Mitsu LT-30 (please don't confuse it with the LT-5, a very
>> different beast) with AT OC9 cart.
>
>
> I tend to junk direct drive Japanese turntables when I get them in
> piles of auction and store buyouts. As far as I am concerned, what
> works is a three point suspended subchassis belt drive with an AC
> synchronous motor.

Now this has sparked my interest ;-) May I ask why you dislike *all*
Japanese DD turntables?

I personally use Technics SL1200 MK2s (I have three and I'm not a DJ) 1
totally standard, 1 I have modified the wiring on to be balanced XLR cable
and painted pretty and the third is an ongoing project where I am fitting my
own design and constructed 450mm tone arm and gimbal. Then, if I am a good
enough machinist I will attempt a tangential design I am formulating.

IMHO the SL1200 is an excellent value for money machine, with excellent
performance. The plinth is well damped and the motor speed is always exact
although the tone arm and especially the gimbal could be better (hence my
project).

So Brett what do you do with all this "junk" you collect?

Regards TT

February 3rd 08, 12:06 AM

"joe cipale" > wrote in message
news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt...

> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc

Hi Joe, was that volume 1, 2 or 3? I have 2 & 3 and 2 is currently the most
expensive LP I have ever bought. Last year for a new, sealed and unplayed
copy I paid US$125 + freight to Australia. BTW that was beating them down a
lot as well ;-) 2 is very well sort after and is very difficult to find so
the moral to the story would, hang on to your old stuff :-)

These direct to disc recordings fascinate me how they are done and what they
sound like. It is shame there is a little bit too much surface noise on
each :-( The joys of vinyl I am afraid.

Cheers TT

February 3rd 08, 12:15 AM

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "TT" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Header says it all!
>>
>> It's all about posts like this one of yours:
>>
>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
>>> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
>>> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
>>> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
>>
>> That attitude got RAO where it is. Stop whining about the consequences of
>> behavior that you cherish.
>>
>
> And like a Rat up a Drainpipe, up he popped. All so bloody predictable
> Pathetic really, but then we can't really expect much else.
>
>
> bassett
Look at the time it took too - 16 minutes!

Cheers TT

February 3rd 08, 03:45 AM

"Bret Ludwig" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> > I tend to junk direct drive Japanese turntables when I get them in
>> > piles of auction and store buyouts. As far as I am concerned, what
>> > works is a three point suspended subchassis belt drive with an AC
>> > synchronous motor.
>>
>> Now this has sparked my interest ;-) May I ask why you dislike *all*
>> Japanese DD turntables?
>>
>> I personally use Technics SL1200 MK2s (I have three and I'm not a DJ) 1
>> totally standard, 1 I have modified the wiring on to be balanced XLR
>> cable
>> and painted pretty and the third is an ongoing project where I am fitting
>> my
>> own design and constructed 450mm tone arm and gimbal. Then, if I am a
>> good
>> enough machinist I will attempt a tangential design I am formulating.
>>
>> IMHO the SL1200 is an excellent value for money machine, with excellent
>> performance. The plinth is well damped and the motor speed is always
>> exact
>> although the tone arm and especially the gimbal could be better (hence my
>> project).
>>
>> So Brett what do you do with all this "junk" you collect?
>
> I generally resell it through means I don't want to get into here but
> which are legal and honest. Yes, I do eBay some of it.
>
> However in the last few years my activity has dropped off
> tremendously. In my area the last of the old stores and repair shops
> have been finally cleaned out with one or two exceptions of hoarders
> who are old and will die. When they do I have their kids' names and
> contact information.
>
> The SL1200 is a good DJ table. I can resell every one I get and then
> some. What I wind up getting are the ones that people don't
> particularly want. I'd rather junk them than make the odd buck and
> have to fart around with them when they are not a benefit to anyone.
>
> I don't think a lot of the SL1200 for serious listening.

I do hear this a lot :-(

> I like belt drive tables a lot better.

IMHO it has more to do with manufactures not wishing to pay Panasonic the
royalties to use their DD system and then discrediting it. *IF* Linn or
Gerard came out with the same ststem would there still be this perception?

> With an AC motor one only has to get the diameters of the pulleys right.

And then overcome the problems of belt slip, stretch and slow start/stop ;-)

Regards TT

Alan Rutlidge

February 3rd 08, 05:05 AM

"TT" > wrote in message
...
>
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt...
>
>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>
>
> Hi Joe, was that volume 1, 2 or 3? I have 2 & 3 and 2 is currently the
> most expensive LP I have ever bought. Last year for a new, sealed and
> unplayed copy I paid US$125 + freight to Australia. BTW that was beating
> them down a lot as well ;-) 2 is very well sort after and is very
> difficult to find so the moral to the story would, hang on to your old
> stuff :-)
>
> These direct to disc recordings fascinate me how they are done and what
> they sound like. It is shame there is a little bit too much surface noise
> on each :-( The joys of vinyl I am afraid.
>
> Cheers TT
>

A relatively recent direct to disc recording is "Carlotta and Friends - Live
in Studio" on the cna:music label. I have seen a few LPs appear for sale
on the Internet with the CD chucked in. Being a relatively new recording
(1999), one might hope the cutting is top notch and the vinyl pressed to a
modern high standard.

I have the same but only in XRCD2. Great demo disc. Not just technically
brilliant, fantastic dynamics and the artistry of the performers is pretty
darn good too. :-)

Cheers,
Alan

Alan Rutlidge

February 3rd 08, 05:07 AM

"Alan Rutlidge" > wrote in message
...
>
> "TT" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt...
>>
>>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>>
>>
>> Hi Joe, was that volume 1, 2 or 3? I have 2 & 3 and 2 is currently the
>> most expensive LP I have ever bought. Last year for a new, sealed and
>> unplayed copy I paid US$125 + freight to Australia. BTW that was beating
>> them down a lot as well ;-) 2 is very well sort after and is very
>> difficult to find so the moral to the story would, hang on to your old
>> stuff :-)
>>
>> These direct to disc recordings fascinate me how they are done and what
>> they sound like. It is shame there is a little bit too much surface
>> noise on each :-( The joys of vinyl I am afraid.
>>
>> Cheers TT
>>
>
> A relatively recent direct to disc recording is "Carlotta and Friends -
> Live in Studio" on the cna:music label. I have seen a few LPs appear for
> sale on the Internet with the CD chucked in. Being a relatively new
> recording (1999), one might hope the cutting is top notch and the vinyl
> pressed to a modern high standard.
>
> I have the same but only in XRCD2. Great demo disc. Not just technically
> brilliant, fantastic dynamics and the artistry of the performers is pretty
> darn good too. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>

Ooops. A typo error. Should read "Friends of Carlotta".

Cheers,
Alan

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 3rd 08, 09:23 AM

On Feb 2, 9:45*pm, "TT" > wrote:

> And then overcome the problems of belt slip, stretch and slow start/stop ;-)

Somebody better tell those Thorens TD-124 and Garrard 301 fans. Then
maybe the price on those "terrible" idler wheel drive TTs will come
down to DD levels. :-)

Arny Krueger

February 3rd 08, 12:47 PM

"joe cipale" > wrote in message
news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
>> joe cipale > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
>>> to Reason! wrote:
>>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
>>>>>
>>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>>>>>
>>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
>>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty impressive!
>>>>
>>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
>>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
>>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>>>
>>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
>>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
>>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
>>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
>>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>>
>> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> From A Good Place.
> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>
> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> would be found in a used record store here in PDX.

The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.

Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual of
playing vinyl.

February 3rd 08, 01:14 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual
> of playing vinyl.
It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you would not even consider
that possibilty.

TT

joe cipale

February 3rd 08, 04:01 PM

On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 11:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:
> On Feb 2, 12:56 pm, joe cipale > wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>
> > > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> > Place.
>
> I have King James Version and a Prokofiev/Leinsdorf from Sheffield.
> Their catalog was a bit thin IMO, but they do sound good.

:( the King James release went out of print before I could buy a copy.
This was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before the days of CL and/or eBay,
(1979).

joe cipale

February 3rd 08, 04:04 PM

On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 09:06 +0900, TT wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt...
>
> > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>
>
> Hi Joe, was that volume 1, 2 or 3? I have 2 & 3 and 2 is currently the most
> expensive LP I have ever bought. Last year for a new, sealed and unplayed
> copy I paid US$125 + freight to Australia. BTW that was beating them down a
> lot as well ;-) 2 is very well sort after and is very difficult to find so
> the moral to the story would, hang on to your old stuff :-)
>
> These direct to disc recordings fascinate me how they are done and what they
> sound like. It is shame there is a little bit too much surface noise on
> each :-( The joys of vinyl I am afraid.
>
> Cheers TT
>
>

I had all three at one time. I paid $35.00/LP at the time. My (new) wife
(same as my current wife) couldn't understand why I would spend so much
on one record. I told her it was better I spend it on records and
electronics then on bars and alcohol. Now she complains about the number
of bikes I own. Ya just cant please em... =)

Jenn

February 3rd 08, 04:11 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> >> joe cipale > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> >>> to Reason! wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >>>>
> >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >>>
> >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >>
> >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > From A Good Place.
> > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >
> > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>
> The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
>
> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual of
> playing vinyl.

I disagree. The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records.
"Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best sounding
sources I've ever heard outside of live. I was never impressed with the
CDs. There's one exception, IMO: The Russian sessions sound pretty
much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.

Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
THEM.

George M. Middius

February 3rd 08, 04:18 PM

Jenn said:

> > The CD versions sound better

> I disagree.

Irrelavant™. The Krooborg has already-factuated the well-known true-fact
that the CD sounds better to all listeners on all equipment in all rooms.
Thnak's Jennn for, admittong Jneen that your out-of-touch with the
grate-majority on this-issue Jen.

Arny Krueger

February 3rd 08, 07:18 PM

"TT" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.

> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you would
> not even consider that possibilty.

Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?

Arny Krueger

February 3rd 08, 07:18 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>>>> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
>>>> joe cipale > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm
>>>>> Listening to Reason! wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great
>>>>>>>>>> finds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
>>>>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's pretty impressive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
>>>>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
>>>>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
>>>>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
>>>>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
>>>>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
>>>>> them go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>>>
>>> YES! Thank you Jenn.
>>>
>>> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
>>> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
>>> From A Good Place.
>>> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
>>> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
>>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>>> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>>>
>>> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
>>> TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
>>> would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>>
>> The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to
>> find.
>>
>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.

> I disagree.

Of course.

joe cipale

February 3rd 08, 07:29 PM

On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 14:18 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> "TT" > wrote in message
>
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
> >> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>
> > It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you would
> > not even consider that possibilty.
>
> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>
>
For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl source seems to me
no better then the current poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured
already.

Of course... I already assume your mileage is varied.

Jenn

February 3rd 08, 07:29 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> >> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> >>>> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> >>>> joe cipale > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm
> >>>>> Listening to Reason! wrote:
> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> >>>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great
> >>>>>>>>>> finds.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> >>>>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> >>>>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> >>>>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> >>>>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> >>>>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> >>>>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let
> >>>>> them go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >>>
> >>> YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >>>
> >>> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> >>> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> >>> From A Good Place.
> >>> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> >>> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> >>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> >>> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> >>> TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> >>> would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
> >>
> >> The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to
> >> find.
> >>
> >> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
> >> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>
> > I disagree.
>
> Of course.

Sure of course, because I like the sound of the SL LPs more than I like
the sound of their CDs.

Arny Krueger

February 3rd 08, 09:45 PM

"joe cipale" > wrote in message
news:1202066961.6305.4.camel@humboldt
> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 14:18 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "TT" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>>
>>> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
>>> would not even consider that possibilty.
>>
>> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>>
>>
> For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl
> source seems to me no better then the current
> poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured already.

You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs have quality problems.
Of course they don't.

I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over and over again,
because after all they will tell any lie in the interest of forcing vinyl
down our throats.

Arny Krueger

February 3rd 08, 09:47 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in
message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "Jenn" > wrote in
>> message
>>
>>> In article
>>> >, "Arny
>>> Krueger" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>>>> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
>>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>>>>>> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
>>>>>> joe cipale > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm
>>>>>>> Listening to Reason! wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great
>>>>>>>>>>>> finds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
>>>>>>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's pretty impressive!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
>>>>>>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert
>>>>>>>> on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label
>>>>>>> mentioned in quite some time. I had a number of
>>>>>>> recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
>>>>>>> Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda
>>>>>>> McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them go to help pay for
>>>>>>> college a few years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> YES! Thank you Jenn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
>>>>> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
>>>>> From A Good Place.
>>>>> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
>>>>> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
>>>>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>>>>> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory
>>>>> lane. TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these
>>>>> titles would be found in a used record store here in
>>>>> PDX.
>>>>
>>>> The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to
>>>> find.
>>>>
>>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>>
>>> I disagree.
>>
>> Of course.
>
> Sure of course, because I like the sound of the SL LPs
> more than I like the sound of their CDs.

Of course.

For grins Jenn, you should try manifesting some behavior that can't be
predicted with such perfect accuracy as this.

Jenn

February 3rd 08, 10:02 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in
> message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" > wrote in
> >> message
> >> .
> >> net
> >>> In article
> >>> >, "Arny
> >>> Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> >>>> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> >>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> >>>>>> joe cipale > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm
> >>>>>>> Listening to Reason! wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> >>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great
> >>>>>>>>>>>> finds.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> >>>>>>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> >>>>>>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert
> >>>>>>>> on a Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label
> >>>>>>> mentioned in quite some time. I had a number of
> >>>>>>> recordings from them years ago. Including a Dave
> >>>>>>> Grusin and several Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda
> >>>>>>> McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them go to help pay for
> >>>>>>> college a few years ago.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> >>>>> Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> >>>>> From A Good Place.
> >>>>> Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> >>>>> Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> >>>>> Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> >>>>> Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory
> >>>>> lane. TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these
> >>>>> titles would be found in a used record store here in
> >>>>> PDX.
> >>>>
> >>>> The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to
> >>>> find.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
> >>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
> >>
> >>> I disagree.
> >>
> >> Of course.
> >
> > Sure of course, because I like the sound of the SL LPs
> > more than I like the sound of their CDs.
>
> Of course.
>
> For grins Jenn, you should try manifesting some behavior that can't be
> predicted with such perfect accuracy as this.

Well, thanks for your highly valued opinion. Had the subject been
Columbia LPs of the 70s and 80s vs. their CD counterparts, my opinion
would have been different.

George M. Middius

February 3rd 08, 10:41 PM

The Krooborg is ba-a-a-ack from chu-u-u-u-urch!

> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs have quality problems.

Don't be silly, Turdy. CDs have always been a boon to consumers compared
to the media available in the past. Aside from the stupid decisions made
by many people who do the mastering, the only lingering problem CDs suffer
from is their hypnotic effect on the 'borg colonies. Saying "digital" to a
music-hating 'borg like yourself is tantamount to dropping turds into a
meadow full of flies.

February 3rd 08, 11:20 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
:
: For grins Jenn, you should try manifesting some behavior
that can't be
: predicted with such perfect accuracy as this.
:
Whhhhhaaaaaaaatttt!!!!! If Pavlov had you there would have
been no need to use dogs! You are the most predictable
person on the planet.

CD (ring). Digital (ring). Vinyl (ring). ABX(ring). Like
a flash Arny you're there - *everytime*. Predictable just
doesn't describe your behaviour well enough. Applying
Newtons 3rd law would be more apt ;-) Every statement about
vinyl or CD/digital requires an equal and opposite reaction
;-)

TT

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 12:02 AM

On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > >> *joe cipale > wrote:
>
> > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> > >>>> > wrote:
> > >>>>> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> > >>>>>>> > wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. *Great finds.
>
> > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>
> > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>
> > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>
> > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
>
> > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>
> > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>
> > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > > From A Good Place.
> > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>
> > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>
> > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
>
> > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual of
> > playing vinyl.
>
> I disagree. *The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records. *
> "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best sounding
> sources I've ever heard outside of live. *I was never impressed with the
> CDs. *There's one exception, IMO: *The Russian sessions sound pretty
> much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
>
> Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
>
>

I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
both in performance and sound quality.

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 12:04 AM

On 3 Feb, 14:18, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?

Why transcribe an LP when you already have the LP.
other than to play it in your car or PC.

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 12:07 AM

On 3 Feb, 16:45, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs have quality problems.
> Of course they don't.

other than thay are cd's, they have no quality problems

>
> *I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over and over again,
> because after all they will tell any lie in the interest of forcing vinyl
> down our throats.-

Just who is forcing vinyl down your throat?
How is thsi happening?
Is your wife force feeding you pieces of plastic with yourt breakfast?

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 12:07 AM

On 3 Feb, 16:47, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>
> For grins Jenn, you should try manifesting some behavior that can't be
> predicted with such perfect accuracy as this

I love you, Arny.
Happy now?-

-

February 4th 08, 12:39 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
: "TT" > wrote in message
:
: > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >>
: >>
: >> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
: >> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
:
: > It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
would
: > not even consider that possibilty.
:
: Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
:
Who was talking about transcribing LPs to CD??? I said it
is possible that you can enjoy the ritual of playing vinyl
and at the same time enjoy the music from it.

TT

Jenn

February 4th 08, 12:52 AM

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > > >> *joe cipale > wrote:
> >
> > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> > > >>>> > wrote:
> > > >>>>> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. *Great finds.
> >
> > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >
> > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >
> > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >
> > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >
> > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >
> > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >
> > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > > > From A Good Place.
> > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >
> > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
> >
> > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
> >
> > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual
> > > of
> > > playing vinyl.
> >
> > I disagree. *The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records. *
> > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best sounding
> > sources I've ever heard outside of live. *I was never impressed with the
> > CDs. *There's one exception, IMO: *The Russian sessions sound pretty
> > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
> >
> > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
> >
> >
>
> I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
> both in performance and sound quality.

I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home.
Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. The
Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 01:30 AM

On 3 Feb, 19:52, Jenn > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> > > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > > > >> *joe cipale > wrote:
>
> > > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> > > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> > > > >>>> > wrote:
> > > > >>>>> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> > > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. *Great finds.
>
> > > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>
> > > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>
> > > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> > > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>
> > > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
>
> > > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> > > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> > > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>
> > > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> > > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> > > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> > > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> > > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>
> > > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> > > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> > > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > > > > From A Good Place.
> > > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>
> > > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>
> > > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
>
> > > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual
> > > > of
> > > > playing vinyl.
>
> > > I disagree. *The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records. *
> > > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> > > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best sounding
> > > sources I've ever heard outside of live. *I was never impressed with the
> > > CDs. *There's one exception, IMO: *The Russian sessions sound pretty
> > > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
>
> > > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> > > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> > > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
>
> > I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
> > both in performance and sound quality.
>
> I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
> record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home. *
> Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. *The
> Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.- Ascunde citatul -
\

"At least" you can disagree with me without fear that I will accuse
you
of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).

Jenn

February 4th 08, 01:38 AM

In article
>,
Clyde Slick > wrote:

> On 3 Feb, 19:52, Jenn > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> > > > In article >,
> > > > *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> > > > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > > > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > > > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > > > > >> *joe cipale > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> > > > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> > > > > >>>> > wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> > > > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. *Great finds.
> >
> > > > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >
> > > > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> > > > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >
> > > > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >
> > > > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> > > > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> > > > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >
> > > > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> > > > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> > > > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> > > > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> > > > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >
> > > > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >
> > > > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >
> > > > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > > > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > > > > > From A Good Place.
> > > > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > > > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > > > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > > > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >
> > > > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > > > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > > > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
> >
> > > > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
> >
> > > > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the
> > > > > ritual
> > > > > of
> > > > > playing vinyl.
> >
> > > > I disagree. *The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records. *
> > > > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> > > > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best
> > > > sounding
> > > > sources I've ever heard outside of live. *I was never impressed with
> > > > the
> > > > CDs. *There's one exception, IMO: *The Russian sessions sound pretty
> > > > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
> >
> > > > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> > > > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> > > > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
> >
> > > I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
> > > both in performance and sound quality.
> >
> > I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
> > record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home. *
> > Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. *The
> > Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.- Ascunde citatul -
> \
>
> "At least" you can disagree with me without fear that I will accuse
> you
> of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).

Absolutely true. Or lying, note.

Arny Krueger

February 4th 08, 01:39 AM

"TT" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "TT" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>>
>>> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
>>> would not even consider that possibilty.
>>
>> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>>
> Who was talking about transcribing LPs to CD??? I said it
> is possible that you can enjoy the ritual of playing vinyl
> and at the same time enjoy the music from it.

You call that cloud of noise and distortion that is an inherent part of the
LP *music*?

LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 01:41 AM

On Feb 3, 6:47*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>
> news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> >> *joe cipale > wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> >>> to Reason! wrote:
> >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> *"Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> >>>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. *Great finds.
>
> >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>
> >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>
> >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>
> >>>> That's pretty impressive!
>
> >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>
> >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>
> >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> > YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > From A Good Place.
> > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>
> > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>
> The CD versions sound better

To you...

> , and are generally easy to find.
>
> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the ritual of
> playing vinyl.

Have you ever considered that some people may disagree with you?

You'll have to ask "the kid" about snot.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 01:43 AM

On Feb 3, 3:45*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>
> news:1202066961.6305.4.camel@humboldt
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 14:18 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "TT" > wrote in message
>
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> >>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
> >>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>
> >>> It is possible to have both. *I'm assuming that you
> >>> would not even consider that possibilty.
>
> >> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>
> > For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl
> > source seems to me no better then the current
> > poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured already.
>
> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs have quality problems.
> Of course they don't.
>
> *I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over and over again,
> because after all they will tell any lie in the interest of forcing vinyl
> down our throats.

Just like all those 20-year-olds "lie" about their MP3 players being
"good enough" for them.

I sure hate having poor-quality MP3s being lied about and "shoved down
my throat".

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 01:46 AM

On Feb 3, 7:30*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:

> "At least" you can disagree with me without fear that I will accuse
> you
> of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).

2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.

February 4th 08, 01:48 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
. ..
: "TT" > wrote in message
:
: > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
: > . ..
: >> "TT" > wrote in message
: >>
: >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
: >>> ...
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
: >>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
: >>
: >>> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
: >>> would not even consider that possibilty.
: >>
: >> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
: >>
: > Who was talking about transcribing LPs to CD??? I said
it
: > is possible that you can enjoy the ritual of playing
vinyl
: > and at the same time enjoy the music from it.
:
: You call that cloud of noise and distortion that is an
inherent part of the
: LP *music*?
:
: LOL!
:
There are several people here that will beg to differ - me
included.

TT

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 02:45 AM

On Feb 3, 10:01*am, joe cipale > wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 11:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 2, 12:56 pm, joe cipale > wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>
> > > > You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>
> > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
>
> > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming From A Good
> > > Place.
>
> > I have King James Version and a Prokofiev/Leinsdorf from Sheffield.
> > Their catalog was a bit thin IMO, but they do sound good.
>
> :( the King James release went out of print before I could buy a copy.
> This was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before the days of CL and/or eBay,
> (1979).

I bought mine used a couple of years ago. I think you could find a
nice copy if you looked, regardless if whether or not GOIA thinks you
should...:-)

Arny Krueger

February 4th 08, 03:10 AM

"TT" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> "TT" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> "TT" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
>>>>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
>>>>
>>>>> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
>>>>> would not even consider that possibilty.
>>>>
>>>> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>>>>
>>> Who was talking about transcribing LPs to CD??? I said
>>> it is possible that you can enjoy the ritual of playing
>>> vinyl and at the same time enjoy the music from it.
>>
>> You call that cloud of noise and distortion that is an
>> inherent part of the LP *music*?
>>
>> LOL!
>>
> There are several people here that will beg to differ - me
> included.

Differ about whether or not the noise and distortion exists?

Or do you differ and think that the noise and distortion is music?

joe cipale

February 4th 08, 03:37 AM

On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 16:45 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> news:1202066961.6305.4.camel@humboldt
> > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 14:18 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "TT" > wrote in message
> >>
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Now you have to figure out whether its the music you
> >>>> like, or the ritual of playing vinyl.
> >>
> >>> It is possible to have both. I'm assuming that you
> >>> would not even consider that possibilty.
> >>
> >> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
> >>
> >>
> > For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl
> > source seems to me no better then the current
> > poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured already.
>
> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs have quality problems.
> Of course they don't.
>
> I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over and over again,
> because after all they will tell any lie in the interest of forcing vinyl
> down our throats.

Please... do me, yourself, and the rest of us a favor and stop reading
things into my posts that are not there. I have many CDs and many vinyl
recordings. I am not nor do I portend to be a bigot of any sort. Other
than ignoring the rants of jackasses.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 03:47 AM

On Feb 3, 9:10*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "TT" > wrote in message

> > There are several people here that will beg to differ - me
> > included.
>
> Differ about whether or not the noise and distortion exists?

Nope.

> Or do you differ and think that the noise and distortion is music?

I don't think it necessarily detracts from an enjoyable musical
experience. Researchers who study audio seem to agree with me.

So what kind of music have you been listening to recently, GOIA?

February 4th 08, 04:07 AM

"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" >
wrote in message
...
On Feb 3, 9:10 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "TT" > wrote in message

> > There are several people here that will beg to differ -
> > me
> > included.
>
> Differ about whether or not the noise and distortion
> exists?

Nope.

> Or do you differ and think that the noise and distortion
> is music?

I don't think it necessarily detracts from an enjoyable
musical
experience. Researchers who study audio seem to agree with
me.

So what kind of music have you been listening to recently,
GOIA?

Only test tones ;-) Although he did have that real hit
recording of "Keys gangling" a while ago.

Cheers TT

George M. Middius

February 4th 08, 04:32 AM

joe cipale said to The Big ****:

> > I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over and over again,
> > because after all they will tell any lie in the interest of forcing vinyl
> > down our throats.

> Please... do me, yourself, and the rest of us a favor and stop reading
> things into my posts that are not there.

Excuse me, but why do you believe you're entitled to special treatment
from the Krooborg?

> I have many CDs and many vinyl
> recordings. I am not nor do I portend to be a bigot of any sort.

Irrelavant™. Turdborg awards the coveted "vinyl bigot" label to any Normal
who doesn't condemn the hated vinyl medium frequently, vociferously,
obstreperously, and with extreme and irrational prejudice.

George M. Middius

February 4th 08, 04:32 AM

Bratzi turns on his erstwhile role model.

> > A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.

> Odds are her hearing is better than yours.

Well, naturally. Krooger's ears are stuffed with turds.

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 04:39 AM

On 3 Feb, 20:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:30*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > "At least" you can disagree with me without fear that I will accuse
> > you
> > of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).
>
> 2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.

there ya go agin.
it males you look really smart and way cool.

George M. Middius

February 4th 08, 04:48 AM

Clyde Slick said:

> > > of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).
> >
> > 2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.

> there ya go agin.
> it males you look really smart and way cool.

Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.

Clyde Slick

February 4th 08, 04:51 AM

On 3 Feb, 23:48, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).
>
> > > 2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.
> > there ya go agin.
> > it males you look really smart and way cool.
>
> Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.

"I lick doggie balls"
good, now you and Shhhh! can act stupid towards me.
I haven't decided about the cheese yet.

George M. Middius

February 4th 08, 05:37 AM

Clyde Slick said:

> > Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.

> "I lick doggie balls"

Yes, that's pretty much an accurate quote.

> good, now you and Shhhh! can act stupid towards me.
> I haven't decided about the cheese yet.

Bratzi will be thrilled to hear that.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 08:28 AM

On Feb 3, 10:51*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 3 Feb, 23:48, George M. Middius <cmndr _ *george @ comcast . net>
> wrote:

> > Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.
>
> "I lick doggie balls"
> good, now you and Shhhh! can act stupid towards me.
> I haven't decided about the cheese yet.

I suppose *acting* stupid is better than *being* stupid.

You can, of course, be friends with whomever you want to.

Arny Krueger

February 4th 08, 02:39 PM

"joe cipale" > wrote in message
news:1202096265.8628.1.camel@humboldt
> On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 16:45 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>> news:1202066961.6305.4.camel@humboldt

>>>> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
>
>>> For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl
>>> source seems to me no better then the current
>>> poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured already.

>> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs
>> have quality problems. Of course they don't.

>> I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over
>> and over again, because after all they will tell any lie
>> in the interest of forcing vinyl down our throats.
>
> Please... do me, yourself, and the rest of us a favor and
> stop reading things into my posts that are not there.

But it was there.

> I have many CDs and many vinyl recordings.

I have many CDs and vinyl recordings. So what?

> I am not nor do I portend to be a bigot of any sort.

Ever see a bigot admit to it?

> Other than ignoring the rants of jackasses.

Meaning what?

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 03:45 PM

On Feb 4, 8:39*am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message

> > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 16:45 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "joe cipale" > wrote in message

> > Please... do me, yourself, and the rest of us a favor and
> > stop reading things into my posts that are not there.
>
> But it was there.

GOIA, Defender of Digital! He'll even lie to defend it!

> > I have many CDs and many vinyl recordings.
>
> I have many CDs and vinyl recordings. So what?

So some people can listen to and enjoy both. You can't.

BTW, you're lying. You claimed you sold your LPs off, along with your
turntable:

Message-ID: >

"I sold my Thorens/SME setup along with all my vinyl. By getting into
digital ahead of the wave I got pretty good money for it."

Why are you lying, GOIA? What would your pastor say about that?

> > I am not nor do I portend to be a bigot of any sort.
>
> Ever see a bigot admit to it?

"You are a bigot."

"No I'm not."

"Have you ever seen a bigot admit it? Therefore, you're a bigot."

LOL! I thought you said you understood logic, GOIA. But then again,
you're a proven liar. I just proved it. ;-)

You remind me of the scene in "Life of Brian" where Brian tries to
deny being the Messiah. Some guy quotes the scripture and says "It is
prophesied that the true Messiah will deny that he is." Brian says,
"OK, I am the Messiah." Everybody says, "He IS the Messiah!"

> > Other than ignoring *the rants of jackasses.
>
> Meaning what?

That you're an ignorant jackass? And that he's going to ignore you?

And you're a liar.

Harry Lavo

February 4th 08, 04:27 PM

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>> On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
>> > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
>> > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
>> > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
>> > > >> joe cipale > wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
>> > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
>> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
>> > > >>>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
>> > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
>> >
>> > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
>> >
>> > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
>> >
>> > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
>> > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
>> >
>> > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
>> >
>> > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
>> > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
>> > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
>> >
>> > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
>> > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
>> > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
>> > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
>> > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
>> >
>> > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
>> >
>> > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
>> >
>> > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
>> > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
>> > > > From A Good Place.
>> > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
>> > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
>> > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
>> > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
>> >
>> > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
>> > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
>> > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
>> >
>> > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
>> >
>> > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the
>> > > ritual
>> > > of
>> > > playing vinyl.
>> >
>> > I disagree. The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records.
>> > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
>> > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best
>> > sounding
>> > sources I've ever heard outside of live. I was never impressed with the
>> > CDs. There's one exception, IMO: The Russian sessions sound pretty
>> > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
>> >
>> > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
>> > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
>> > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
>> both in performance and sound quality.
>
> I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
> record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home.
> Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. The
> Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.

I've always thought this recording sounded dry and "studio-y". The
performance *is* good, though, although I prefer an earlier (mono) recording
on Capital by Steinberg/Pittsburgh Symphony.

Never cared for Lincoln Mayorga, but Amanda McBroom's singing is absolutely
first rate, as is the sound.

And the Harry James recordings are simply not duplicable.

These Sheffields and others still have pride of place in the "audiophile"
section of my music shelves.

Jenn

February 4th 08, 06:33 PM

In article
>,
ScottW > wrote:

> On Feb 3, 8:51*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> > On 3 Feb, 23:48, George M. Middius <cmndr _ *george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Clyde Slick said:
> >
> > > > > > of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).
> >
> > > > > 2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.
> > > > there ya go agin.
> > > > it males you look really smart and way cool.
> >
> > > Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.
> >
> > "I lick doggie balls"
> > good, now you and Shhhh! can act stupid towards me.
>
>
> Lol... For the record....
> ssshhhhtard said, "have you stopped....."
> I said, "Can't stop what I never started".
>
> Of course the kiddies like to truncate their brains
> and this is what we get.
>
> ScottW
>
> > I haven't decided about the cheese yet.
>
> Try hot cheese whiz...

Eeuuuuuuuuu!

George M. Middius

February 4th 08, 06:42 PM

Yapper lied:

> ssshhhhtard said, "have you stopped....."
> I said, "Can't stop what I never started".

Lie.

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 08:07 PM

On Feb 4, 12:31*pm, ScottW > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 8:51*pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 3 Feb, 23:48, George M. Middius <cmndr _ *george @ comcast . net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > > > > of admitting to sucking doggie balls (with or without cheese).
>
> > > > > 2pid amitted to it. Bratzi said so with no prompting whatsoever.
> > > > there ya go agin.
> > > > it males you look really smart and way cool.
>
> > > Um, Clyde, Scottie *did* say it. You're in denial, like totally.
>
> > "I lick doggie balls"
> > good, now you and Shhhh! can act stupid towards me.
>
> Lol... For the record....

Your record needs a cleaning. The fidelity is way off.

> ssshhhhtard said, "have you stopped....."
> I said, "Can't stop what I never started".

You said "No". For the record.

> Of course the kiddies like to truncate their brains
> and this is what we get.

Ah, yes, 2pid. You are the epitome of sensibility, morality and
maturity. LOL!

> > I haven't decided about the cheese yet.
>
> *Try hot cheese whiz...

Is that what all the "professional" ball-lickers use, 2pid? I thought
you just tried to deny...

Never mind. You'll just try to deny you said it...again.

LOL!

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!

February 4th 08, 08:13 PM

On Feb 4, 12:42*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:
> Yapper lied:
>
> > ssshhhhtard said, "have you stopped....."
> > I said, "Can't stop what I never started".
>
> Lie.

And now 2pid admits to ball-licking...again.

Me: "Bratzi asked a man to lick the cheese off his balls with no
prompting."

Clyde: "I haven't decided about the cheese yet."

2pid: "Try hot Cheese Whiz."

Ah, our dear 2pid. He's apparently switched from ass-lickings to ball-
lickings. Perhaps he should 'discuss' the pros and cons of each.

lol Lol LoL lOl LOL!

Eeyore

February 5th 08, 07:52 AM

TT wrote:

> Header says it all!

I agree.

> Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very little
> interest in US internal politics.
>
> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD is
> perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for
> playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) Sigh............

The CP101 was bad even at the time !

Graham

February 5th 08, 10:58 AM

"Eeyore" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> TT wrote:
>
>> Header says it all!
>
> I agree.
>
>
>> Please note: There are some people in the World that really have very
>> little
>> interest in US internal politics.
>>
>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers sound the same, CD
>> is
>> perfect and the World's best CD player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook
>> for
>> playing vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-) Sigh............
>
> The CP101 was bad even at the time !
>
> Graham
>
Yep, with it's single shared DAC for L + R channels. There is a certain
person that haunts these groups that states on his website that it is a
"very good" machine. BTW he also hates vinyl and SACD/DVD-A and says CD is
perfect forever and you will never guess who this mild mannered person is
;-)

Cheers TT

Arny Krueger

February 5th 08, 12:54 PM

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> TT wrote:
>
>> Header says it all!
>
> I agree.
>
>
>> Please note: There are some people in the World that
>> really have very little interest in US internal politics.
>>
>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
>> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
>> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
>> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
>> Sigh............

> The CP101 was bad even at the time !

Bad compared to what?

Compared to vinyl? No.

Compared to tape? No.

Fact is that the CDP 101 would not pass a straight wire bypass test with
*any* program material, like a good modern player. People had a pretty easy
time picking it out with pink noise, white noise, and certain choral music.
But, it would pass a straight wire bypass test with most music.

Compared to the best vinyl playback systems of that day or this, the CDP 101
was brilliant.

Arny Krueger

February 5th 08, 12:58 PM

"TT" > wrote in message

> "Eeyore" > wrote

> Yep, with it's single shared DAC for L + R channels.

A cost-cutting move that has been used up until recently. You aren't going
to hear its effects unless you have an electrically-summed center channel,
and pick your music for testing very carefully.

> There is a certain person that haunts these groups that
> states on his website that it is a "very good" machine.

Unlike the air head subjectivists, I even define what I mean by "very good".

> BTW he also hates vinyl and SACD/DVD-A

Whats to hate? They are dead meat. A jillion golden ears couldn't save them.

> and says CD is perfect

Nope. But a good CD player can pass a straight wire bypass test with any
program material, music or not.

> forever

That's hype. Good for misleading small boys and visiting firemen. Which
category are you in, TT?

> and you will never guess who this mild mannered person is ;-)

Unlike you TT, it is someone who listens with his ears, not his eyes.

Eeyore

February 5th 08, 06:22 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "TT" > wrote
> > "Eeyore" > wrote
>
> > Yep, with it's single shared DAC for L + R channels.
>
> A cost-cutting move that has been used up until recently.

Eh ?

My Denon DCD1700 ? from 1989 had individual DACs IIRC.

Graham

Eeyore

February 5th 08, 06:24 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Eeyore" > wrote
> > TT wrote:
> >
> >> Header says it all!
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> >
> >> Please note: There are some people in the World that
> >> really have very little interest in US internal politics.
> >>
> >> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
> >> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
> >> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
> >> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
> >> Sigh............
>
> > The CP101 was bad even at the time !
>
> Bad compared to what?
>
> Compared to vinyl? No.

It would truncate reverb tails compared to vinyl.

I could CLEARLY HEAR the difference.

Graham

Eeyore

February 5th 08, 06:24 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Fact is that the CDP 101 would not pass a straight wire bypass test with
> *any* program material, like a good modern player.

Try it with a -80 signal.

Graham

Arny Krueger

February 5th 08, 07:07 PM

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "TT" > wrote
>>> "Eeyore" > wrote
>>
>>> Yep, with it's single shared DAC for L + R channels.
>>
>> A cost-cutting move that has been used up until recently.
>
> Eh ?
>
> My Denon DCD1700 ? from 1989 had individual DACs IIRC.

Right - shared DACs have definately fallen out of favor in the mainstream,
but up until lately you could occasionally find them used in very, very
cheap players, cheap pc sound cards, etc.

Arny Krueger

February 5th 08, 07:28 PM

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "Eeyore" > wrote
>>> TT wrote:
>>>
>>>> Header says it all!
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please note: There are some people in the World that
>>>> really have very little interest in US internal
>>>> politics.
>>>>
>>>> BTW Arny please keep quiet. Yes I know all amplifiers
>>>> sound the same, CD is perfect and the World's best CD
>>>> player is the Sony CDP101 and I'm a kook for playing
>>>> vinyl and your opinion of me is very low ;-)
>>>> Sigh............
>>
>>> The CP101 was bad even at the time !
>>
>> Bad compared to what?

>> Compared to vinyl? No.

> It would truncate reverb tails compared to vinyl.

Never saw that happen, but I obviously never listened to very CDP101.

One possibility is that the CDP 101 you auditioned was broken. Perhaps the
CDP 101 under test was broken in a certain way that was pretty much unique
to the CDP 101.

While much has been made of the CDP 101 DAC being shared between the
channels, not much has been said about the fact that the DAC was also shared
in the amplitude domain. As I recall, the CDP 101 DAC had only 8 bits.

The CDP 101 8 bit DAC was run twice for every channel sample, with the
analog scaling changed in-between. As previously mentioned the CDP 101 DAC
was run through this sequence twice for every set of stereo sample, once for
each channel. So, the CDP 101 8 bit DAC was run through 4 conversions for
every recorded set of stereo samples.

I forget the order, but for discussion lets say that first the high order 8
bits were loaded into the DAC chip and the resulting analog voltage related
to that was gated into the analog buffer and held, and then the low order 8
bits were loaded into the DAC and the and the resulting analog voltage was
scaled by 256 and gated into the analog buffer and summed to the voltage
from the high order bits.

Obviously, this process has a unique set of failure modes where one one
half of the data word was converted, but the other half was not converted.
If you convert only the high order 8 bits, you end up with only about 55 dB
dynamic range, which could indeed audibly truncate reverb tails.

Scaling in the DAC were a feature of another early piece of digital gear
with a checkered history - the 3M digital recorder. It worked well enought
was in good shape, but it could break and fall out of adjustment in ways
that are very unfamiliar in modern times.

In modern times, DACs need not have any adjustments at all, and when they
break in almost any way they are totally broken. They go dead.

When working right, the CDP 101 has good dynamic range, as

http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/Sony_CDP-101/index.htm

shows. This particular player is guaranteed not to audibly or measureably
truncate reverb tails.

> I could CLEARLY HEAR the difference.

What is unsure is whether the CDP 101 being auditioned was in good operating
condtition at the time.

Arny Krueger

February 5th 08, 07:30 PM

"Eeyore" > wrote in
message
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Fact is that the CDP 101 would not pass a straight wire
>> bypass test with *any* program material, like a good
>> modern player.
>
> Try it with a -80 signal.

Look here:

http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/Sony_CDP-101/index.htm

The dynamic range test is done with a -60 dB signal, but notice that the -60
dB signal passes wtih the largest harmonic more than 100 dB down.

http://www.pcavtech.com/play-rec/Sony_CDP-101/DR_DA_FS.gif

joe cipale

February 6th 08, 05:41 AM

On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 09:39 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> news:1202096265.8628.1.camel@humboldt
> > On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 16:45 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> >> news:1202066961.6305.4.camel@humboldt
>
> >>>> Why transcribe an LP, when you already have the CD?
> >
> >>> For some reason... duping a CD from a Sund-to-vinyl
> >>> source seems to me no better then the current
> >>> poor-quality CDs that are being manufactured already.
>
> >> You make it sound like all currently-manufactured CDs
> >> have quality problems. Of course they don't.
>
> >> I understand rabid vinyl bigots saying such things over
> >> and over again, because after all they will tell any lie
> >> in the interest of forcing vinyl down our throats.
> >
> > Please... do me, yourself, and the rest of us a favor and
> > stop reading things into my posts that are not there.
>
> But it was there.
>
> > I have many CDs and many vinyl recordings.
>
> I have many CDs and vinyl recordings. So what?
>
> > I am not nor do I portend to be a bigot of any sort.
>
> Ever see a bigot admit to it?
>
> > Other than ignoring the rants of jackasses.
>
> Meaning what?

that you are a jackass... now THAT you can read into.

joe cipale

February 6th 08, 05:43 AM

On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:27 -0500, Harry Lavo wrote:
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> >> > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> >> > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> >> > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> >> > > >> joe cipale > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> >> > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> >> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> >> > > >>>> > wrote:
> >> > > >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> >> > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> >> >
> >> > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> >> >
> >> > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> >> >
> >> > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> >> > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> >> >
> >> > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
> >> >
> >> > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> >> > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> >> > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> >> >
> >> > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> >> > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> >> > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> >> > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> >> > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> >> >
> >> > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> >> >
> >> > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> >> >
> >> > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> >> > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> >> > > > From A Good Place.
> >> > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> >> > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> >> > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> >> > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> >> >
> >> > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> >> > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> >> > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
> >> >
> >> > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
> >> >
> >> > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the
> >> > > ritual
> >> > > of
> >> > > playing vinyl.
> >> >
> >> > I disagree. The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records.
> >> > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> >> > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best
> >> > sounding
> >> > sources I've ever heard outside of live. I was never impressed with the
> >> > CDs. There's one exception, IMO: The Russian sessions sound pretty
> >> > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
> >> >
> >> > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> >> > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> >> > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
> >> both in performance and sound quality.
> >
> > I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
> > record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home.
> > Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. The
> > Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.
>
> I've always thought this recording sounded dry and "studio-y". The
> performance *is* good, though, although I prefer an earlier (mono) recording
> on Capital by Steinberg/Pittsburgh Symphony.
>
> Never cared for Lincoln Mayorga, but Amanda McBroom's singing is absolutely
> first rate, as is the sound.
>
> And the Harry James recordings are simply not duplicable.
>
> These Sheffields and others still have pride of place in the "audiophile"
> section of my music shelves.
>

The likes of Maria Carey, Jen Lopez, et. al. can and should take lessons
from Amanda McBroom. She (still) has a gorgeous set of pipes!

Jenn

February 6th 08, 06:59 AM

In article <1202276637.19220.8.camel@humboldt>,
joe cipale > wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 11:27 -0500, Harry Lavo wrote:
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> >
> > et...
> > > In article
> > > >,
> > > Clyde Slick > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 3 Feb, 11:11, Jenn > wrote:
> > >> > In article >,
> > >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > "joe cipale" > wrote in message
> > >> > >news:1201978606.8184.5.camel@humboldt
> > >> > > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 18:44 +0000, Jenn wrote:
> > >> > > >> In article <1201976295.7557.24.camel@humboldt>,
> > >> > > >> joe cipale > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:56 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening
> > >> > > >>> to Reason! wrote:
> > >> > > >>>> On Feb 2, 11:14 am, Jenn
> > >> > > >>>> > wrote:
> > >> > > >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>>>>> On Feb 1, 7:13 pm, Jenn
> > >> > > >>>>>>> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>>>>>> Between the 3 records: 2 little pops. Great finds.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>>>> A measure of how far Jenn's hearing has degraded.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>>> lol Yet another troll.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>> I don't think it was a troll. I think GOIA heard
> > >> > > >>>> *three* little pops, all the way from Michigan.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>> That's pretty impressive!
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>>> They were both Living Stereo, I presume? I have the
> > >> > > >>>> orginal Belafonte on LS and the "Return" concert on a
> > >> > > >>>> Mobile Fidelity CD. It's great music.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >>> Mobile Fidelity... Haven't heard that label mentioned
> > >> > > >>> in quite some time. I had a number of recordings from
> > >> > > >>> them years ago. Including a Dave Grusin and several
> > >> > > >>> Lincoln Mayorga (w/Amanda McBroom IIRC). Sadly let them
> > >> > > >>> go to help pay for college a few years ago.
> > >> >
> > >> > > >> You mean Sheffield Labs, don't you?
> > >> >
> > >> > > > YES! Thank you Jenn.
> > >> >
> > >> > > > Long-lost titles I once had and would kill to recover:
> > >> > > > Harry James: Still Harry After All These Years, Coming
> > >> > > > From A Good Place.
> > >> > > > Amanda McBroom: Growing Up in Hollywood Town
> > >> > > > Thelma Houston: I've got the music in me
> > >> > > > Lincoln Mayorga: The Missing Linc
> > >> > > > Dave Grusin: Discovered Again
> > >> >
> > >> > > > Thanks for the refresher and the trip down memory lane.
> > >> > > > TIme to check out eBay as I doubt any of these titles
> > >> > > > would be found in a used record store here in PDX.
> > >> >
> > >> > > The CD versions sound better, and are generally easy to find.
> > >> >
> > >> > > Now you have to figure out whether its the music you like, or the
> > >> > > ritual
> > >> > > of
> > >> > > playing vinyl.
> > >> >
> > >> > I disagree. The Sheffield LPs that I have are fantastic records.
> > >> > "Hollywood Town" and the Leinsdorf LA Phil sessions (one of Prokofiev,
> > >> > one of Stravinsky/Debussy and one of Wagner) are among the best
> > >> > sounding
> > >> > sources I've ever heard outside of live. I was never impressed with
> > >> > the
> > >> > CDs. There's one exception, IMO: The Russian sessions sound pretty
> > >> > much alike to me on both media, and neither are among my favorites.
> > >> >
> > >> > Your mileage may vary, of course, and folks should listen to the media
> > >> > that brings the experience of the music in the most satisfying way to
> > >> > THEM.- Ascunde citatul -
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I never thought all that much of the Leinsdorf Sheffields,
> > >> both in performance and sound quality.
> > >
> > > I think that the Prokofiev is the best performance of that work on
> > > record, and in the top 10 of best sound I've ever heard in my home.
> > > Ditto for sound on the Wagner, but not my favorite performance. The
> > > Stravinsky is less successful on both fronts, IMO.
> >
> > I've always thought this recording sounded dry and "studio-y". The
> > performance *is* good, though, although I prefer an earlier (mono)
> > recording
> > on Capital by Steinberg/Pittsburgh Symphony.
> >
> > Never cared for Lincoln Mayorga, but Amanda McBroom's singing is absolutely
> > first rate, as is the sound.
> >
> > And the Harry James recordings are simply not duplicable.
> >
> > These Sheffields and others still have pride of place in the "audiophile"
> > section of my music shelves.
> >
>
> The likes of Maria Carey, Jen Lopez, et. al. can and should take lessons
> from Amanda McBroom.

Indeed.

> She (still) has a gorgeous set of pipes!