Howard Ferstler drops in - for a moment

[Howard Ferstler]

Hello, Group,

I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
inane way.

However, given the type of people who involve themselves
with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.

And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

ScottW wrote:

> On Jan 24, 12:35 pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
>
>>Hello, Group,
>>
>>I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
>>action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
>>usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
>>of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
>>inane way.
>>
>>However, given the type of people who involve themselves
>>with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>>
>>And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.
>
>
> Howard,
> I picked up an X-30 high pass filter for my Quads.....I don't really
> care for it as it seems to detract from the overall image depth and I
> don't notice any improvement in bass response by high passing to my
> Quads.
> Ever try an outlaw/velodyne SMS?

I assume you are referring to the Paradigm X-30 outboard
electronic crossover network.

Well, if you are high-pass filtering to the speakers and not
using a subwoofer then obviously you will not get an
improvement in bass response. If you do use a subwoofer (at
least a good one) then obviously you will get an improvement
in bass response, assuming the sub is sited properly and the
levels properly set.

A decent electronic crossover should not have any negative
impact on the imaging or depth of the satellite speakers.
However, if the sub/sat balance is improperly adjusted the
result might be a sense of bloatedness that cuts into the
feeling of spaciousness.

I believe that the Outlaw subwoofers were built by, or at
least designed by, Poh Ser Hsu. I have no idea who
configured the SMS for them, nor have I reviewed that item.
If Velodyne has some kind of relationship with Outlaw it is
news to me. However, I have been out of the loop for some
time and so just about any news is news to me.

Howard Ferstler

[[email protected]]

On Jan 24, 12:35�pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
> Hello, Group,
>
> I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
> action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
> usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
> of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
> inane way.
>
> However, given the type of people who involve themselves
> with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>
> And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.
>
> Howard Ferstler

"At least" you admit that your comments are "canned," and therefore
utterly devoid of any value to others. I think retiring from a
profession where you were constantly ridiculed and deplored has agreed
with you, Howard.

Boon (Oh, I'm sorry...Marc Phillips to you, pinhead.)

[Arny Krueger]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
news:4798f767@kcnews01
> Hello, Group,
>
> I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
> action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
> usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see
> all of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
> inane way.

While they think they are ridiculing others, the stupidity of their posts
effectively ridicules them.

[Howard Ferstler]

wrote:
> On Jan 24, 12:35�pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
>
>>Hello, Group,
>>
>>I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
>>action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
>>usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
>>of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
>>inane way.
>>
>>However, given the type of people who involve themselves
>>with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>>
>>And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.
>>
>>Howard Ferstler

> "At least" you admit that your comments are "canned," and therefore
> utterly devoid of any value to others. I think retiring from a
> profession where you were constantly ridiculed and deplored has agreed
> with you, Howard.
>
> Boon (Oh, I'm sorry...Marc Phillips to you, pinhead.)

What matters most when you are being "ridiculed and
deplored" is who is doing the ridiculing and deploring. And,
believe me, being ridiculed and deplored by the likes of you
and the other goofballs in this group is anything but a
badge of dishonor.

As for my comments within the realm of audio being of value
(here, I assume you are referring to my published materials,
as well as to my numerous commentaries within this group in
the old days), I have no problem at all with those comments
being useless to the lunatic fringe. However, I assume
(given what I have read from other sources, including
individuals who lament my getting out of the audio
journalism business) that at least a number of sane
individuals (rare at the rao address, but some probably pop
in once in a while) got certain benefits from my opinions.

That you are still here (month after month, and for that
matter, apparently year after year) interjecting comments
within this group says more about you than you obviously
realize. Ditto for many of the other weak-minded old timers
within the group.

Get a life, pinhead.

PS: While I am retired, two of my reviews, and hopefully one
commentary column, are still scheduled to appear in an
upcoming issue of The Sensible Sound. So goes long lead
times in audio journalism.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
> news:4798f767@kcnews01
>
>>Hello, Group,
>>
>>I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
>>action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
>>usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see
>>all of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
>>inane way.
>
>
> While they think they are ridiculing others, the stupidity of their posts
> effectively ridicules them.

Good point. Still, I continue to wonder why you hang around
with and butt heads with these back biters. In spite of you
and him being at odds much of the time, I wonder the same
thing about John Atkinson. Both of you guys must have better
things to do than duke it out with Middius and his peers.
Well, Atkinson appears to be obsessed with duking it out
with you, which seems, well, a bit odd for a guy who is
supposedly a major audio journalist. Well, maybe it helps
him sell magazines. No doubt he has a need to do that.

Howard Ferstler

[George M. Middius]

Brother Horace of the Order of the Ostrich-Monks intoned:

> What matters most when you are being "ridiculed and
> deplored" is who is doing the ridiculing and deploring.

Does telling yourself that help you to live down the shame, Clerkie?

[Robert Morein]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
news:4798f767@kcnews01...
> Hello, Group,
>
> I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in action, and was
> also prepared to come up with one of my usual canned phrases and say how
> "shocked" I was to see all of those regulars in action in the usual,
> incomprehensibly inane way.
>
> However, given the type of people who involve themselves with "serious"
> audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>
> And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.
>
> Howard Ferstler.

"You won't have Ferstler to kick around anymore, because, pinheads, this is
my last post" *

*President Howard Ferster, in
1998,1999,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007, 2008.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 24, 3:03Â*pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
> wrote:
> > On Jan 24, 12:35�pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
>
> >>Hello, Group,
>
> >>I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
> >>action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
> >>usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
> >>of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
> >>inane way.
>
> >>However, given the type of people who involve themselves
> >>with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>
> >>And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.
>
> >>Howard Ferstler
> > "At least" you admit that your comments are "canned," and therefore
> > utterly devoid of any value to others. I think retiring from a
> > profession where you were constantly ridiculed and deplored has agreed
> > with you, Howard.
>
> > Boon (Oh, I'm sorry...Marc Phillips to you, pinhead.)
>
> What matters most when you are being "ridiculed and
> deplored" is who is doing the ridiculing and deploring. And,
> believe me, being ridiculed and deplored by the likes of you
> and the other goofballs in this group is anything but a
> badge of dishonor.

It isn't anything. This is an Internet newgroup, which amounts to
less than nothing in the audio world. It's like Vegas...what happens
here, stays here.

>
> As for my comments within the realm of audio being of value
> (here, I assume you are referring to my published materials,
> as well as to my numerous commentaries within this group in
> the old days), I have no problem at all with those comments
> being useless to the lunatic fringe. However, I assume
> (given what I have read from other sources, including
> individuals who lament my getting out of the audio
> journalism business) that at least a number of sane
> individuals (rare at the rao address, but some probably pop
> in once in a while) got certain benefits from my opinions.

Hope springs eternal, Howard. That's why I get blank stares whenever
I mention your name to movers and shakers in the audio world, people
even you look up to. You didn't make your mark in the audio world,
slick.

>
> That you are still here (month after month, and for that
> matter, apparently year after year) interjecting comments
> within this group says more about you than you obviously
> realize. Ditto for many of the other weak-minded old timers
> within the group.

I think we figured out last time that over the last few years, your
posting frequency far outpasses mine. The only difference is this: I
move on when I have work to do, and you move on when you've been
utterly humiliated again.

>
> Get a life, pinhead.

I do have a life. I'm working full-time as a writer and editor. What
are you doing these days? Let see...

>
> PS: While I am retired, two of my reviews, and hopefully one
> commentary column, are still scheduled to appear in an
> upcoming issue of The Sensible Sound. So goes long lead
> times in audio journalism.

And yet my articles sometimes appear two or three weeks after I've
written them. Try writing for a real publication. For instance, as
we speak I'm writing a review for an album that won't come out until
February 5. The issue comes out on February 6. The last time I
checked on TAV, they were writing about albums nearly a year old.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 24, 3:08�pm, Howard Ferstler > wrote:
>
> Good point. Still, I continue to wonder why you hang around
> with and butt heads with these back biters. In spite of you
> and him being at odds much of the time, I wonder the same
> thing about John Atkinson. Both of you guys must have better
> things to do than duke it out with Middius and his peers.
> Well, Atkinson appears to be obsessed with duking it out
> with you, which seems, well, a bit odd for a guy who is
> supposedly a major audio journalist. Well, maybe it helps
> him sell magazines. No doubt he has a need to do that.

It's called target practice. You and Arny are the little cardboard
duckies that go back and forth.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


Boonie raises up a standard that he can't measure up to:

> Hope springs eternal, Howard. That's why I get blank
> stares whenever I mention your name to movers and shakers
> in the audio world, people even you look up to. You
> didn't make your mark in the audio world, slick.

LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
the audio world?

Blank stares.

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> It's called target practice. You and Arny are the little
> cardboard duckies that go back and forth.

Except Boonie that you're the one who goes down for the count. Time after
time after time. A few weeks of your flash in the pan, and you're gone. I'm
figuring you for bipolar syndrome. It takes a few months for you to put your
broken heart together and then you come back for more. I don't know why.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Ian, 06:55, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> Boonie raises up a standard that he can't measure up to:
>


> LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> the audio world?
>
> Blank stares.

I guess your local strippers don't recognize him.
Next time he's in the club with you on one of his 'stalking' trips,
ask him to take off his ski mask.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> > the audio world?

> I guess your local strippers don't recognize him.
> Next time he's in the club with you on one of his 'stalking' trips,
> ask him to take off his ski mask.

I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about this just hangs up
on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Ian, 09:10, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net>
wrote:
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > > LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> > > the audio world?
> > I guess your local strippers don't recognize him.
> > Next time he's in the club with you on one of his 'stalking' trips,
> > ask him to take off his ski mask.
>
> I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about this just hangs up
> on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.

Unless he considers Tommie Boy as his mover and shaker.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about this just hangs up
> > on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.
>
> Unless he considers Tommie Boy as his mover and shaker.

Meaning David Spade's deceased sidekick?

[Arny Krueger]

"George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote
in message

> Clyde Slick said:

>>> I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about
>>> this just hangs up on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.

That never happened, except perhaps in someone's dreams.

>> Unless he considers Tommie Boy as his mover and shaker.
>
> Meaning David Spade's deceased sidekick?

Just guessing, but I see an allusion to Tom Nousaine.

Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom has left a mark on the
Middiot/Atkinson et al posse that just won't go away. He's probably more
highly respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile clique.

[Clyde Slick]

On 25 Ian, 10:34, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote
> in messagenews:1rujp3pkof9na2ahclje5527lumo4178do@4ax .com
>
> > Clyde Slick said:
> >>> I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about
> >>> this just hangs up on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.
>
> That never happened, except perhaps in someone's dreams.
>
> >> Unless he considers Tommie Boy as his mover and shaker.
>
> > Meaning David Spade's deceased sidekick?
>
> Just guessing, but I see an allusion to Tom Nousaine.
>
> Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom has left a mark on the
> Middiot/Atkinson et al posse that just won't go away. He's probably more
> highly respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile clique.

Also, he's 'probably' not as insane as you are.

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg has a moment of clarity.

> >>> I was thinking that whoever Krooger is pestering about
> >>> this just hangs up on him. That's what Ken Kantor did.

> That never happened, except perhaps in someone's dreams.

Thank you for confirming the second-hand accounts I heard, Turdy. If it
weren't for your denials, we Normals might have to guess where the truth
lies.

> >> Unless he considers Tommie Boy as his mover and shaker.

> > Meaning David Spade's deceased sidekick?

> Just guessing, but I see an allusion to Tom Nousaine.

Who is that, Arnii? We know you idolize someone called "Nousiane", but now
you're deviating into human reality.

> Reading between the lines

What lines? Are you doing coke now?

> highly respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile clique[sic].

I think you mean "Stereophile staff", at least if you're referring to
John, Michael, and the others who work at the magazine. (Yes, I realize
you might be wandering in one of your paranoid fantasy-worlds.)

BTW, I'm not going to remind you that your mental illness is embarrassing.
I'm sure you hear that all the time at home, in church, and in therapy.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 25, 10:34 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom [Nousaine]
> has left a mark on the Middiot/Atkinson et al posse that just
> won't go away. He's probably more highly respected and more
> often read than the whole Stereophile clique.

Quite the encomium, Mr. Krueger. Yet Sound & Vision, the
magazine Tom Nousaine contributes speaker measurements
to, has seen a catastrophic decrease in circulation, from
>400,000 to <200,000, in the past 2 years, has suffered
swingeing staff cuts, and Mr. Nousaine's contributions
have been reduced considerably.By contrast, Stereophile's
circulation has increased by 2% 2006-2007, to 75,300. This
despite a prediction from Mr. Nousaine in 2002 that
Stereophile would soon go out of business :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 25, 10:34 am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:

>> Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom
>> [Nousaine] has left a mark on the Middiot/Atkinson et al
>> posse that just won't go away. He's probably more highly
>> respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile
>> clique.

> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes speaker measurements
> to, has ... (vastly larger) ...circulation, (just under) ...200,000.

> Stereophile's circulation... (is only) ...75,300.

> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

Thanks for agreeing with me and supporting your agreement with relevant
facts, John.

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 25, 12:42 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> > Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
> > speaker measurements to, has ... (vastly larger) ...circulation,
> > (just under) ...200,000. Stereophile's circulation... (is only) ...
> > 75,300.
> > John Atkinson
> > Editor, Stereophile
>
> Thanks for agreeing with me and supporting your agreement
> with relevant facts, John.

Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
When he posts a message to it. Lurkers please note that
the words in parentheses present as being by me above
were written by Mr. Krueger. If he wished it them to appear
as his own editorial interjections, he would have put themm
in {square} brackets "[" and "]".

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[dizzy]

Howard Ferstler wrote:

>Hello, Group,
>
>I dropped in and was prepared to see the "regulars" in
>action, and was also prepared to come up with one of my
>usual canned phrases and say how "shocked" I was to see all
>of those regulars in action in the usual, incomprehensibly
>inane way.
>
>However, given the type of people who involve themselves
>with "serious" audio these days I should not be shocked at all.
>
>And I am not. Soldier on, pinheads.

That's MISTER Pinhead to you, buddy.

[dizzy]

Howard Ferstler wrote:

>Good point. Still, I continue to wonder why you hang around
>with and butt heads with these back biters. In spite of you
>and him being at odds much of the time, I wonder the same
>thing about John Atkinson. Both of you guys must have better
>things to do than duke it out with Middius and his peers.
>Well, Atkinson appears to be obsessed with duking it out
>with you, which seems, well, a bit odd for a guy who is
>supposedly a major audio journalist. Well, maybe it helps
>him sell magazines. No doubt he has a need to do that.

Everyone needs some way to unwind...

[dizzy]

John Atkinson wrote:

>How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
>When he posts a message to it.

Ding ding ding!

[vlad]

On Jan 25, 10:17 am, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 12:42 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > "John Atkinson" > wrote in
> > > Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
> > > speaker measurements to, has ... (vastly larger) ...circulation,
> > > (just under) ...200,000. Stereophile's circulation... (is only) ...
> > > 75,300.
> > > John Atkinson
> > > Editor, Stereophile
>
> > Thanks for agreeing with me and supporting your agreement
> > with relevant facts, John.
>
> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
> When he posts a message to it. Lurkers please note that
> the words in parentheses present as being by me above
> were written by Mr. Krueger. If he wished it them to appear
> as his own editorial interjections, he would have put themm
> in {square} brackets "[" and "]".
>
> John Atkinson
> Editor, Stereophile

How does one know John Atkinson is lying in Stereophile?
When he writes about audio matters :-)

vlad

[George M. Middius]

vladborg weeps and wails at the Krooborg's pain.

> > How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
> > When he posts a message to it.

> How does one know John Atkinson is lying in Stereophile?
> When he writes about audio matters :-)

What a wit! Are you still sore because JA didn't call you for an interview
on that gofer job at Stereophile? Holding a grudge for 20+ years is not
healthy. You might want to have your wetware tweaked.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 25, 3:55�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> Boonie raises up a standard that he can't measure up to:
>
> > Hope springs eternal, Howard. �That's why I get blank
> > stares whenever I mention your name to movers and shakers
> > in the audio world, people even you look up to. �You
> > didn't make your mark in the audio world, slick.
>
> LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> the audio world?
>
> Blank stares.

Bull****.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 25, 3:57�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > It's called target practice. �You and Arny are the little
> > cardboard duckies that go back and forth.
>
> Except Boonie that you're the one who goes down for the count. Time after
> time after time. A few weeks of your flash in the pan, and you're gone. I'm
> figuring you for bipolar syndrome. It takes a few months for you to put your
> broken heart together and then you come back for more. I don't know why.

Again, you're trying to make an argument for staying on the Internet,
day after day, making hundreds and thousands of posts, knowing that
everyone hates your guts. It didn't work the previous 500 times
you've used this argument...why do you think it's going to work now?

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 25, 6:07�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 25 Ian, 06:55, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > wrote in message
>
>
>
> > Boonie raises up a standard that he can't measure up to:
>
> > LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> > the audio world?
>
> > Blank stares.
>
> I guess your local strippers don't recognize him.
> Next time he's in the club with you on one of his 'stalking' trips,
> �ask him to take off his ski mask.

You forgot that Howard's wee-wee doesn't work anymore. No field trips
for him.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 25, 7:03Â*pm, wrote:
> On Jan 25, 6:07�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 25 Ian, 06:55, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > > > wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > Boonie raises up a standard that he can't measure up to:
>
> > > LOL. Guess what happens when I mention your name to "movers and shakers" in
> > > the audio world?
>
> > > Blank stares.
>
> > I guess your local strippers don't recognize him.
> > Next time he's in the club with you on one of his 'stalking' trips,
> > �ask him to take off his ski mask.
>
> You forgot that Howard's wee-wee doesn't work anymore. Â*No field trips
> for him.
>
> Boon- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Whoops...thought you were taliking about Howard. However, it's just
like Arny to parrot something someone else has said. He thinks it's
irony. It's really the fact that he can't come up with anything on
his own.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message

> On Jan 25, 3:57?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's called target practice. ?You and Arny are the
>>> little cardboard duckies that go back and forth.
>>
>> Except Boonie that you're the one who goes down for the
>> count. Time after time after time. A few weeks of your
>> flash in the pan, and you're gone. I'm figuring you for
>> bipolar syndrome. It takes a few months for you to put
>> your broken heart together and then you come back for
>> more. I don't know why.
>
> Again, you're trying to make an argument for staying on
> the Internet, day after day, making hundreds and
> thousands of posts, knowing that everyone hates your
> guts. It didn't work the previous 500 times you've used
> this argument...why do you think it's going to work now?

I'm making an argument for staying on the internet?

Surely you jest!

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 25, 12:42 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>>> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
>>> speaker measurements to, has ... (vastly larger)
>>> ...circulation, (just under) ...200,000. Stereophile's
>>> circulation... (is only) ... 75,300.
>>> John Atkinson
>>> Editor, Stereophile
>>
>> Thanks for agreeing with me and supporting your agreement
>> with relevant facts, John.

> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?

Never happens, except in the minds of people who need to think such things.

> When he posts a message to it.

Truth is added to.

> Lurkers please note that
> the words in parentheses present as being by me above
> were written by Mr. Krueger.

That's the usual meaning of words in parenthesis in a quote - they were
added by the person making the quote. So here we have an example of what
Atkinson thinks is a lie - standard editing punctuation.

> If he wished it them to
> appear as his own editorial interjections, he would have
> put themm in {square} brackets "[" and "]".

OK, now we get another one of Atkinson's definition of a lie - any error in
spelling and punctuation one may happen to make. It appears that in Atkinson
world only writing with perfect spelling and punctuation is true. Misspell a
word or fail to get your punctuation right and you are, apparently according
to Atkinson, a habitual liar.

Here's what I would have written if I was using the spelling and punctuation
that Atkinson approves of:

"
John Atkinson" > wrote

Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
....circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
circulation... [is only] ... 75,300.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
"

<note, all that Atkinson managed to do with the above post is make himself
look like an intolerant fool, and provide me with an excuse to re-post the
quote that he objected to with 6 characters changed>

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg uncorks his magic Star of Darkness.

> > How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?

> Never happens

And people say you're insane, Arnii. The nerve!

[dizzy]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
>
>Never happens, except in the minds of people who need to think such things.

Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.

[Jenn]

In article >,
dizzy > wrote:

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> >> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
> >
> >Never happens, except in the minds of people who need to think such things.
>
> Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.

Yep.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 25, 7:38�pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 3:57?am, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
>
>
>
> >>> It's called target practice. ?You and Arny are the
> >>> little cardboard duckies that go back and forth.
>
> >> Except Boonie that you're the one who goes down for the
> >> count. Time after time after time. A few weeks of your
> >> flash in the pan, and you're gone. I'm figuring you for
> >> bipolar syndrome. It takes a few months for you to put
> >> your broken heart together and then you come back for
> >> more. I don't know why.
>
> > Again, you're trying to make an argument for staying on
> > the Internet, day after day, making hundreds and
> > thousands of posts, knowing that everyone hates your
> > guts. �It didn't work the previous 500 times you've used
> > this argument...why do you think it's going to work now?
>
> I'm making an argument for staying on the internet?
>
> Surely you jest!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm sorry...was that a retort?

Yeah, I didn't think so, either.

Boon

[John Atkinson[_2_]]

On Jan 25, 11:19 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> Here's what I would have written if I was using the spelling and
> punctuation that Atkinson approves of:
>
> John Atkinson" > wrote
> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
> speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
> ...circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
> circulation... [is only] ... 75,300.

Thank you for making the correction, Mr. Krueger.
Now that wasn't so hard, was it. The next step,
now that your editorial interjections have been
correctly identified, is for readers to judge for
themselves whether your editorial deletions and
omissions have altered the meaning of the
original text. For comparison, here is what I
originally wrote:

"Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine
contributes speaker measurements to, has seen
a catastrophic decrease in circulation, from [more
than] 400,000 to [less than] 200,000, in the past 2
years, has suffered swingeing staff cuts, and Mr.
Nousaine's contributions have been reduced
considerably. By contrast, Stereophile's circulation
has increased by 2% 2006-2007, to 75,300."

Rather different in meaning, as I am sure readers will
see for themselves.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius]

John Atkinson said:

[snip]
> Rather different in meaning, as I am sure readers will
> see for themselves.

Even Nousiane has given up trying to defend the Krooborg on Usenet.

[Arny Krueger]

"dizzy" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>>> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
>>
>> Never happens, except in the minds of people who need
>> to think such things.
>
> Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.


Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>

>
> > Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.

Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?

[George M. Middius]

The Idiot runs away from reality.

> > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?

> How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Scottie, you've outdone yourself.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 11:04*am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in messagenews:7opmp3hugb0unk1fhc0j46pvp9qtiktq5r@4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > The Idiot runs away from reality.
>
> >> > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> >> > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> >> > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> >> How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> > Scottie, you've outdone yourself.
>
> Please, I must defer to the master
> ...since you personally count for 3-5
> people accusing him....you've outdone yourself.

Dear 2pid:

Thank you so much for this most recent post of yours. You have
illuminated several audio points that I'd been very curious about.

I am also glad to see that you are one who not only "talks the talk"
but one who also "walks the walk" with integrity, honor, honesty, and
not a hint of hypocrisy.

As one who has nothing to offer this group, I take my hat off to
you...again.

lol Lol LoL lOl LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 7:19*am, John Atkinson > wrote:
> On Jan 25, 11:19 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
> > Here's what I would have written if I was using the spelling and
> > punctuation that Atkinson approves of:
>
> > John Atkinson" > wrote
> > Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
> > speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
> > ...circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
> > circulation... [is only] *... 75,300.
>
> Thank you for making the correction, Mr. Krueger.
> Now that wasn't so hard, was it. The next step,
> now that your editorial interjections have been
> correctly identified, is for readers to judge for
> themselves whether your editorial deletions and
> omissions have altered the meaning of the
> original text. For comparison, here is what I
>
> originally wrote:
>
> "Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine
> contributes speaker measurements to, has seen
> a catastrophic decrease in circulation, from [more
> than] 400,000 to *[less than] 200,000, in the past 2
> years, has suffered swingeing staff cuts, and Mr.
> Nousaine's contributions have been reduced
> considerably. By contrast, Stereophile's circulation
> has increased by 2% 2006-2007, to 75,300."
>
> Rather different in meaning, as I am sure readers will
> see for themselves.

Of equal interest to me, I wonder what "Foreign Policy" magazine's
circulation is compared to "Newsweek".

[dizzy]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>"dizzy" > wrote in message

>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>>> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
>>>
>>> Never happens, except in the minds of people who need
>>> to think such things.
>>
>> Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
>Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.

That's another lie from you, Arny. Documented.

[Arny Krueger]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in
message

> On Jan 25, 11:19 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:

The post that sent John Atkinson in spin-spin land:

>>>> Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom
>>>> [Nousaine] has left a mark on the Middiot/Atkinson et al
>>>> posse that just won't go away. He's probably more highly
>>>> respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile
>> >> clique.

The relevant facts I claim - Nousaine is more widely respected, more
respected in professional circles, and more widely-read than Stereophile's
writers.

>> Here's what I would have written if I was using the
>> spelling and punctuation that Atkinson approves of:

>> John Atkinson" > wrote
>> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
>> speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
>> ...circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
>> circulation... [is only] ... 75,300.

Note that all that changed is 6 minor pieces of punctuation.

> Thank you for making the correction, Mr. Krueger.
> Now that wasn't so hard, was it. The next step,
> now that your editorial interjections have been
> correctly identified, is for readers to judge for
> themselves whether your editorial deletions and
> omissions have altered the meaning of the
> original text. For comparison, here is what I
> originally wrote:

> "Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine
> contributes speaker measurements to, has seen
> a catastrophic decrease in circulation, from [more
> than] 400,000 to [less than] 200,000, in the past 2
> years, has suffered swingeing staff cuts, and Mr.
> Nousaine's contributions have been reduced
> considerably. By contrast, Stereophile's circulation
> has increased by 2% 2006-2007, to 75,300."

> Rather different in meaning, as I am sure readers will
> see for themselves.

All I did is take the gratuitous attacks and self-aggrandizing obfuscation
and spin out of what you wrote, John. The actual facts as they are relevant
to the post you were responding to, remain identically the same.

[Arny Krueger]

"dizzy" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>>
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on
>>>>> Usenet?
>>>>
>>>> Never happens, except in the minds of people who need
>>>> to think such things.
>>>
>>> Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>>
>> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> That's another lie from you, Arny. Documented.

Oh, you finally repented for all your lying, Dizzy? When did you do that?

[dizzy]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>"dizzy" > wrote in message

>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>>> Sigh. How does one know Arny Krueger is lying on Usenet?
>>>
>>> Never happens, except in the minds of people who need
>>> to think such things.
>>
>> Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
>Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.

Arny, you *regularly* make statements that something or the other has
been demonstrated or proven, that are clearly lies, because what you
claim is not supported AT ALL by logic.

Everyone makes errors of logic on occasion, but some of your errors
are so egregious that they can, IMO, only be driven by dishonesty.
From my vantage point, it's clear that you feel that your dishonest
claims are justified because your attackers do it as well, and you
feel the need to, in return, attack and antagonize, even when it is
not justified on the specific point.

Mind you, I don't think you're "below average" for this group, in this
regard, and I agree with you on most technical issues. But you're
certainly no angel, either. There's a reason why you have so many
detractors, and it's not just that you're an "objectivist".

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg sounds the red alert.

> Oh, you finally repented for all your lying, Dizzy? When did you do that?

Actually, Turdy, he's doing it now, in this thread. And it's not lying per
se that he's repenting for; it's his Kroopologism, which is much worse.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 12:14*pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 11:19 pm, "Arny Krueger" >
> > wrote:
>
> The post that sent John Atkinson in spin-spin land:

You're not up on irony, just like your 2pid sockpuppet.

> >>>> Reading between the lines, it would seem that Tom
> >>>> [Nousaine] has left a mark on the Middiot/Atkinson et al
> >>>> posse that just won't go away. He's probably more highly
> >>>> respected and more often read than the whole Stereophile
> >> >> clique.
>
> The relevant facts I claim - Nousaine is more widely respected, more
> respected in professional circles, and more widely-read than Stereophile's
> writers.

I'd guess this statement also applies to Dr. Suess.

> >> Here's what I would have written if I was using the
> >> spelling and punctuation that Atkinson approves of:
> >> John Atkinson" > wrote
> >> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
> >> speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
> >> ...circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
> >> circulation... [is only] *... 75,300.
>
> Note that all that changed is 6 minor pieces of punctuation.

LOL!

The man pointed his finger at Arny. "Innocents who are under 18 are
not fair game for the sexual desires of an adult," Arny cried. The man
was not moved by Arny's statement: "But they should be able to sleep
with whomever they want."

The man pointed his finger at Arny: "Innocents who are under 18 are
not fair game for the sexual desires of an adult." Arny
cried. ...Arny's statement: "But they should be able to sleep with
whomever they want!"

I only changed a few minor things myself. Do these both say the same
thing to you, you insane old *******?

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Ian, 11:42, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
> >> > Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> >> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> Time to get over it and let some new material float
> to the top of the bowl.
>

Sorry, its a consistent 'floater'.
He alleged he received it, then
he admitted to keeping the' supposed' kiddie porn on his
hard drive for three years.
Nobody was 'accusing' him, we were repeating
his 'own' admissions. At any
rate, the statements about his possessing it were true, n'est pas?
Of course, if he never had the kiddie porn,
then he merely was lying about it, and willfully
falsely accusing a bunch of people of sending it.
So what is it?
Did Arny keep it on his hard drive for three years, or ws he lying?

As far as my bringing it up again, its fair game,
because I was responding to Arny's claim of veracity
on RAO.

Get this straight:

I am allowed to show that Arny is a liar
when, after all, he himself requests us to "PROVE IT"

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 12:27*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" > wrote in
> On Jan 26, 11:04 am, "ScottW" > wrote:

> > "George M. Middius" <cmndr _ george @ comcast . net> wrote in

> > > Scottie, you've outdone yourself.
>
> > Please, I must defer to the master
> > ...since you personally count for 3-5
> > people accusing him....you've outdone yourself.
>
> :Dear 2pid:
>
> :Thank you so much for this most recent post of yours. You have
> :illuminated several audio points that I'd been very curious about.
>
> :I am also glad to see that you are one who not only "talks the talk"
> :but one who also "walks the walk" with integrity, honor, honesty, and
> :not a hint of hypocrisy.
>
> You're welcome. *I'll leave you to struggle along in my footsteps....
> if you can keep up. *No sign of that yet in my rear view mirror.

Try looking forward when you drive, 2pid. You'll have less accidents
that way. You may even arrive where you intended to.

lol Lol LoL lOl LOL!

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Ian, 14:00, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 26 Ian, 11:42, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
> >> >> > Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> >> >> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> >> > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> >> > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> >> > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> >> How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> >> Time to get over it and let some new material float
> >> to the top of the bowl.
>
> > Sorry, its a consistent 'floater'.
>
> Your flusher has been broken for far too long
> then. Try a scooper.....
> but bobbing for apples is not a good idea IMO.
>
> > He alleged he received it, then
> > he admitted to keeping the' supposed' kiddie porn on his
> > hard drive for three years.
> > Nobody was 'accusing' him, we were repeating
> > his 'own' admissions. At any
> > rate, the statements about his possessing it were true, n'est pas?
> > Of course, if he never had the kiddie porn,
> > then he merely was lying about it, and willfully
> > falsely accusing a bunch of people of sending it.
> > So what is it?
> > Did Arny keep it on his hard drive for three years, or ws he lying?
>
> Why should anyone care?
>
>
>
> > As far as my bringing it up again, its fair game,
> > because I was responding to Arny's claim of veracity
> > on RAO.
>
> > Get this straight:
>
> > I am allowed to show that Arny is a liar
> > when, after all, he himself requests us to "PROVE IT"
>
> AFAIAC...Arny crap is the worst OT posts.
> They are unforgivably boring.
>
> How about an AP subject preface so I can filter
> the Arny Posts?
>
> ScottW

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Ian, 14:00, "ScottW" > wrote:
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On 26 Ian, 11:42, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >> >> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
> >> >> > Bunk, Arny. I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> >> >> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> >> > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> >> > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> >> > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> >> How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> >> Time to get over it and let some new material float
> >> to the top of the bowl.
>
> > Sorry, its a consistent 'floater'.
>
> Your flusher has been broken for far too long
> then. Try a scooper.....
> but bobbing for apples is not a good idea IMO.
>
> > He alleged he received it, then
> > he admitted to keeping the' supposed' kiddie porn on his
> > hard drive for three years.
> > Nobody was 'accusing' him, we were repeating
> > his 'own' admissions. At any
> > rate, the statements about his possessing it were true, n'est pas?
> > Of course, if he never had the kiddie porn,
> > then he merely was lying about it, and willfully
> > falsely accusing a bunch of people of sending it.
> > So what is it?
> > Did Arny keep it on his hard drive for three years, or ws he lying?
>
> Why should anyone care?
>
>

LOL!
Because they were probably illegal
immigrants stealing 'jobs'
form US children.

the real answer is twofold.
First, When Arny is caught in further lies,
or when Arny challenges us with claims of his veracity,
it will be illustrated agian.

Second, when a new poster shows up
in his so-called 'posse' hehehe,
he needs to shown exactly what kind of character he is dealing with.



>
> > As far as my bringing it up again, its fair game,
> > because I was responding to Arny's claim of veracity
> > on RAO.
>
> > Get this straight:
>
> > I am allowed to show that Arny is a liar
> > when, after all, he himself requests us to "PROVE IT"
>
> AFAIAC...Arny crap is the worst OT posts.
> They are unforgivably boring.
>
> How about an AP subject preface so I can filter
> the Arny Posts?
>

Just take it for granted that whenever I am responding
to Arny, it is something
you would rather not read.

[George M. Middius]

Shhhh! said:

> > > > Scottie, you've outdone yourself.

> > > Please, I must defer to the master

[snip]

> Try looking forward when you drive, 2pid. You'll have less accidents
> that way. You may even arrive where you intended to.

This is why I've started ignoring Witless's IKYABWAIs. They're always the
beginning of his descent into complete confusion.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 10:44�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 26 Ian, 11:42, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > >> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
> > >> > Bunk, Arny. �I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> > >> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> > > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> > > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> > > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> > How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> > Time to get over it and let some new material float
> > to the top of the bowl.
>
> Sorry, its a consistent 'floater'.
> He alleged he received it, then
> �he admitted to keeping the' supposed' kiddie porn on his
> hard drive for three years.
> Nobody was 'accusing' him, we were repeating
> his 'own' admissions. At any
> rate, the statements about his possessing it were true, n'est pas?
> Of course, if he never had the kiddie porn,
> then he merely was lying about it, and willfully
> falsely accusing a bunch of people of sending it.
> So what is it?
> Did Arny keep it on his hard drive for three years, or ws he lying?
>
> As far as my bringing it up again, its fair game,
> because I was responding to Arny's claim of veracity
> on RAO.
>
> Get this straight:
>
> I am allowed to show that Arny is a liar
> when, after all, he himself requests us to "PROVE IT"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The amazing thing was that Arny came dangerously close to going to
jail. He now has a file with local law enforcement, and they kept
surveillance on him for a while. All this because Arny couldn't admit
that he lied on the Internet.

That's the truth of the matter right there.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 12:56�pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 26, 10:44?am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Ian, 11:42, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > > On 26 Ian, 10:24, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > >> "dizzy" > wrote in message
>
> > > >> > Bunk, Arny. ?I think we've all seen you lie in here.
>
> > > >> Prove it Dizzy, you unrepentant liar.
>
> > > > Exactly how many RAO people did you falsely
> > > > accuse of sending you kiddie porn?
> > > > Was it 10, 20, or more like 30?
>
> > > How many accused him of possessing kiddie porn?
>
> > > Time to get over it and let some new material float
> > > to the top of the bowl.
>
> > Sorry, its a consistent 'floater'.
> > He alleged he received it, then
> > ?he admitted to keeping the' supposed' kiddie porn on his
> > hard drive for three years.
> > Nobody was 'accusing' him, we were repeating
> > his 'own' admissions. At any
> > rate, the statements about his possessing it were true, n'est pas?
> > Of course, if he never had the kiddie porn,
> > then he merely was lying about it, and willfully
> > falsely accusing a bunch of people of sending it.
> > So what is it?
> > Did Arny keep it on his hard drive for three years, or ws he lying?
>
> > As far as my bringing it up again, its fair game,
> > because I was responding to Arny's claim of veracity
> > on RAO.
>
> > Get this straight:
>
> > I am allowed to show that Arny is a liar
> > when, after all, he himself requests us to "PROVE IT"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> :The amazing thing was that Arny came dangerously close to going to
> :jail. �He now has a file with local law enforcement, and they kept
> :surveillance on him for a while. �All this because Arny couldn't admit
> :that he lied on the Internet.
>
> :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> Even George won't go that low.

That would be fruits, as in plural.

>
> JJ had some ass file a complaint to his employer
> which was part of why he left.

JJ didn't demand that people report him, or else he would list them as
accomplices.

> I've had assholes calling me in the middle of the night
> asking for Jamie.

I've had assholes named Jamie sending pornographic spam to my
children's e-mail address. Which one do you think is worse?

� People engaging in that crap are
> scum, plain and simple and in very large part responsible
> for why this group is as desolate as it is.

So the copious OT posting has nothing to do with it?

> They simply have lousy lives and stoop to anything
> to amuse themselves.

Agreed.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Witlessmongrel snarls and growls and shows us his "high moral fiber".

> Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?

Now tell us you're not a homophobe.

> Even George won't go that low.

See?

> JJ had some ass file a complaint to his employer

Boy, that's a stupid claim, even for you, Scooter. The harassment came
from Lyin' Bwian. You know -- RAO's other insane playmate. Phoebe isn't
devious enough to put someone up to that.

> I've had assholes calling me in the middle of the night
> asking for Jamie.

Don't tell Marc about that. He'll think you're retarded.

> People engaging in that crap are
> scum, plain and simple and in very large part responsible
> for why this group is as desolate as it is.

Wait a second ... earlier today you said RAO's biggest problem is all the
posts about how ****ty Krooger is. Now you're saying that the worst part
of RAO is when crazy people take their arguments outside RAO?

The next President will not be a religious nut, Scooter. Prepare yourself
for Armageddon!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 1:00*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> AFAIAC...Arny crap is the worst OT posts.
> They are unforgivably boring.

You should read the stuff you write sometime.

> How about an AP subject preface so I can filter
> the Arny Posts?

I'd suggest filtering out "ScottW" posts. They're far less
interesting. Plus he doesn't understand common English.

lol Lol LoL lOl LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 1:06*pm, "ScottW" > wrote:

> Actually... I'm right where I want to be.

How unfortunate for you. An angry, dull, bitter hypocrite of a little
man who can't understand his native language, who cannot understand
anything that's said to him (or, for that matter, anything that he
says), who's confused by the world around him...

Aside from how you arrived there, be it poor genetics, drugs, the
affects of the tertiary stage of syphilis, abuse as a child, mental
problems, or whatever, why on earth would you want to be where you
are? Do you truly hope that your children turn out like you have?

If so, you should be jailed for neglect.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 26, 1:17*pm, George M. Middius <cmndr _ george @ comcast .
net> wrote:

> This is why I've started ignoring Witless's IKYABWAIs. They're always the
> beginning of his descent into complete confusion.

To ignore 2pid's IKYABWAIs is to ignore 2pid.

As 2pid would say, that's all he's "got".

[Harry Lavo]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
...
> On Jan 25, 11:19 pm, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>> Here's what I would have written if I was using the spelling and
>> punctuation that Atkinson approves of:
>>
>> John Atkinson" > wrote
>> Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine contributes
>> speaker measurements to, has ... [vastly larger]
>> ...circulation, [just under] ...200,000. Stereophile's
>> circulation... [is only] ... 75,300.
>
> Thank you for making the correction, Mr. Krueger.
> Now that wasn't so hard, was it. The next step,
> now that your editorial interjections have been
> correctly identified, is for readers to judge for
> themselves whether your editorial deletions and
> omissions have altered the meaning of the
> original text. For comparison, here is what I
> originally wrote:
>
> "Sound & Vision, the magazine Tom Nousaine
> contributes speaker measurements to, has seen
> a catastrophic decrease in circulation, from [more
> than] 400,000 to [less than] 200,000, in the past 2
> years, has suffered swingeing staff cuts, and Mr.
> Nousaine's contributions have been reduced
> considerably. By contrast, Stereophile's circulation
> has increased by 2% 2006-2007, to 75,300."
>
> Rather different in meaning, as I am sure readers will
> see for themselves.

Meaning? Arny don't need no stinkin' meaning. If it is yours, not his,
that is.

Arny has long shown he has no integrity when it comes to quoting others.
This is just one particularly egregious example of how he *edits*.

[Jenn]

In article >,
"ScottW" > wrote:

> JJ had some ass file a complaint to his employer
> which was part of why he left.
> I've had assholes calling me in the middle of the night
> asking for Jamie. People engaging in that crap are
> scum, plain and simple and in very large part responsible
> for why this group is as desolate as it is.
> They simply have lousy lives and stoop to anything
> to amuse themselves.

Exchanges I had with a poster in another group so angered him that he
threatened to kill me. Then he showed up at my door. Jerks run rampant
on Usenet.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 3:06�pm, Jenn > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> �"ScottW" > wrote:
> > JJ had some ass file a complaint to his employer
> > which was part of why he left.
> > I've had assholes calling me in the middle of the night
> > asking for Jamie. � People engaging in that crap are
> > scum, plain and simple and in very large part responsible
> > for why this group is as desolate as it is.
> > They simply have lousy lives and stoop to anything
> > to amuse themselves.
>
> Exchanges I had with a poster in another group so angered him that he
> threatened to kill me. �Then he showed up at my door. �Jerks run rampant
> on Usenet.

I had some dude "looking for me" at this year's CES because of
comments I've made about the Technics SL1200. It's not just
Usenet...it's the entire audio world.

Funny how the people who are the most uptight about this stuff have
the ****tiest systems.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 1:52�pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
> wrote:
> On Jan 26, 1:06�pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > Actually... I'm right where I want to be.
>
> How unfortunate for you. An angry, dull, bitter hypocrite of a little
> man who can't understand his native language, who cannot understand
> anything that's said to him (or, for that matter, anything that he
> says), who's confused by the world around him...
>
> Aside from how you arrived there, be it poor genetics, drugs, the
> affects of the tertiary stage of syphilis, abuse as a child, mental
> problems, or whatever, why on earth would you want to be where you
> are? Do you truly hope that your children turn out like you have?
>
> If so, you should be jailed for neglect.

I'd be inclined to go with the syphillis theory. Every few months, I
come on here and engage Arny in some sort of debate, and every time
his responses grow weaker and more feeble. I know I've talked about
this before, but it's no "debating trade" strategy. Arny's brain is
slowly decaying from spending years of his life on the Internet. If
you're here all the time, you may or may not notice it, but I do.
This thread is strange because Arny's only defense to being called a
liar is to say, "No I'm not, you are!"

Many of us have harbored bad thoughts about Arny. It seems ironic
that the worst damage is self-inflicted.

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:


> :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> Even George won't go that low.
>


Are you joking?????

It was Arny himself who went to the
police and and told them he had this kiddie
porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 3:39�pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> > Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> > Even George won't go that low.
>
> Are you joking?????
>
> It was Arny himself who went to the
> police and and told them he had this kiddie
> porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!

He was lying. The Michigan State Police have no record of the
incident.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Marc said:

> > It was Arny himself who went to the
> > police and and told them he had this kiddie
> > porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> > Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!
>
> He was lying. The Michigan State Police have no record of the
> incident.

Maybe so, but Krooger revealed that he met with an "undercover" kiddie
porn investigator. It might have been this guy:

http://www.gijoe.50megs.com/Undercover%20Agent.JPG

[[email protected]]

On Jan 26, 7:52�pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 26, 3:39?pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> > > Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> > > Even George won't go that low.
>
> > Are you joking?????
>
> > It was Arny himself who went to the
> > police and and told them he had this kiddie
> > porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> > Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!
>
> :He was lying. �The Michigan State Police have no record of the
> :incident.
>
> �Glad that's finally settled :).
>
> ScottW

It could have been settled years ago, with Arny saying, "I lied to you
guys. No one sent me kiddie porn."

Boon

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Ian, 03:32, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 26, 7:52?pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Jan 26, 3:39?pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > > :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> > > > Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> > > > Even George won't go that low.
>
> > > Are you joking?????
>
> > > It was Arny himself who went to the
> > > police and and told them he had this kiddie
> > > porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> > > Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!
>
> > :He was lying. ?The Michigan State Police have no record of the
> > :incident.
>
> > ?Glad that's finally settled :).
>
> > ScottW
>
> :It could have been settled years ago, with Arny saying, "I lied to you
> :guys. No one sent me kiddie porn."
>
> You're really not going to depend on Arny to settle anything....
> are you?
>
> ScottW

We rely on Arny to be an absolute liar. It's a given.

[Arny Krueger]

"ScottW" > wrote in message

> > wrote in message
> ...
> On Jan 26, 7:52?pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>> On Jan 26, 3:39?pm, Clyde Slick
>> > wrote:
>>> On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>>
>>>>> That's the truth of the matter right there.
>>
>>>> Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
>>>> Even George won't go that low.
>>
>>> Are you joking?????
>>
>>> It was Arny himself who went to the
>>> police and and told them he had this kiddie
>>> porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
>>> Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be
>>> lying!
>>
>>> He was lying. ?The Michigan State Police have no record
>>> of the incident.
>>
>> ?Glad that's finally settled :).
>>
>> ScottW
>
>> It could have been settled years ago, with Arny saying,
>> "I lied to you guys. No one sent me kiddie porn."
>
> You're really not going to depend on Arny to settle
> anything.... are you?

Boonie is talking 100% out the back of his neck. Anybody who thinks that the
MSP is going to tell Boonie anything is nuts. If they did, I could sue. The
only people they can talk to the public about is people who were convicted.
Boonie certainly has 10 or more times as many convictions for sex-related
issues as I do, if you know what I mean. Ten times zero is zero.

[Clyde Slick]

On 27 Ian, 07:12, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:


>
> Boonie is talking 100% out the back of his neck. Anybody who thinks that the
> MSP is going to tell Boonie anything is nuts. If they did, I could sue. The
> only people they can talk to the public about is people who were convicted.

I didn't consider that possibility.

[[email protected]]

On Jan 27, 12:32�am, "ScottW" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 26, 7:52?pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message
>
> ...
> > On Jan 26, 3:39?pm, Clyde Slick > wrote:
>
> > > On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> > > > :That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> > > > Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> > > > Even George won't go that low.
>
> > > Are you joking?????
>
> > > It was Arny himself who went to the
> > > police and and told them he had this kiddie
> > > porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> > > Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be lying!
>
> > :He was lying. ?The Michigan State Police have no record of the
> > :incident.
>
> > ?Glad that's finally settled :).
>
> > ScottW
>
> :It could have been settled years ago, with Arny saying, "I lied to you
> :guys. �No one sent me kiddie porn."
>
> You're really not going to depend on Arny to settle anything....
> are you?
>
> ScottW- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I depend on Arny to do one thing...provide us all with a cautionary
tale about what happens when you spend your life playing on the
Internet.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 27, 4:12�am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Jan 26, 7:52?pm, "ScottW" > wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> >> On Jan 26, 3:39?pm, Clyde Slick
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On 26 Ian, 15:56, "ScottW" > wrote:
>
> >>>>> That's the truth of the matter right there.
>
> >>>> Who's the fruit who filed a complaint?
> >>>> Even George won't go that low.
>
> >>> Are you joking?????
>
> >>> It was Arny himself who went to the
> >>> police and and told them he had this kiddie
> >>> porn on his pc that someone sent him three years ago!!!!
> >>> Oh wait, that was Arny's own version, but, he could be
> >>> lying!
>
> >>> He was lying. ?The Michigan State Police have no record
> >>> of the incident.
>
> >> ?Glad that's finally settled :).
>
> >> ScottW
>
> >> It could have been settled years ago, with Arny saying,
> >> "I lied to you guys. �No one sent me kiddie porn."
>
> > You're really not going to depend on Arny to settle
> > anything.... are you?
>
> Boonie is talking 100% out the back of his neck. Anybody who thinks that the
> MSP is going to tell Boonie anything is nuts. If they did, I could sue. The
> only people they can talk to the public about is people who were convicted..
> Boonie certainly has 10 or more times as many convictions for sex-related
> issues as I do, if you know what I mean. Ten times zero is zero.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Start suing, bitch. I've already given you the names.

Boon

[[email protected]]

On Jan 27, 8:49�am, Clyde Slick > wrote:
> On 27 Ian, 07:12, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Boonie is talking 100% out the back of his neck. Anybody who thinks that the
> > MSP is going to tell Boonie anything is nuts. If they did, I could sue. The
> > only people they can talk to the public about is people who were convicted.
>
> I didn't consider that possibility.

You didn't consider that possibility because you always knew deep down
that Arny was lying about the kiddie porn, and he was lying about the
MSP. I mean, who contacts the state police about being sent kiddie
porn? Why didn't Arny contact the police in his town? (I actually
know the reason for THAT.) Why didn't Arny contact the FBI, who
usually handles these matters?

Arny's story stunk to high heaven from the beginning. This was all
just an exercise to see how far Arny would go to weasel out from
admitting he lied. Even the local authorities said so, which is why
they didn't show up at his house (at least to my knowledge). They
clearly saw Arny for what he is...another Internet loser who doesn't
have a real life.

BTW, Arny's whole confidentiality argument stands up, except in cases
of child pornography or molestation. If what Arny said was true, we
would have never found out about Pete Townshend. The police can be
very forthcoming about such things, since people get riled up about
having pedophiles in their midst. Whenever children are involved,
habeus corpus can get thrown out the window, which is why children can
be taken away from their parents without even circumstantial
evidence. The entire sordid affair was on public record if you knew
where to look.

Remember, Arny threatened to name me as an accomplice unless I did
report him. I was pretty relieved when I discovered many others
already had. Remember Jamie? He had a whole group going. He tried
to enlist George and me, but we figured out what a nutcase he really
was. That's when Jamie started challenging me to street fights in
alleys in Brooklyn. You know, people like Arny and Howard are sad,
but they look like amateurs compared to people like Jamie and Brian,
who really do try to **** with people's real lives.

Boon