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Chris Smalt
July 21st 03, 02:11 AM
John wrote:

> Problem: I used automix to mix 7 songs that were recorded live. Since
> there was chatter between songs, I mixed as 1 long song. I believe I
> saved the mix after each song and then "stored mix. But when I came
> back later to burn a cdr of the mix, I couldn't get automix to play. I
> mean it indicated it was in "play" mode, but the faders weren't
> moving. 8 hours of mixing down the tubes!


OK. Did you see the timecode running during the mix? Was "Rec' or
"Auto Rec" active when you made the fader moves? When you play back the
music, is the time code advancing? Do you see anything in the Event
list (page 5/6)? The 02R saves its edit buffer, even on power down.
So it's a good idea to save whatever is in there at this moment to a
free memory location. Then try recalling your original mix. Do you see
stuff in the event list now?



> Question: How do you group faders on the fly? Everytime I tried to
> group faders during automix, the o2r wouldn't let me. I also tried to
> group the faders before engaging automix and when I started automix,
> all the grouped faders became "ungrouped".


As soon as an Automix is played back, it recalls the first scene of the
mix - that's the scene that was active when you made a new mix (in page
2/6). Look at page 5/6, the event list. By default it starts with a
scene at 0.0.0.0. The fader group has to be stored in *that scene*, or
as soon as the timecode runs, the faders aren't grouped. If you want
those faders to be ungrouped at the start, but grouped later, you can do
that by switching scenes in the middle of a song.

It seems to me that you need to review the manual to get an idea of how
the 02R Automix was designed to work. The downside of this system is
that changes saved to the first scene in the mix may affect the sound in
a way that you didn't intend. A very useful trick is setting all faders
to "Recall safe" in page 2/5 of the Scene Memory display. (Again, these
settings have to be saved to the scene!) This lets you change the scene
settings regardless of the fader positions. Maybe you don't get that
yet - trust me, you will, if you keep on working with this mixer.

Good luck, and I hope you get back to us regarding my first paragraph.


Chris

John S. Etnier
July 21st 03, 09:07 AM
That's really good. Thanks for mentioning it!


In article >, Chris Smalt
> wrote:

> A very useful trick is setting all faders
> to "Recall safe" in page 2/5 of the Scene Memory display. (Again, these
> settings have to be saved to the scene!) This lets you change the scene
> settings regardless of the fader positions. Maybe you don't get that
> yet - trust me, you will, if you keep on working with this mixer.

--
John Etnier
Studio Dual
http://www.studiodual.com

Chris Smalt
July 21st 03, 03:47 PM
> > A very useful trick is setting all faders
> > to "Recall safe" in page 2/5 of the Scene Memory display. (Again, these
> > settings have to be saved to the scene!) This lets you change the scene
> > settings regardless of the fader positions. Maybe you don't get that
> > yet - trust me, you will, if you keep on working with this mixer.


John S. Etnier wrote:

> That's really good. Thanks for mentioning it!


Man, I thought you were the resident 02R power user! Then again, I
can't solder...

To expand on the technique mentioned, sometimes I delete the first scene
altogether and recall it manually if needed, as long as I'm not sure of
the initial positions. It also avoids accidental loss of scene edits
when you forgot to save them and you don't realize that they are still
there in the undo buffer. :)


Chris

john muir
July 23rd 03, 07:03 AM
Chris, thanks a million for your help. I really didn't understand how
the scene and automix worked together. I kept storing a new scene
after new scene during automix...I think that's partially where I got
screwed up. I mixed and saved tonight and everything worked just fine.

Here's also my answers to your questions:

OK. Did you see the timecode running during the mix? - YES
Was "Rec' or "Auto Rec" active when you made the fader moves? - YES
When you play back the music, is the time code advancing? - YES
Do you see anything in the Event list (page 5/6)? - YES I SAW SCENE
10
The 02R saves its edit buffer, even on power down. So it's a good idea
to save whatever is in there at this moment to a free memory location.
DO YOU MEAN SAVE THE SCENE TWICE??
Then try recalling your original mix. Do you see stuff in the event
list now? YES
>
>
>
> > Question: How do you group faders on the fly? Everytime I tried to
> > group faders during automix, the o2r wouldn't let me. I also tried to
> > group the faders before engaging automix and when I started automix,
> > all the grouped faders became "ungrouped".
>
>
> As soon as an Automix is played back, it recalls the first scene of the
> mix - that's the scene that was active when you made a new mix (in page
> 2/6). Look at page 5/6, the event list. By default it starts with a
> scene at 0.0.0.0. The fader group has to be stored in *that scene*, or
> as soon as the timecode runs, the faders aren't grouped. If you want
> those faders to be ungrouped at the start, but grouped later, you can do
> that by switching scenes in the middle of a song.
>
> It seems to me that you need to review the manual to get an idea of how
> the 02R Automix was designed to work. The downside of this system is
> that changes saved to the first scene in the mix may affect the sound in
> a way that you didn't intend. A very useful trick is setting all faders
> to "Recall safe" in page 2/5 of the Scene Memory display. (Again, these
> settings have to be saved to the scene!) This lets you change the scene
> settings regardless of the fader positions. Maybe you don't get that
> yet - trust me, you will, if you keep on working with this mixer.
TRIED THIS TRICK TONIGHT --WORKS!

Good luck, and I hope you get back to us regarding my first paragraph.
>
>
> Chris