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Richard Crowley
December 21st 07, 05:22 AM
"TheFlaggman" wrote...
> "Richard Crowley" wrote:
>> "Bob Ford" wrote ...
>> > The horror stories I have recently heard is there are all kinds of
>> > other things besides programs that may need to be changed to be
>> > compatible with Vista?
>>
>> It seems like hardware vendors are slower to upgrade their drivers
>> for Vista. But maybe I am just getting old and curmudgeonly.
>>
>> The main "benefits" of Vista don't seem like positives to me...
>>
>> 1) Whizzier eye-candy user interface. [Waste of CPU horsepower, IMO]
>> 2) More integrated and invasive DRM [Makes even dealing with my own
>> media files more difficult, from reports.]
>
> I agree. That DRM and authentication combined with malicious removal
> can make a mess of your set up with no warning. I had a DJ software
> app installed and it worked fine, althought I did sweep it before
> install, as well as after install to remove a cookie/data miner I was
> aware of. It was cleaned and worked fine for a long time. Then MS
> brought out all the DRM and malicious removal, and I assume some
> clause in their OS license gave them their OK to do whatever they
> wanted and the DJ softwrae was toast. The media player and encoder
> codecs were changed on another occasion and I assume it affected the
> extension files that were shared with the editor on a third occasion.
> It can be a problem, especially when they don't identify what the
> updates do or affect. It always falls back to their standard not
> agreeing with the mfrs and the license statement that says they can
> apparently do what they like with you machine and not have to tell
> you. DRM is a help to some artists and authors but definitely not
> independent producers on small scales. Too bad they kill a whole area
> of honest video buffs motivation for the sake of a few bad ones. I
> often wonder why we never hear Apple or Linux users complaining of
> similar problems.

Thanks for the warning. It strentghens my resolve to avoid
Vista for as long as possible. Maybe long enough to dump
Microsoft altogether in favor of Linux or Apple.

OTOH, I know of no more counter-intuitive and USER-
VICIOUS application than iTunes. I've lost track of the
number of iPods I've recovered for people when iTunes
suddenly decided to remove all their content. Various
fruit people have claimed that it is possible to turn off
this objectionable behavior, but none have ever explained
exactly how to do it. (Nor have they adequately explained
why it is set up that way by default.)

Laurence Payne
December 21st 07, 11:20 AM
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:22:01 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
> wrote:

>OTOH, I know of no more counter-intuitive and USER-
>VICIOUS application than iTunes. I've lost track of the
>number of iPods I've recovered for people when iTunes
>suddenly decided to remove all their content. Various
>fruit people have claimed that it is possible to turn off
>this objectionable behavior, but none have ever explained
>exactly how to do it. (Nor have they adequately explained
>why it is set up that way by default.)

I know a number of people who have been caught by iTunes wiping their
library when "synchronise" didn't do what they expected. Any
criticism of Microsoft over DRM has to be doubly aimed at Apple. I
stand by my advice, if you want a MP3 player choose ANYTHING but an
iPod.

Spex
December 21st 07, 02:48 PM
Laurence Payne wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:22:01 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
> > wrote:
>
>> OTOH, I know of no more counter-intuitive and USER-
>> VICIOUS application than iTunes. I've lost track of the
>> number of iPods I've recovered for people when iTunes
>> suddenly decided to remove all their content. Various
>> fruit people have claimed that it is possible to turn off
>> this objectionable behavior, but none have ever explained
>> exactly how to do it. (Nor have they adequately explained
>> why it is set up that way by default.)

Richard,
The default iTunes mode is for the general simpleton who has to have
iTunes sync everything automatically. Turning off sync everything
clears the iPod ready for manually updating. Manually updating is a
simple case of drag and dropping from iTunes into the iPod. What could
be simpler?

>
> I know a number of people who have been caught by iTunes wiping their
> library when "synchronise" didn't do what they expected. Any
> criticism of Microsoft over DRM has to be doubly aimed at Apple. I
> stand by my advice, if you want a MP3 player choose ANYTHING but an
> iPod.

???

Looks like you are pretty much alone in that mindset. All I see are
white leads coming out of people's ears.

If you want the creme de la creme of uber **** MP3 and media management
software you simply must try Sony's walkmans and Connect software. By
comparison iTunes is years ahead. And I speak from experience. The
walkman wasn't bad but holy **** the software was mental..

The simple answer is to ensure you backup your media. Time Machine on
Leopard is ideal for this task.

Despite being a switcher to the Mac I maintain a healthy skepticism of
Apple. They are not whiter than white like the fanboi would let you
believe but they do have the ability to impress from time to time.
Leopard is one of those moments. From the abysmal early releases of OS
X it has come a long way.

All I have to say on Vista is..... what were Microsoft thinking?

Laurence Payne
December 21st 07, 03:04 PM
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:48:00 +0000, Spex > wrote:

>All I have to say on Vista is..... what were Microsoft thinking?

I know I OUGHT to hate Vista. It's only on one of my computers. But,
apart from the odd device still waiting for a driver - as happens with
all os updates - I'm afraid everything I've thrown at it so far has
worked perfectly well. I expect it'll do something really nasty to
me soon, so I can join the correct thinkers :-)

Richard Crowley
December 21st 07, 03:52 PM
"Spex" wrote ...
> Richard,
> The default iTunes mode is for the general simpleton who has to have
> iTunes sync everything automatically. Turning off sync everything
> clears the iPod ready for manually updating.

Yeah, people keep saying that, but I've spent only an hour
trying to discover how to "turn off" this "feature". The UI
design drove me so crazy that I gave up after an hour.

If this is really possible, surely someone has published a web
page that shows how to remove the fangs from iTunes.

Chris Hornbeck
December 22nd 07, 02:25 AM
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:20:29 +0000, Laurence Payne
<NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>I know a number of people who have been caught by iTunes wiping their
>library when "synchronise" didn't do what they expected.

This has been reported to me by some of the (much younger
and hipper) folks with whom I work. They report it as a
problem when simply connecting their iPods or iPhones to
a strange computer in a threatening manner. FWIW.

I'm too much of a fossil to be able to verify this, but have
no reason to disbelieve it, awaiting some future definition of
"belief". It does seem very possible. BUY CD'S!

Much thanks, as always,

Chris Hornbeck

Richard Crowley
December 22nd 07, 02:34 AM
"Chris Hornbeck" wrote ...
> Laurence Payne wrote:
>> I know a number of people who have been caught by
>> iTunes wiping their library when "synchronise" didn't do
>> what they expected.
>
> This has been reported to me by some of the (much younger
> and hipper) folks with whom I work. They report it as a
> problem when simply connecting their iPods or iPhones to
> a strange computer in a threatening manner. FWIW.

And two of my reports are from users in their 60s and
70s (but sentient, nonetheless! :-) . Again, FWIW.

> I'm too much of a fossil to be able to verify this, but have
> no reason to disbelieve it, awaiting some future definition of
> "belief". It does seem very possible. BUY CD'S!

Or raw, non-DRM MP3s from a legitimate source.
I maintain an annual subscription to www.emusic.com,
for example. If anyone is interested, I think I can send
you an "invitation" to try it out that is good for 50 free
downloads (or some-such enticement).