Burning wav to CD

[Boris Lau]

Hi folks,

yesterday I have recorded the first concert of my new band. It was a fun
night, and I want to share this with some friends.
I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with a regular CD
burner. I want to have it as individual tracks on CD, but of course the
steps from one track to the other should not be audible.

I can think of two options:
a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I will
remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks. Anything
else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?

b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows placing of index
points into one big wav file for burning? Linux or windows would be
fine. Would actual authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
process?

Thanks for any help
Boris

[Paul Stamler]

"Boris Lau" > wrote in message
...
> Hi folks,
>
> yesterday I have recorded the first concert of my new band. It was a fun
> night, and I want to share this with some friends.
> I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with a regular CD
> burner. I want to have it as individual tracks on CD, but of course the
> steps from one track to the other should not be audible.
>
> I can think of two options:
> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I will
> remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks. Anything
> else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?

A good idea. You should also cut a bit before the track begins, to allow for
CD players which don't cue properly. I allow 0.333 sec..

Peace,
Paul

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Boris Lau wrote:

> Hi folks,

> yesterday I have recorded the first concert of my new band. It was a
> fun night, and I want to share this with some friends.
> I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with a regular CD
> burner. I want to have it as individual tracks on CD, but of course
> the steps from one track to the other should not be audible.

Get Feurio!

> Boris


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Travis Garrison]

On Dec 18, 10:10 am, Boris Lau > wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> yesterday I have recorded the first concert of my new band. It was a fun
> night, and I want to share this with some friends.
> I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with a regular CD
> burner. I want to have it as individual tracks on CD, but of course the
> steps from one track to the other should not be audible.
>
> I can think of two options:
> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I will
> remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks. Anything
> else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?
>
> b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows placing of index
> points into one big wav file for burning? Linux or windows would be
> fine. Would actual authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
> process?
>
> Thanks for any help
> Boris

I have used both methods, and the second one is definitely quicker and
easier. Nero can do this.

Travis Garrison

[anahata]

Boris Lau wrote:

> I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with a regular CD
> burner. I want to have it as individual tracks on CD, but of course the
> steps from one track to the other should not be audible.
>
> I can think of two options:
> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I will
> remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks. Anything
> else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?

The only time I did as CD like this (i.e. continuous sound as opposed to
tracks with silence between them) I split it into a .WAV file per track
and didn't worry about zero crossings and it was fine.

> b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows placing of index
> points into one big wav file for burning? Linux or windows would be
> fine. Would actual authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
> proce

I used cdrdao (Linux) for this. You create a toc-file (plain text) with
all the indexing instructions in it, and you can do pretty well anything
you like with indexes, pre-gaps, data, audio or mixed mode CDs, CD text
etc.

You can use one huge .WAV file with cdrdao if you want - you just have
to figure out the times when you want track numbers to increment and put
the correct data in the toc-file.

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[Arny Krueger]

"Boris Lau" > wrote in message

> Hi folks,
>
> yesterday I have recorded the first concert of my new
> band. It was a fun night, and I want to share this with
> some friends.
> I have one big wave file now, and I want to burn it with
> a regular CD burner. I want to have it as individual
> tracks on CD, but of course the steps from one track to
> the other should not be audible.
>
> I can think of two options:
> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual
> files? I will remember using disc at once at 0s pause
> between the tracks. Anything else I have to consider?
> Cutting at zero crossings?

It turns out that audio CD data is blocked, and everything you record on a
CD will be forced to be chopped on block boundaries. If you want absolute
assurance that there are no clicks and pops no matter how you play the CD,
you have to be sure that your CD tracks also have a proper fade to zero at
track boundaries. In practice, making sure that the levels are very low but
not necessarily perfectly zero, seems to suffice.

What I'm saying is that if you index into a DAO CD track in the middle of
your compilation, and the audio at the block boundary that you end up
indexing into isn't really low, there may be a click. Ditto for the
beginning and the end.

> b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows
> placing of index points into one big wav file for
> burning? Linux or windows would be fine. Would actual
> authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
> process?

I've burned a ton of CDs of the style you say you desire with Cool Edit 2.1
with the CD Burning beta applied. Unfortunately, if you didn't buy into this
software a few years back, it is now practically unobtainable because the
product was sold to Adobe and they modified it greatly before they returned
it to market with the CD feature. The current version of Audition is said to
produce similar quality CD product, but the UI and performance have put me
off, and I don't use it even though I own it.

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Arny Krueger wrote:

>> b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows
>> placing of index points into one big wav file for
>> burning? Linux or windows would be fine. Would actual
>> authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
>> process?


Feurio is not free, but has a free and fully functional demo and is modestly
priced and it is just what you dream of.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Nil]

On 18 Dec 2007, Boris Lau > wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I
> will remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks.
> Anything else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?

This is the way I do it. I use the shareware program CDWave for Windows
(http://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/). It will allow you to place the
split points wherever you want, and it will split on the correct sector
boundaries. After splitting the big file into individual tracks, you
can burn them with your favorite CD writing software.

[Geoff]

Nil wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2007, Boris Lau > wrote in
> rec.audio.pro:
>
>> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I
>> will remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks.
>> Anything else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?
>
> This is the way I do it. I use the shareware program CDWave for
> Windows (http://www.milosoftware.com/cdwave/). It will allow you to
> place the split points wherever you want, and it will split on the
> correct sector boundaries. After splitting the big file into
> individual tracks, you can burn them with your favorite CD writing
> software.

If you want the best and don't mind paying, try CD Architect .

Have the soundtrack as on continuous wav with tracks or indexes dropped in
wherever you like, or plit the source media and make decrete separate tracks
with gaps.

If any trimming required and you want a conitnuous live feel, split the
event , trim off the excess, and crossfade them by simple dragging. Free
demo download available from www.sonycreativesoftware.com . You can even do
mastering in tehere with DX plugins.

No, I don't work for them or sell their stuff !

geoff

[Boris Lau]

Boris Lau wrote:
> I can think of two options:
> a) Should I cut the wav to pieces and burn the individual files? I will
> remember using disc at once at 0s pause between the tracks. Anything
> else I have to consider? Cutting at zero crossings?
>
> b) Is there a (preferably free) program that allows placing of index
> points into one big wav file for burning? Linux or windows would be
> fine. Would actual authoring tools work, or do they require the pressing
> process?

Hey all,

thanks for the advice. I used audacity to place markers and export the
segments. Unfortunately, the zero-crossing finder seems to work only
with regions, not with the cursor position, so I could not apply it to
the marker positions. Or I missed something...

Next time I will try your suggestions :)

Boris

[Boris Lau]

Boris Lau wrote:
> thanks for the advice.

Oh, and by the way, if someone is interested:
http://www.borislau.de/base/blq-whiterabbit-1207.mp3

The recording does not satisfy high quality standards, it's just a main
pair and one PA side was broken, and the multi-track recording did not
work and so on, but at least for us it was fun to listen to ;-)

Boris

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Boris Lau wrote:

> thanks for the advice. I used audacity to place markers and export the
> segments. Unfortunately, the zero-crossing finder seems to work only
> with regions, not with the cursor position, so I could not apply it to
> the marker positions. Or I missed something...

You missed http://www.feurio.de. No affiation.

> Boris


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Boris Lau]

Peter Larsen wrote:
> You missed http://www.feurio.de. No affiation.

Peter, I saw that they have an evaluation version. This is what I will
try next time :)

Thanks,

Boris