Which Caig Product for a Mackie 1604VLZ (the original VLZ model)

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Hello all !

I'm in the process of cleaning out the spider webs from a Mackie
1604VLZ mixer and would like to know which Caig product would be most
appropriate for the faders, pots and the ribbon cable connectors.

I have the Audio/Video survival kit from Caig Labs and it includes:

1. DeOxit
2. Calilube MCL
3. ProGold

All come in spray and jelly based formulas.

Any other tips, advice would be appreciated!

Happy Holidays to all!

Joey

[Laurence Payne]

>I'm in the process of cleaning out the spider webs from a Mackie
>1604VLZ mixer and would like to know which Caig product would be most
>appropriate for the faders, pots and the ribbon cable connectors.
>
>I have the Audio/Video survival kit from Caig Labs and it includes:
>
>1. DeOxit
>2. Calilube MCL
>3. ProGold
>
>All come in spray and jelly based formulas.
>
>Any other tips, advice would be appreciated!

What problem are you trying to solve? If it's the usual Mackie ribbon
cable thing with intermittent channels and busses, Caig won't help.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 16, 2:14 pm, Laurence Payne <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com>
wrote:
> >I'm in the process of cleaning out the spider webs from a Mackie
> >1604VLZ mixer and would like to know which Caig product would be most
> >appropriate for the faders, pots and the ribbon cable connectors.
>
> >I have the Audio/Video survival kit from Caig Labs and it includes:
>
> >1. DeOxit
> >2. Calilube MCL
> >3. ProGold
>
> >All come in spray and jelly based formulas.
>
> >Any other tips, advice would be appreciated!
>
> What problem are you trying to solve? If it's the usual Mackie ribbon
> cable thing with intermittent channels and busses, Caig won't help.

No it's not the ribbon cable problem.
I've already lived through that one and Mackie sent me a new set which
I installed about 2 years ago.
A real PITA BTW.

It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
(

I want to freshen it up because I'm planning on using it in my studio.

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>
>It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
>year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
>(

So apply Cailube to the pots.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Dec 16, 2:57 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
> >year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
> >(
>
> So apply Cailube to the pots.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thanks Scott!
I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 16, 3:20 pm, wrote:

> I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.

Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.

Cailube is good and it won't hurt. And if you didn't put a dab of Pro
Gold on the ribbon connectors when you replaced them, might as well do
it as long as you have the mixer opened up.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 16, 4:12 pm, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> On Dec 16, 3:20 pm, wrote:
>
> > I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> > having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> > about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> > different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
>
> Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
> dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
> afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
> kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
> pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.
>
> Cailube is good and it won't hurt. And if you didn't put a dab of Pro
> Gold on the ribbon connectors when you replaced them, might as well do
> it as long as you have the mixer opened up.


Thank you Mike and Scott for the advice.
I didn't put any Pro Gold on when I replaced the ribbon cables so as
long as I have the beast opened up, not an easy trick BTW, I shall do
that as well.

[D C[_2_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
> dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
> afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
> kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
> pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.

I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the
pots being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know
betterm of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.

[[email protected]]

On Dec 16, 5:55 pm, D C > wrote:
> Mike Rivers wrote:
> > Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
> > dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
> > afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
> > kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
> > pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.
>
> I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the
> pots being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know
> betterm of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.

I remember this as well!!
Also the fact that the knobs have a ridge on them which prevents them
from impaling themselves into the board if something gets dropped on
the desk.
IOW the ridge hits the faceplate before the the shaft of the pot ends
up coming out the back of the pot.

Gotta give Mackie credit, their manuals are legendary.

[Tim Padrick]

"D C" > wrote in message
. ..
> Mike Rivers wrote:
>
>> Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
>> dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
>> afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
>> kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
>> pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.
>
> I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the pots
> being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know betterm
> of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.

I use CRC QD Electronic Cleaner. Only if the pot is then too dry and rough
do I put a little DeOxit in it.

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> > wrote:
> >
> >It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
> >year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
> >(
>
> So apply Cailube to the pots.

How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> On Dec 16, 3:20 pm, wrote:
>
> > I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> > having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> > about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> > different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
>
> Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
> dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner.

Dust doesn't get into the pots, they're sealed.

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

> wrote:
>Thanks Scott!
>I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
>having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
>about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
>different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.

Yup, but you probably won't see carbon pots on many new designs today,
and Cailube is fine for plastic and carbon types.

Some older pot cleaners like Electrolube and Quietrole have solvents
that can damage plastic pots. I don't think any of those are still
made.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
>> >year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
>> >(
>>
>> So apply Cailube to the pots.
>
>How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?

You pop 'em open if possible, or drill a hole with a pin vise if not.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[D C[_2_]]

wrote:

>> I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the
>> pots being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know
>> betterm of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.
>
> I remember this as well!!
> Also the fact that the knobs have a ridge on them which prevents them
> from impaling themselves into the board if something gets dropped on
> the desk.
> IOW the ridge hits the faceplate before the the shaft of the pot ends
> up coming out the back of the pot.
>
> Gotta give Mackie credit, their manuals are legendary.


One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
martinis", or something like that.

[Scott Dorsey]

D C > wrote:
>
>One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>martinis", or something like that.

Fred Waring did both.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 16, 5:55 pm, D C > wrote:

> I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the
> pots being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know
> betterm of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.

The sealed pots were on the 6000 series mixers and were rotary Type J
top quality parts. The slide faders, as far as I know, have always
been open. And I didn't write those manuals.

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 16, 6:03 pm, Eeyore >
wrote:

> How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?

I think we're really talking about faders here, but are the rotary
pots really sealed? I mean REALLY sealed? I don't think so.

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> > wrote:
> >Thanks Scott!
> >I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> >having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> >about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> >different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
>
> Yup, but you probably won't see carbon pots on many new designs today,

Uh ?

What do you think the resistive element on all those Alps, Panasonic, Alpha
etc pots is made of ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >Scott Dorsey wrote:
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >It's just some noisy pots because the board was sitting idle for a
> >> >year or so in less than great environmental conditions. ie:a basement :
> >> >(
> >>
> >> So apply Cailube to the pots.
> >
> >How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?
>
> You pop 'em open if possible,

Not when it's surface mounted you don't.


> or drill a hole with a pin vise if not.

Have you actually done this on a Mackie or similar product using SMT ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
>
> > How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?
>
> I think we're really talking about faders here, but are the rotary
> pots really sealed? I mean REALLY sealed? I don't think so.

They're certainly sealed against dust. It's not a hermetic seal, it'll
let liquids in but there's no 'hole' as older designs used to have. The
terminals come out through a moulding.

Graham

[D C[_2_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>> martinis", or something like that.
>
> Fred Waring did both.
> --scott

I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?

[D C[_2_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:

>> I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the
>> pots being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know
>> betterm of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.
>
> The sealed pots were on the 6000 series mixers and were rotary Type J
> top quality parts. The slide faders, as far as I know, have always
> been open. And I didn't write those manuals.

Oh. Is the 6000 series the original MS1202 and CR1604? (I still have mine.)

[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> On Dec 16, 6:03 pm, Eeyore >
> wrote:

>> How do you do that with sealed surface mount pots ?

> I think we're really talking about faders here, but are the rotary
> pots really sealed? I mean REALLY sealed? I don't think so.

Could it be that they have a one way seal like sealed ball bearings .... one
that allows things in, but not out.

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>> >Thanks Scott!
>> >I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
>> >having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
>> >about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
>> >different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
>>
>> Yup, but you probably won't see carbon pots on many new designs today,
>
>Uh ?
>
>What do you think the resistive element on all those Alps, Panasonic, Alpha
>etc pots is made of ?

Plastic with embedded carbon. Not pure carbon.

You can get pure carbon pots still; the Type Js are still in the A-B
catalogue and some of the real cheapies from China are carbon element.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore > wrote:
>> or drill a hole with a pin vise if not.
>
>Have you actually done this on a Mackie or similar product using SMT ?

The Mackie 1604 pots aren't sealed so you don't have to do this. But I
have done it plenty of times, most recently on an Extron video scaler.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

D C > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>>> martinis", or something like that.
>>
>> Fred Waring did both.
>
>I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?

No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 16, 10:24 pm, D C > wrote:

> Oh. Is the 6000 series the original MS1202 and CR1604? (I still have mine.)

No, the 6000 series was a Tapco product, Greg Mackie's company before
Audio Control and eventually Mackie Designs. Tapco was purchased by
Electro-Voice and they continued to sell mixers and power amplifiers
for a few years before retiring the line. The current (LOUD
Technologies) Mackie brand uses the name Tapco for their intro-grade
line of audio products.

The 6000 series mixer was built like a tank (as were the earliest
Mackies like your 1202 and 1604) and had rotary pots, not slide
faders.

http://i5.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cb/e5/a90a_1.JPG

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 17, 3:12 am, "Peter Larsen" > wrote:

> Could it be that they have a one way seal like sealed ball bearings .... one
> that allows things in, but not out.

This is one of those things that I've just never seen a need to study
in depth. However, I have been amazed that, when I have a noisy pot
that appears to be sealed, I can shoot a little cleaner toward the
pot, work it in, and it both feels and sounds better. So some of it
must be getting inside one way or another. Maybe it leaches down the
shaft molecule by molecule. Maybe it finds a crack in the case
assembly.

We all know, of course, that a shot of contact cleaner in a pot,
particularly a "sealed" pot, is only a temporary measure. If it's worn
before cleaning, it's still worn, and will get noisy again sooner or
later, mostly sooner. But for all the people who don't want to take
their gear into the shop, it's something they can do at home that will
make them feel like they're fixing it.

[Arny Krueger]

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message

> On Dec 16, 10:24 pm, D C > wrote:
>
>> Oh. Is the 6000 series the original MS1202 and CR1604?
>> (I still have mine.)

> No, the 6000 series was a Tapco product, Greg Mackie's
> company before Audio Control and eventually Mackie
> Designs. Tapco was purchased by Electro-Voice and they
> continued to sell mixers and power amplifiers for a few
> years before retiring the line. The current (LOUD
> Technologies) Mackie brand uses the name Tapco for their
> intro-grade line of audio products.

> The 6000 series mixer was built like a tank (as were the
> earliest Mackies like your 1202 and 1604) and had rotary
> pots, not slide faders.
>
> http://i5.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cb/e5/a90a_1.JPG

I seem to recall that some early Tascam mixers had sliders, but they were
mechanical controvances with something like a dial cord from an old radio,
that operated regular rotary pots.

[Mike Rivers]

On Dec 17, 8:08 am, "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> I seem to recall that some early Tascam mixers had sliders, but they were
> mechanical controvances with something like a dial cord from an old radio,
> that operated regular rotary pots.

I don't recall that TASCAM ever used that technique but it was fairly
common when the ergonomics of a mixing console moved from rotary pots
to sliders. The Shure SR-101 used the slider-and-string setup. I
believe the famous Yamaha PM-1000 did as well.

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Eeyore > wrote:
> >Scott Dorsey wrote:
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >Thanks Scott!
> >> >I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> >> >having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> >> >about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> >> >different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
> >>
> >> Yup, but you probably won't see carbon pots on many new designs today,
> >
> >Uh ?
> >
> >What do you think the resistive element on all those Alps, Panasonic, Alpha
> >etc pots is made of ?
>
> Plastic with embedded carbon. Not pure carbon.

The one's I've seen still have a carbon track deposited on a phenolic pcb. The
*body* of the pot is moulded but not the track. And that includes Alps.


> You can get pure carbon pots still; the Type Js are still in the A-B
> catalogue and some of the real cheapies from China are carbon element.

I'm sure you'll find the bulk of pots used in mixers are still carbon track
based.

Graham

[Eeyore]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Eeyore > wrote:
> >> or drill a hole with a pin vise if not.
> >
> >Have you actually done this on a Mackie or similar product using SMT ?
>
> The Mackie 1604 pots aren't sealed

Uh ? Not hermetically sealed for sure but pretty effectively sealed against
casual ingress of stuff.

Have you done this to a *Mackie mixer* ?

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

Eeyore > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> Eeyore > wrote:
>> >> or drill a hole with a pin vise if not.
>> >
>> >Have you actually done this on a Mackie or similar product using SMT ?
>>
>> The Mackie 1604 pots aren't sealed
>
>Uh ? Not hermetically sealed for sure but pretty effectively sealed against
>casual ingress of stuff.
>
>Have you done this to a *Mackie mixer* ?

Yes.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[D C[_2_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

>>>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>>>> martinis", or something like that.
>>> Fred Waring did both.
>> I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?
>
> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.
> --scott

I figured that. I didn't know he mixed music, though.

[D C[_2_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> The 6000 series mixer was built like a tank (as were the earliest
> Mackies like your 1202 and 1604) and had rotary pots, not slide
> faders.
>
> http://i5.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cb/e5/a90a_1.JPG


I'm old enough to remember Tapco the first time around. : )

I just didn't know them by model number. The one in the photo is
familiar as a PA mixer for bands back then.

[jakdedert]

D C wrote:
> Mike Rivers wrote:
>
>> The 6000 series mixer was built like a tank (as were the earliest
>> Mackies like your 1202 and 1604) and had rotary pots, not slide
>> faders.
>>
>> http://i5.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cb/e5/a90a_1.JPG
>
>
> I'm old enough to remember Tapco the first time around. : )
>
> I just didn't know them by model number. The one in the photo is
> familiar as a PA mixer for bands back then.

First one I ever used...1975, IIRC.

jak

[Scott Dorsey]

D C > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>>>>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>>>>> martinis", or something like that.
>>>> Fred Waring did both.
>>> I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?
>>
>> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.
>
>I figured that. I didn't know he mixed music, though.

He had one of the greatest big bands of all time. He might have been the
greatest ever if Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman hadn't been in the way.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[D C[_2_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

>>>>>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
>>>>>> martinis", or something like that.

>>>>> Fred Waring did both.

>>>> I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?
>>> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.

>> I figured that. I didn't know he mixed music, though.
>
> He had one of the greatest big bands of all time. He might have been the
> greatest ever if Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman hadn't been in the way.
> --scott


Oh yeah... It all comes back to me now.

[William Sommerwerck]

> Scott Dorsey wrote:

>> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.

Actually, it was called the Waring Blendor. (He wanted a cute name for
trademark reasons.) It was originally designed to mix drinks (not music),
and was popular enough that, for a few years, blenders were generically
called "waring blenders".

Were the Pennsylvanians _really_ that great a big band?

[Scott Dorsey]

William Sommerwerck > wrote:
>
>Were the Pennsylvanians _really_ that great a big band?

Well, they weren't up with Kenton and Goodman, but I'd put them a good
notch above the mushy Glen Miller sound. Certainly in the Woody Herman
league.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Fletch]

On Dec 17, 4:42 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> Eeyore > wrote:
> >Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >Thanks Scott!
> >> >I was just worried about whatever material the Mackie pots are made of
> >> >having problems with the chemicals because I thought I read someplace
> >> >about plastic pots vs metal and carbon pots (old stuff) having
> >> >different requirements as far as flushing and re-lubing.
>
> >> Yup, but you probably won't see carbon pots on many new designs today,
>
> >Uh ?
>
> >What do you think the resistive element on all those Alps, Panasonic, Alpha
> >etc pots is made of ?
>
> Plastic with embedded carbon. Not pure carbon.
>
> You can get pure carbon pots still; the Type Js are still in the A-B
> catalogue and some of the real cheapies from China are carbon element.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hi, Scott;

Does A-B have a web site? How would I get a catalogue?

--Fletch

[Phildo]

> wrote in message
...
> Hello all !
>
> I'm in the process of cleaning out the spider webs from a Mackie
> 1604VLZ mixer and would like to know which Caig product would be most
> appropriate for the faders, pots and the ribbon cable connectors.

I didn't realise Caig made sledgehammers or high explosives.

Any model of the former used correctly will suffice or as much as possible
of the latter, preferably shaped for maximum effect when detonated.

Phildo

[[email protected]]

On Dec 17, 10:38 am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> D C > wrote:
>
> >Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> >>>>> One of the mixers (maybe the 1202) came in a box labeled "mix music and
> >>>>> martinis", or something like that.
> >>>> Fred Waring did both.
> >>> I didn't know that Fred was so well rounded. Was he from Hamilton Beach?
>
> >> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.
>
> >I figured that. I didn't know he mixed music, though.
>
> He had one of the greatest big bands of all time. He might have been the
> greatest ever if Stan Kenton and Benny Goodman hadn't been in the way.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I have a Fred Waring "Campfire Sing Along" music book somewhere around
here.
Stuff like "Little Brown Jug", Give My Regards to Broadway" etc...
My how times have changed!

Just another thanks to all that offered information!
I appreciate it.

[Scott Dorsey]

Fletch > wrote:
>
>Does A-B have a web site? How would I get a catalogue?

I don't have web access right now, but Clarostat bought the A-B line
and then they got bought out by Honeywell. But they still sell most
of the A-B items including the Mod Pot line and the old Type J pots.

Try www.clarostat.com and see if that gets you there. Otherwise call
1-800-537-6945, which I have listed on my bulletin board as their number.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

On Dec 16, 3:02*pm, "Tim Padrick" > wrote:
> "D C" > wrote in message
>
> . ..
>
> > Mike Rivers wrote:
>
> >> Mackie's official recommendation for the pots is to just blow out the
> >> dust with compressed air and not use a cleaner. I think they were
> >> afraid that if they didn't specify a brand people might get the greasy
> >> kid stuff, and if they did specify a brand they'd feel responsible for
> >> pots failing (maybe years) after a cleaning.
>
> > I remember when their first mixers came out, they made a point of the pots
> > being sealed, and none of this stuff would be needed. You'd know betterm
> > of course, since you wrote a lot of their manuals.
>
> I use CRC QD Electronic Cleaner. *Only if the pot is then too dry and rough
> do I put a littleDeOxitin it.

I use the D5 spray. It flushes the surface contaimination away and
the deoxIT works wonders on improving the connection. I have had
amazing results from it. One of my CRC products did some dmamge to
som plastics, so I do not use it anymore.
Mike

[Carey Carlan]

"William Sommerwerck" > wrote in
:

>> Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>>> No, he invented the Waring blender. No joke, he really did.
>
> Actually, it was called the Waring Blendor. (He wanted a cute name for
> trademark reasons.) It was originally designed to mix drinks (not music),
> and was popular enough that, for a few years, blenders were generically
> called "waring blenders".
>
> Were the Pennsylvanians _really_ that great a big band?

The Fred Waring singers were good.

Fred Waring sponsored Robert Shaw (of the Robert Shaw Chorale and Atlanta
Symphony Orchestra) early in his career to gain the benefit of his choral
techniques. Shaw is in the handful of top choral innovators of all time
and Waring's voices showed the improvements before Shaw's own groups became
famous.