Re: [News] Free Software Becomes an Appealing Option, Rosegarden 1.6.0 Available

[flatfish]

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:35:08 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
> wrote:

>Free software from networks of programmers
>
>,----[ Quote ]
>| Find ways to do tasks without charge by means of 'open source' technology
>`----
>
>http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/215073
>
>Linux Sequencer Updated

These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
Lack of support for the top firewire and control surfaces is just the
start.

Rosegarden is like Windows sequencers circa 1985, only not as good.
Audacity is decent.
Ardour isn't bad.
But again it's all about the plugins and interface support and that's
where Linux dies.
Streaming audio to disk is trivial.
Making plugins like Ivory, Bias, Waves, EastWest, UAD is not and that
is where Linux dies.

[7]

micoshaft asstroturfer flatfish wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:35:08 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
> > wrote:
>
>>Free software from networks of programmers
>>
>>,----[ Quote ]
>>| Find ways to do tasks without charge by means of 'open source'
>>| technology
>>`----
>>
>>http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/215073
>>
>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>
> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.

But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
to become a musician free of charge.

> Lack of support for the top firewire and control surfaces is just the
> start.
>
> Rosegarden is like Windows sequencers circa 1985, only not as good.
> Audacity is decent.
> Ardour isn't bad.
> But again it's all about the plugins and interface support and that's
> where Linux dies.
> Streaming audio to disk is trivial.
> Making plugins like Ivory, Bias, Waves, EastWest, UAD is not and that
> is where Linux dies.

Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
musicians use Linux for.

You have never used dynebolic I can see and the hundred or so
free music utilities that come with it.
You know people have been making podcasts
for years with that free of charge. They are just the part
of 1 million new Linux users per month switching to Linux and
the rate is increasing.

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

[flatfish]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:05 GMT, 7
> wrote:

>micoshaft asstroturfer flatfish wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:35:08 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Free software from networks of programmers
>>>
>>>,----[ Quote ]
>>>| Find ways to do tasks without charge by means of 'open source'
>>>| technology
>>>`----
>>>
>>>http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/215073
>>>
>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>
>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>
>But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>to become a musician free of charge.


And what makes you think that free stuff for Windows or Mac does not
exist?

Try Reaper.
Supports VST and all the plugins I mentioned.
And you can donate $50.00 if you like it, but you don't *have* to.

Audacity is free for Windows as well BTW.

Waveasaurus is free.



>> Lack of support for the top firewire and control surfaces is just the
>> start.
>>
>> Rosegarden is like Windows sequencers circa 1985, only not as good.
>> Audacity is decent.
>> Ardour isn't bad.
>> But again it's all about the plugins and interface support and that's
>> where Linux dies.
>> Streaming audio to disk is trivial.
>> Making plugins like Ivory, Bias, Waves, EastWest, UAD is not and that
>> is where Linux dies.
>
>Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
>musicians use Linux for.

You're right.
I DON'T know what professional musicians use Linux for.
That's because :

Professional musicians DON'T USE LINUX AT ALL.

>You have never used dynebolic I can see and the hundred or so
>free music utilities that come with it.

Mostly kidd stuff.
I've used 64studio as well.
Same crap.

It's Windows circa 1985 or so.
Dr T's did more in fact.
Can you say Atari?

>You know people have been making podcasts
>for years with that free of charge. They are just the part
>of 1 million new Linux users per month switching to Linux and
>the rate is increasing.

Podcasts?
Like Roy Schestowitz's sleeper?
What does making podcasts have to do with recording 32 tracks of audio
for CD?

And could you please prove that 1 million new Linux users per month?


>http://www.livecdlist.com
>http://www.distrowatch.com
>

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:05 GMT, 7
> wrote:

>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>
>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>
>But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>to become a musician free of charge.

Get real. They're using cracked versions of mainstream applications.

[flatfish]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:37:21 +0000, Laurence Payne
<NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:05 GMT, 7
> wrote:
>
>>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>>
>>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>>
>>But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>>to become a musician free of charge.
>
>Get real. They're using cracked versions of mainstream applications.

Why?
Educational versions exist that cost a fraction of what the commercial
versions cost.
Steiny, Cakewalk, Waves, all of them offer legal student discounts.
You just have to ask.
For most, in USA (EU is different), all it takes is a photo copy of a
student ID card. You don't even have to be majoring in music for most
of them.

I would guess that you will find more semi-pro wanna-bees and
collectors (ie: the guy that uses a cracked copy of Nuendo to edit his
podcasts) using cracked software than college students.

[rboy]

On Dec 9, 7:14 pm, 7 > wrote:

> But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
> to become a musician free of charge.


The average college kid would consider sitting in front of any of
these convoluted softwares a waste of time. They want to record
stuff, not poke around inside an Atari sequencer wannabe to no avail.

[flatfish]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:04:42 -0800 (PST), rboy >
wrote:

>On Dec 9, 7:14 pm, 7 > wrote:
>
>> But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>> to become a musician free of charge.
>
>
>The average college kid would consider sitting in front of any of
>these convoluted softwares a waste of time. They want to record
>stuff, not poke around inside an Atari sequencer wannabe to no avail.

And there lies the problem with Linux.

First you have to get Jack working.
Anyone who has worked with JACk knows it is a clusterfcuk.
Then you have to disable any other sound systems you have running.
Then you have the permissions problems.
Not running as Root, good luck with latency.

And now, even after you manage to get things running, what are you
looking at?
Ardour?
Rosegarden?

Hell, you can download Reaper for free and be palying the Yammy grand
in Ivory in 3 minutes or less (broadband and assuming you already have
Ivory)

Linux?
Yea, some click and point keyboard making 12 bit squeaks and squawks
circa 1975......
And that's assuming you can actually make Linux work.

Sorry, but we all would love nothing better than to not pay $600 to
Digi or Steiny or Cake or whomever, but Linux just ain't the ticket
outta here.

[rboy]

On Dec 9, 8:10 pm, flatfish > wrote:

> Hell, you can download Reaper for free and be palying the Yammy grand
> in Ivory in 3 minutes or less (broadband and assuming you already have
> Ivory)


Reaper is leaps and bounds above any open source Linux audio app I've
seen. It's a bad idea to have the user wanting to shoot themselves
ten minutes into every session attempt. Yeah, plug-ins in Reaper
means they don't even get to the starting gate.

[Roy Schestowitz]

____/ 7 on Monday 10 December 2007 00:14 : \____

> micoshaft asstroturfer flatfish wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:35:08 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Free software from networks of programmers
>>>
>>>,----[ Quote ]
>>>| Find ways to do tasks without charge by means of 'open source'
>>>| technology
>>>`----
>>>
>>>http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/215073
>>>
>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>
>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>
> But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
> to become a musician free of charge.
>
>> Lack of support for the top firewire and control surfaces is just the
>> start.
>>
>> Rosegarden is like Windows sequencers circa 1985, only not as good.
>> Audacity is decent.
>> Ardour isn't bad.
>> But again it's all about the plugins and interface support and that's
>> where Linux dies.
>> Streaming audio to disk is trivial.
>> Making plugins like Ivory, Bias, Waves, EastWest, UAD is not and that
>> is where Linux dies.
>
> Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
> musicians use Linux for.
>
> You have never used dynebolic I can see and the hundred or so
> free music utilities that come with it.
> You know people have been making podcasts
> for years with that free of charge. They are just the part
> of 1 million new Linux users per month switching to Linux and
> the rate is increasing.
>
> http://www.livecdlist.com
> http://www.distrowatch.com

A lot of professional (top-notch) audio equipment is Linux-based. I posted one
example yesterday. Hollywood uses GNU/Linux for film production as well.

Ignore the troll.

--
~~ Best of wishes

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[Peter Larsen[_2_]]

7 wrote:

> Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
> musicians use Linux for.

File server probably.

> for years with that free of charge. They are just the part
> of 1 million new Linux users per month switching to Linux and
> the rate is increasing.

One million linux users swithing to another brand of linux per month ...
huh?


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Hadron]

"Peter Larsen" > writes:

> 7 wrote:
>
>> Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
>> musicians use Linux for.
>
> File server probably.
>
>> for years with that free of charge. They are just the part
>> of 1 million new Linux users per month switching to Linux and
>> the rate is increasing.
>
> One million linux users swithing to another brand of linux per month ...
> huh?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen


7 is the group's Ruprecht. He can be amusing at times too. So long as
the Genital Cuff is on.

[7]

Asstroturfer flatfish wrote on behalf of big corporations:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:37:21 +0000, Laurence Payne
> <NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:05 GMT, 7
> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>>>
>>>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>>>
>>>But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>>>to become a musician free of charge.
>>
>>Get real. They're using cracked versions of mainstream applications.
>
> Why?
> Educational versions exist that cost a fraction of what the commercial
> versions cost.
> Steiny, Cakewalk, Waves, all of them offer legal student discounts.
> You just have to ask.
> For most, in USA (EU is different), all it takes is a photo copy of a
> student ID card. You don't even have to be majoring in music for most
> of them.
>
> I would guess that you will find more semi-pro wanna-bees and
> collectors (ie: the guy that uses a cracked copy of Nuendo to edit his
> podcasts) using cracked software than college students.

All the students I have ever met were commatozed on pirated software.
Its the only way their budgets will stretch.
If universities were to understand this for one minute
and hand out free software like Dynebolic, Ubuntu, Knoppix etc,
then students wouldn't need to pirate.
From wave editors to sequencers, I haven't had a single problem using
Dynebolic. With most distros, you just use synaptic to
download multimedia software
and you are away streaming audio and video in next to no time.
Your own radio and TV station from just a humble PC!!

The software and source code is all free...
http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

[7]

flatfish wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:14:05 GMT, 7
> > wrote:
>
>>micoshaft asstroturfer flatfish wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:35:08 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Free software from networks of programmers
>>>>
>>>>,----[ Quote ]
>>>>| Find ways to do tasks without charge by means of 'open source'
>>>>| technology
>>>>`----
>>>>
>>>>http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/215073
>>>>
>>>>Linux Sequencer Updated
>>>
>>> These things are a total waste for the professional musician.
>>
>>But not a waste of time for the average college kid trying
>>to become a musician free of charge.
>
>
> And what makes you think that free stuff for Windows or Mac does not
> exist?
>
> Try Reaper.
> Supports VST and all the plugins I mentioned.
> And you can donate $50.00 if you like it, but you don't *have* to.
>
> Audacity is free for Windows as well BTW.
>
> Waveasaurus is free.
>
>
>
>>> Lack of support for the top firewire and control surfaces is just the
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Rosegarden is like Windows sequencers circa 1985, only not as good.
>>> Audacity is decent.
>>> Ardour isn't bad.
>>> But again it's all about the plugins and interface support and that's
>>> where Linux dies.
>>> Streaming audio to disk is trivial.
>>> Making plugins like Ivory, Bias, Waves, EastWest, UAD is not and that
>>> is where Linux dies.
>>
>>Your reviews materially suck as you don't know what professional
>>musicians use Linux for.
>
> You're right.
> I DON'T know what professional musicians use Linux for.
> That's because :
>
> Professional musicians DON'T USE LINUX AT ALL.


There is a lot of kit out there that uses Linux
even if you didn't know it.
In any case, there is nothing to stop professional musicians ringing up
the developers and asking them to put in some modifications
and pay a bounty when its done. You know, I always wanted
a waveform cut and paste function that cuts and pastes stuff
evenly across beats mixed properly so as not to sound like
its been spliced into the middle of something.
If I were a professional audio musician, I would pay a bounty
of $1000 to get that feature put in across several existing packages.
Its a lot cheaper than buying expensive equipment.
Likewise a multitude of other handy life simplifying
productivity features that don't exist on current
equipment. The whole open source developer community is there
for musicians to use if they would just begin using them
in the right ways to improve their computers.


http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com