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I cannot locate their web site, I am just re-directed to the av123
site which sells the units. Are they out of business? What about the room correction SW which P1A users are waiting for? What about active lodspeaker-toom correction? It is all silent and no appearent interest in the audio communicty, which seems to continue to tweak the system using cables while missing the big point )the room) Thanks marco stanzani |
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"Dick Pierce" > wrote in message
... > (andy) wrote in message >... > > I cannot locate their web site, I am just re-directed to the av123 > > site which sells the units. > > No, Perpetual Technologies is alive and, apparently well. AV123 is > run by the same guy who runs Perpetual Technologies, which is why > you're directed to the AV123 website. That's a strange name for an audio company. Was it supposed to be "perceptual"? Norm Strong |
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"normanstrong" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s51... > That's a strange name for an audio company. Was it supposed to be > "perceptual"? Nope, it was Perpetual. Run by a guy Mark Shifter (sp?) who harks back to Audio Alchemy. Snake oil is probably a tad harsh for AA...but there was some debates about their claims and products (DAC-in-a-box for one). Perpetual Technologies/AV123 on the other hand is supposed to have some good stuff. Their Rocket line of speakers enjoys a large internet following and review very well. They also have a high end reference series and some smaller HTiB systems. Designed here in the states and manufactured in China they are supposed to be very high quality for the buck. A "perpetual" comment is the Rockets hold their own both cosmetically and performance wise with speakers several times their price. The crossovers (patent pending) and drivers were designed by none other than Dick Pierce who is without reproach. As his client it appears Mark actually listening to what Dick said and got a good product as a result. |
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"Mkuller" > wrote in message
news:[email protected]_s01... > Snake oil is more than a "tad" harsh to call AA. Mark owned the company and > had a very talented designer in the days when digital was evolving. They > produced excellent products at great prices and their DTI jitter buster was a > breakthrough product that is still in use today by people using separates. That may be true but I still think they weren't totally honest with some of their products. There should be no need for jitter correction in CD audio as has been pointed out by Dick Pierce and others that CD's can't have jitter. If a jitter buster helps then something is wrong with the CD player. Another example is a quote by Tom Nousaine in this newsgroup a few weeks ago: "I'm guessing that my experience with an Audio Alchemy outboard DAC might be illustrative. Using that device for a level matched test I discovered that the output of the AA was +10 dB compared to the analog output of a Marantz CD-63 player. Inside the case there was a jumper with 0 dB and +10 dB settings. Moving the jumper to the 0 dB position and, guess what, the output was still +4 dB. So to an end-user the device always delivered a higher output level. I'm guessing that this kind of level de-match accounts for practically all, if not exactly all, of the reported cd-player sound differences." |
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"Rusty Boudreaux" > wrote in message
... > "Mkuller" > wrote in message > news:[email protected]_s01... > > Snake oil is more than a "tad" harsh to call AA. Mark owned > the company and > > had a very talented designer in the days when digital was > evolving. They > > produced excellent products at great prices and their DTI > jitter buster was a > > breakthrough product that is still in use today by people using > separates. > > That may be true but I still think they weren't totally honest > with some of their products. There should be no need for jitter > correction in CD audio as has been pointed out by Dick Pierce and > others that CD's can't have jitter. If a jitter buster helps > then something is wrong with the CD player. > > Another example is a quote by Tom Nousaine in this newsgroup a > few weeks ago: > > "I'm guessing that my experience with an Audio Alchemy outboard > DAC might be > illustrative. Using that device for a level matched test I > discovered that the > output of the AA was +10 dB compared to the analog output of a > Marantz CD-63 > player. > > Inside the case there was a jumper with 0 dB and +10 dB settings. > Moving the > jumper to the 0 dB position and, guess what, the output was still > +4 dB. So to > an end-user the device always delivered a higher output level. > > I'm guessing that this kind of level de-match accounts for > practically all, if > not exactly all, of the reported cd-player sound differences." > Well, if this is your belief as well as Tom's guess, then perhaps this will persuade you otherwise. I use an AA DTI Pro jitter buster. Had it wired into a Proceed PDP using balanced cable and then into Aux two on my preamp next to Aux one, direct feed from the cd player. Identical cables used. The outputs were matched within .5db on all three cd players I used over the decade with this arrangement in my system. Compared to my Phillips 880, the sound was the same but more transparent (it should be since the PDP was 18 bit and the DTI Pro featured noise-shaping specifically designed for 18-bit making it sound like 20-bit, while the 880 was designed at a time when 16 bit multibit DACs were not particularly linear below -80db). Compared to my Marantz 63SE (one-bit pcm), the sound was slightly more neutral (the Marantz a tad "lean") and more natural sounding and about the same in perceived transparency. Compared to my Sony C222ES, the sound was very similar but had a slightly more dynamic, warmer, and more natural sounding bass, and about the same transparency. On a casual level they can all "sound the same". In fine detail, they all have subtle differences. So if the AA DAC had higher output and people did not level adjust, then that may explain some specific results with that DAC. But it is a big leap from there to saying that all DACs were liked better because they had higher output. There were other things at work, especially in the early days when outboard DACs first became popular...different DAC chips, better power supplies, better analog outputs, etc. |
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> OK, some of us knew that. OTOH, answers to the other questions would > be more interesting and useful. > > Kal Thanks Kal did somebody experienced the DeQX devices? Is SigTech still opearting with new prodocts (I still see Copyright 1996-2000 Cambridge Signal Technologies on their URL) Is TacT available with some more affordable products? Is Perp. tech providing the room correction services )this was their claim in Y2K but nothing happened so far (and AFAIK) Overall the BOM cost of digital correction systems is VERY low, so we are going to pay for the IP (which is OK). Still I feel very promising for the medium- to low-end system the technologt fallout in the near future. Still it does not seem to happen so near .. Thanks |
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"Harry Lavo" > wrote in message news:<[email protected]_s01>...
> I use an AA DTI Pro jitter buster. Had it wired into a Proceed PDP using > balanced cable and then into Aux two on my preamp next to Aux one, direct > feed from the cd player. Identical cables used. The outputs were matched > within .5db on all three cd players I used over the decade with this > arrangement in my system. Harry, You've got to match to within 0.1 dB, or less than 1 percent difference between voltage levels, in order to rule out effects due to level differences. In your test, level differences can still be a factor in what you heard. I'm not saying they were for sure, but there is uncertainty to whether your experiment tested only jitter differences or jitter differences combined with level differences. --Andre |
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