Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3 main
home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

M.

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"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

M.

Arny's:
http://www.pcavtech.com/
--
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"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

M.

Michael C. Monroe wrote:

I really can't decide between the three companies.

If your budget supports it, buy the Lynx (or an RME.)

Michael C. Monroe wrote:

I really can't decide between the three companies.

If your budget supports it, buy the Lynx (or an RME.)

"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

I really can't decide between the three companies.


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I really can't decide between the three companies.


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I use a LynxONE. Have not owned Echo or M-Audio products. The LynxONE
hardware is solid, dependable, audio quality is superb. The LynxTWO has
even better specifications than my LynxONE. The LynxONE does NOT have WDM
drivers, MME or ASIO are all that is supported, and there are no plans to
develop WDM for LynxONE. The LynxTWO has just begun public beta testing of
WDM drivers, it also has MME and ASIO.

I did have an issue crop up with the LynxONE driver. Lynx Support was
reluctant to 'fix' it for me, instead citing the issue as a problem with the
application software vendor's design of initializing the soundcard drivers.
Lynx Support gave me detailed write up of the problem and cause, and a link
to a Microsoft article on windows driver initialization and the issue in
question (a change in the way the init should be handled, in Win2k and XP,
which changed since NT 4.0). Lynx Support also worked with the software
vendor to help their developers get their software corrected. This did take
some time, and in the meantime, the software did not work my Lynx, I had to
switch to the onboard sound module on the motherboard for that application.

A short time later, the same issue came up again, with another application
vendor. I sent this vendor the same information about the error, and
contacted Lynx Support to let them know of this application. Lynx Support
was again wlling to work with the developers. But this time, the
application vendor was not forthcoming with code changes.

Lynx Support responded to my frustration by giving me a new driver that
would 'forgive' the incorrect initialization calls from these applications.

So, yes, it was frustrating and I did not have the use of the Lynx card for
certain applications for a period. But I can't complain with the level of
support I received from Lynx, and although it was against their better
judgement, they changed their driver code rather than stick to principle on
'what is right'.

When my budget can support the purchase of a LynxTwo, I will buy one.

My $0.02 USD.
--
Sue Morton

"Nick" wrote in message
. net...
"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better,
but I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx
Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which
can really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for
Layla B. I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

I use a LynxONE. Have not owned Echo or M-Audio products. The LynxONE
hardware is solid, dependable, audio quality is superb. The LynxTWO has
even better specifications than my LynxONE. The LynxONE does NOT have WDM
drivers, MME or ASIO are all that is supported, and there are no plans to
develop WDM for LynxONE. The LynxTWO has just begun public beta testing of
WDM drivers, it also has MME and ASIO.

I did have an issue crop up with the LynxONE driver. Lynx Support was
reluctant to 'fix' it for me, instead citing the issue as a problem with the
application software vendor's design of initializing the soundcard drivers.
Lynx Support gave me detailed write up of the problem and cause, and a link
to a Microsoft article on windows driver initialization and the issue in
question (a change in the way the init should be handled, in Win2k and XP,
which changed since NT 4.0). Lynx Support also worked with the software
vendor to help their developers get their software corrected. This did take
some time, and in the meantime, the software did not work my Lynx, I had to
switch to the onboard sound module on the motherboard for that application.

A short time later, the same issue came up again, with another application
vendor. I sent this vendor the same information about the error, and
contacted Lynx Support to let them know of this application. Lynx Support
was again wlling to work with the developers. But this time, the
application vendor was not forthcoming with code changes.

Lynx Support responded to my frustration by giving me a new driver that
would 'forgive' the incorrect initialization calls from these applications.

So, yes, it was frustrating and I did not have the use of the Lynx card for
certain applications for a period. But I can't complain with the level of
support I received from Lynx, and although it was against their better
judgement, they changed their driver code rather than stick to principle on
'what is right'.

When my budget can support the purchase of a LynxTwo, I will buy one.

My $0.02 USD.
--
Sue Morton

"Nick" wrote in message
. net...
"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better,
but I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx
Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which
can really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for
Layla B. I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

Nick wrote:

I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

I bought my RME Digiface primarily for the quality of its drivers & support. I have not been disappointed.

Nick wrote:

I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

I bought my RME Digiface primarily for the quality of its drivers & support. I have not been disappointed.

"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message

Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these
3 main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

This nets out to a comparison of the LynxTWO versus the Layla 24 versus the
Delta 1010, no?

That's also the order of pricing, from high to lower.

That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower.

"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message

Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these
3 main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

This nets out to a comparison of the LynxTWO versus the Layla 24 versus the
Delta 1010, no?

That's also the order of pricing, from high to lower.

That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower.

Have you seen the new Layla G3?
Max Arwood

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message

Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these
3 main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

This nets out to a comparison of the LynxTWO versus the Layla 24 versus
the
Delta 1010, no?

That's also the order of pricing, from high to lower.

That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower.

Have you seen the new Layla G3?
Max Arwood

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message

Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these
3 main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

This nets out to a comparison of the LynxTWO versus the Layla 24 versus
the
Delta 1010, no?

That's also the order of pricing, from high to lower.

That's also the approximate order of technical quality from high to lower.

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?


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On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?


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"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20.
That's not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is
probably better, but I certainly have been very happy with the sound
quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though,
which can really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx
A+ and for Layla B. I would rate the software driver support for
both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Agreed, these negative comments about Lynx drivers amaze me. I've used both
the LynxONE and LynxTWO drviers with a variety of hardware and software,
both reguilar audio recording software and also for measurements. While some
of this software sometimes runs into problems with other vendor's drivers,
Lynx software always performs flawlessly for me.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20.
That's not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is
probably better, but I certainly have been very happy with the sound
quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though,
which can really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx
A+ and for Layla B. I would rate the software driver support for
both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Agreed, these negative comments about Lynx drivers amaze me. I've used both
the LynxONE and LynxTWO drviers with a variety of hardware and software,
both reguilar audio recording software and also for measurements. While some
of this software sometimes runs into problems with other vendor's drivers,
Lynx software always performs flawlessly for me.

"Max Arwood" wrote in message


Have you seen the new Layla G3?

Looks very interesting on paper!

http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php

"Max Arwood" wrote in message


Have you seen the new Layla G3?

Looks very interesting on paper!

http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/PCI/Layla3G/index.php

In article writes:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
(I think) wrote:

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

I have a Lynx L22 in a computer that's running Win98SE. It worked fine
when I first installed it (first generation drivers and firmware) and
continued to work until they got a couple of steps ahead of the OS
with the drivers and I had to downgrade a version at a time (I skipped
a few versions and just got "the latest" when the muse struck me)
until it started working again, and that's where it sits. It isn't
going to work any worse and it does what I need it to do, so there's
no need to upgrade further - either drivers or OS.

I suppose that one of these days I'll replace that computer, it will
have WinXP or 2000 on it, and I'll have to play the driver game
again. But I tend to leave things alone when they work.


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In article writes:

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
(I think) wrote:

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems? Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

I have a Lynx L22 in a computer that's running Win98SE. It worked fine
when I first installed it (first generation drivers and firmware) and
continued to work until they got a couple of steps ahead of the OS
with the drivers and I had to downgrade a version at a time (I skipped
a few versions and just got "the latest" when the muse struck me)
until it started working again, and that's where it sits. It isn't
going to work any worse and it does what I need it to do, so there's
no need to upgrade further - either drivers or OS.

I suppose that one of these days I'll replace that computer, it will
have WinXP or 2000 on it, and I'll have to play the driver game
again. But I tend to leave things alone when they work.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better,
but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which
can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla
B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems?

A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all.

Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years.

It is impossible to know if such problems are the driver, the audio
software, or something else. I suspect the drivers.

--Nick

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:05:17 GMT, "Nick"
wrote:

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better,
but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which
can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla
B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

What problems?

A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all.

Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years.

It is impossible to know if such problems are the driver, the audio
software, or something else. I suspect the drivers.

--Nick

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

I have a Lynx II that replaced an Echo Gina 24. The Lynx sounds much
better than the Gina ever did. However, I've owned two Echo cards and
they have been rock solid performers. Great drivers and support when
I asked for it. The lynx
just sounds better. FWIW, I use the Lynx ASIO drivers in Sonar 4.
Lynx doesn't have a production WDM driver yet.

DaveT

FWIW, I have the Lynx Two and previously owned the Echo Layla 20. That's
not really a fair comparison because the newer Layla is probably better, but
I certainly have been very happy with the sound quality of the Lynx Two.

I have had frequent problems with Windows drivers for both though, which can
really be maddening. I would rate the hardware for Lynx A+ and for Layla B.
I would rate the software driver support for both companies a D.

--Nick

I have a Lynx II that replaced an Echo Gina 24. The Lynx sounds much
better than the Gina ever did. However, I've owned two Echo cards and
they have been rock solid performers. Great drivers and support when
I asked for it. The lynx
just sounds better. FWIW, I use the Lynx ASIO drivers in Sonar 4.
Lynx doesn't have a production WDM driver yet.

DaveT

In article writes:

What problems?
A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all.
Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years.

Ah, that's your problem. Leave it alone if it's working. I upgrade my
computers when they break which, unfortunately, hasn't been often
enough lately.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

What problems?
A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all.
Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years.

Ah, that's your problem. Leave it alone if it's working. I upgrade my
computers when they break which, unfortunately, hasn't been often
enough lately.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

What other equipment do you guys use with your Lynx soundcards in your home
recording set up?
I just bought a LynxOne and I'm wondering what else I should buy?


"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main
home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

M.

What other equipment do you guys use with your Lynx soundcards in your home
recording set up?
I just bought a LynxOne and I'm wondering what else I should buy?


"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main
home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

M.

The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

"Phil Wilson" wrote in message
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Arny's:
http://www.pcavtech.com/
--
Phil Wilson

"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

"Phil Wilson" wrote in message
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Arny's:
http://www.pcavtech.com/
--
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"Michael C. Monroe" wrote in message
...
Is there a Tom's Hardware-like site out there that will compare these 3
main home-studio soundcard lines head-to-head?

I really can't decide between the three companies.

"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message


The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

This would be a false claim.

3 of many Counter-examples:

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/LynxTWO/index.htm

First posted 2/28/2002

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/d...010lt/2496.htm

First posted 7/23/2004

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-1010/2496.htm

first posted 7/22/2004

"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message


The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

This would be a false claim.

3 of many Counter-examples:

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/LynxTWO/index.htm

First posted 2/28/2002

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/d...010lt/2496.htm

First posted 7/23/2004

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-1010/2496.htm

first posted 7/22/2004

Sorry, I clicked on the first link on top of the soundcard section (full
report) which hasn't been updated since 3/22/2000 according to the page
itself.

Not sure how I was supposed to get to these newer pages of yours, but thanks
for pointing them out.

Guess I should have
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message


The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

This would be a false claim.

3 of many Counter-examples:

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/LynxTWO/index.htm

First posted 2/28/2002

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/d...010lt/2496.htm

First posted 7/23/2004

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-1010/2496.htm

first posted 7/22/2004

Sorry, I clicked on the first link on top of the soundcard section (full
report) which hasn't been updated since 3/22/2000 according to the page
itself.

Not sure how I was supposed to get to these newer pages of yours, but thanks
for pointing them out.

Guess I should have
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Jon J. Yeager" wrote in message


The last soundcard evaluated there is dated 4 years ago.

This would be a false claim.

3 of many Counter-examples:

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/LynxTWO/index.htm

First posted 2/28/2002

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/d...010lt/2496.htm

First posted 7/23/2004

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/delta-1010/2496.htm

first posted 7/22/2004

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1096916320k@trad...

In article
writes:

What problems?
A wide variety of problems from mere quirkiness to not working at all.
Are you using reasonably modern hardware and Windows
XP?

Yes. I upgrade my computer every 3 years.

Ah, that's your problem.

Yes I know. Unfortunately I have to make a living using the computer for
other things, like programming. Seems like everytime I get a Windows
upgrade or install much of anything, it breaks the music applications. I've
gotten pretty good at getting things working though there have been times
where I've had to start over with a fresh install of everything.

--Nick