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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:41:05 +0100, Adrian C
wrote: However the testing (and passes) of assemblies may be specific to a certain (and sometime fraudulent) system configuration available at the moment, which may not be all that relevent to the final users use! Some read CE as 'Chinese Export' and take no further interest in independant verification of these tests ... No, CE means Can't Enforce. John |
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John Larkin wrote: Adrian C wrote: However the testing (and passes) of assemblies may be specific to a certain (and sometime fraudulent) system configuration available at the moment, which may not be all that relevent to the final users use! Some read CE as 'Chinese Export' and take no further interest in independant verification of these tests ... No, CE means Can't Enforce. Oh so true. At least half the equipment I see doesn't even have the Logo proportioned correctly despite the design being readily available online and easy to understand. Typically the C and E are too close together. Graham |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
John Larkin wrote: Adrian C wrote: However the testing (and passes) of assemblies may be specific to a certain (and sometime fraudulent) system configuration available at the moment, which may not be all that relevent to the final users use! Some read CE as 'Chinese Export' and take no further interest in independant verification of these tests ... No, CE means Can't Enforce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark#Fake_CE_marks Graham |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message
... On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:27:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I AM PROTEUS They ARE shielded, you ****ing idiot! Please don't feed the trolls. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:52:16 +0000, Eeyore
wrote: John Larkin wrote: Not the same situation, but adding this ferrite... ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/Ferrite.JPG dropped the RF sensitivity of this gadget (a thermocouple signal conditioner) about 30 dB. Philips / Ferroxcube ? I used one of those plus some Y caps to get a piece of kit through EMC regs that was just 'marginal' without them. Those dual hole ferrites are a real boon. Good for making balun. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Mar 27, 11:08*pm, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:20:39 +0000, Adrian C wrote: If built properly to CE EMC guidelines (applicable in the UK), generally your domestic PC and connected equipment should not be causing that type of interference. *You must not have seen the 'window equiped' PC cases all over the place now. YOU ARE AN IDIOT I AM PROTEUS |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On 4/3/2009 12:10 AM Archimedes' Lever spake thus:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:46:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 27, 11:08 pm, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:20:39 +0000, Adrian C wrote: If built properly to CE EMC guidelines (applicable in the UK), generally your domestic PC and connected equipment should not be causing that type of interference. You must not have seen the 'window equiped' PC cases all over the place now. YOU ARE AN IDIOT I AM PROTEUS You obviously know nothing about shielding or emission standards. You obviously replied to a troll. You lose. -- Made From Pears: Pretty good chance that the product is at least mostly pears. Made With Pears: Pretty good chance that pears will be detectable in the product. Contains Pears: One pear seed per multiple tons of product. (with apologies to Dorothy L. Sayers) |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:03:49 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 4/3/2009 12:10 AM Archimedes' Lever spake thus: On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:46:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 27, 11:08 pm, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:20:39 +0000, Adrian C wrote: If built properly to CE EMC guidelines (applicable in the UK), generally your domestic PC and connected equipment should not be causing that type of interference. You must not have seen the 'window equiped' PC cases all over the place now. YOU ARE AN IDIOT I AM PROTEUS You obviously know nothing about shielding or emission standards. You obviously replied to a troll. You lose. Your capacity to make a valid assessment rests at nil. You're a goddamned idiot. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:03:49 -0800, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 4/3/2009 12:10 AM Archimedes' Lever spake thus: On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:46:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 27, 11:08 pm, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:20:39 +0000, Adrian C wrote: If built properly to CE EMC guidelines (applicable in the UK), generally your domestic PC and connected equipment should not be causing that type of interference. You must not have seen the 'window equiped' PC cases all over the place now. YOU ARE AN IDIOT I AM PROTEUS You obviously know nothing about shielding or emission standards. You obviously replied to a troll. You lose. Your capacity to make a valid assessment rests at nil. You're a goddamned idiot. Yeah, a troll knows all about being an idiot....... |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
Don wrote:
At home, I often use some screened audio leads which carry speech signals at about 100 to 200 mV. The leads may carry one or two signals (mono or stereo) and may be about 1m or 2m long. They are not balanced. Sometimes it's unavoidable but my audio lead has to pass near a PC and also about 6 inches below and in front of a CRT display. I want to avoid electrical noise interfering with the audio signal. (1) Would it help to clip some ferrite on the audio lead? If the interference is magnetic radiation from the CRT deflection and (at startup) the automatic degaussing coil, ferrite will not help at all. Wires in the presence of an AC magnetic field will pick up a voltage. The only hope is to lay the wires parallel to the magnetic flux lines, or get them out of the area. Only MASSIVE shielding with Mu-Metal shields will help, by conducting the flux lines in the shield. I suppose in theory totally enclosing the wires in a string of ferrite rings would be going in this direction, but separate ferrite rings are no comparison to a solid Mu-metal shield. Usually these are used to protect CRTs, photomultipliers and vidicons from stray magnetic fields, and they certainly do work. I've never seen it used to protect a cable. Putting a balanced-unbalanced transformer at each end of the cable would be another time-honored fix. Then you can have a truly balanced signal even with equipment that is unbalanced. Jon |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:51:10 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
Wires in the presence of an AC magnetic field will pick up a voltage. HOWEVER, if they are in a twisted pair configuration, any EMF produced ALSO gets cancelled immediately and on any and every pulse. That is the whole idea behind twisted pair. It isn't just for grouping. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
Don wrote:
As I mentioned before, there are times when the cable can't easily take another route so I am interested in the better shielding appraoch which you mention. That's the problem! Shielded audio cable is good for eliminating electrostatic interference, which is a common cause of audio noise. But, it does practically NOTHING to eliminate low-frequency magnetic (inductive) interference. And, a computer monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. The horizontal sweep and the switching power supply frequencies can be shielded to some extent, but it is not really practical. The vertical sweep (50 - 100 Hz) can't be shielded without insane effort, so the only real way out is to eliminate its influence on the circuit. That's why professional audio types use balanced circuits for mikes and all sorts of other low-level signals. Unfortunately, many web sites merrily say that almost any wire will do for a short run of audio cable. I am not so sure! in the presence of interference sources, clearly NOT true! (2) For a given max outer lead diameter of about 3mm (maybe 4mm), I guess some audio leads are better at intereference shielding than others. I'm in the UK; is there a type of decently shielded audio leads you might recommend without getting into really expensive stuff. (I can add the connectors.) Forget this diameter stuff. Unless the cables were FEET in diameter, and almost all solid copper, they'd have NO effect on 60 Hz magnetic fields. These fields penetrate conductors. It would be easier to try simply using longer cable(s) to avoid the problem spot(s). If you can route long cables away from the source (the CRT is by FAR the worst offender) that is the simplest approach. If not, a pair of transformers and a balanced, shielded cable should also work. But, the TRANSFORMERS need to be shielded! Many cheap audio transformers are NOT magnetically shielded, just put in a pot-metal box. if they are near any power transformers or CRTs, they can make the problem WORSE! If you think a single wire stretched in space can pick up a signal, how bad would 10,000 turns of wire be? Jon |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:51:10 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
The only hope is to lay the wires parallel to the magnetic flux lines, or get them out of the area. Silly. Flux lines are not *ever* straight lines, and in reality, they are ever expanding "shells" that emanate outward from the source, so even "parallel" wires would likely garner EMF. Though they can and are of course oriented so that they are mostly aligned along a single axis, it is not a good practice to think that noise abatement can be achieved by simply aligning the conductor with the flux. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:51:10 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
Only MASSIVE shielding with Mu-Metal shields will help, by conducting the flux lines in the shield. No ****. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:51:10 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
I've never seen it used to protect a cable. May circuit card utilize shielded channels that are merely a PCB conductor trace over a ground plane layer with a low, narrow "can" placed along its length. Since "cables" are typically meant for connection between larger hardware elements, they are also typically flexible, not rigid. A rigid interconnection is usually not referred to as a cable, but it is not much more than a hard encapsulation of a cable. So they are out there, they just are not called "cables" at that point. |
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On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
And, a computer monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: And, a computer monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. This is especially interesting in things like digital scopes and spectrum analyzers. A scope probe held near the screen of my Tek TPS2024 shows 600 mV p-p spikes at 664 KHz. Other scopes drool lots of EMI from around the edges of the plastic box near the LCD. John |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: And, a computer monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. That happens in a lot of industries. That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! |
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On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Proteus and Roy both, you stupid ****. Also, now you as it is obvious that you are illiterate as well. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. All y'all mutha****as stink. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. All y'all mutha****as stink. If you press the shift-lock key you'd sound just like Roy. Doppelganger. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Andy Griffith Show too. Y'all come back now, hear? |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:23:54 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Kentucky is in the Northwest? You mean the Kentucky that's just next to Oregon? John |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:46:19 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:23:54 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin m wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Kentucky is in the Northwest? You mean the Kentucky that's just next to Oregon? John Oooops... dumb me. MIDwest. Duh. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:23:19 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:46:19 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:23:54 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Kentucky is in the Northwest? You mean the Kentucky that's just next to Oregon? John Oooops... dumb me. MIDwest. Duh. Kentucky doesn't have a DC Intertie that I am aware of. |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." In upstate New Yawk, it's "yous" or "youz guyz". |
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Ferrite on audio leads passing near PC?
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:27:22 -0500, krw wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." In upstate New Yawk, it's "yous" or "youz guyz". Cawfee... regulah Smawll Dawg NJ and NY have odd accents. Same with Boston. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:37 -0700, John Larkin
wrote: The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." John Sure we did - "you". Second person singular is "thou". Only kidding. In Middle English we had a special letter, which looked like a "y" but with a dot above it. It was pronounced "th" and that is where the confusion started. In modern Icelandic they still have two versions of "th" - one voiced as in "this", and one unvoiced as in "thin". The voiced one is written "th", but the unvoiced one uses a letter called thorn, which looks like a lower case p, but with the vertical stroke extended upwards. So now you know....! d |
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On Apr 10, 9:36*pm, krw wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:17:14 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:56:39 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:09:54 -0500, krw wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:59:24 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:04:46 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 10, 12:14*am, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:55:21 -0700, John Larkin wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:20:42 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:02:21 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: *And, a computer *monitor is exactly a source of magnetic radiation at several frequencies. *Maybe an archaic CRT type does, but a modern (and cheap priced) LCD display does not. Why folks are still using CRTs is amazing. *They cost about ten bucks a month more just to run them. LCD backlight supplies can radiate a lot of junk. *The PS in a modern, large form factor LCD display (not a PC display) is a one piece item integrating the rail for the backlight and the rails for the LCD and video works all together in a single SMPS. *Your PC LCD display, with its remotely mounted supply is a different story. *There, the backlight power conversion is local to the backlight curtain. Any design with local power conversion for that will be noisy as the space budgeted for it usually will always mean a poor design and a lot of noise. *A well made HV supply can pipe the voltage there with far less noise. *With more space for the design, it ca be made very quiet.. *Space constraints cause engineer to cut corners in design. *That happens in a lot of industries. *That is why some Americans stopped buying American cars. *US car makers went to cutting cost of manufacture to boost profits and that cut in quality cost them. Less screws in the door panel and plastic in the wrong places, and poor plastic type choices, etc. Now, even though they are far better quality cars, those folks have not returned as customers, and still have misconceptions about what is in the market. * BUY AMERICAN CARS, Damnit! YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE A LIVING *REASON WHY NOBODY TAKES AMERICANS SERIOUS YOU DON'T YOU FAGGOTY CALIFORNIAN ****TARD WHY SHOULD ANYONE ELSE FOR YOU TO EXPEWCT ANY BETTER IS LUDICROUS I AM PROTEUS And you are semi-literate. Which one? Sorry, I should have used the 2nd person plural, "y'all." John *Proving that it is really you that is semi-literate. *All y'all mutha****as stink. If you press the shift-lock key you'd sound just like Roy. Doppelganger YOU AND THE COX SUCXKING TROLLS YOU HANG OUT WITH NEED A DEEP PROBING TODAY SINCE YOUR BUTTOCKS ARE ALREADY SPREAD I WILL COMPLY I AM PROTEUS |
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I AM PROTEUS Do you know anything about electronics? Unlikely, I guess. John |
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In article ,
John Larkin wrote: The English didn't provide us with a second person plural, like sensible languages have, so we had to invent our own. In the South, it's "y'all." In the Northwest, it's "you guys." Standard English USED to have a second person SINGULAR, which was "thou." You was the the second person PLURAL but became used as singular due to either excessive politeness or widespread ignorance or something of that sort. Eventually, people couldn't stand the ambiguity, but instead of resurrecting the old thou, which everybody except readers of Shakespeare had forgotten how to use, they came up with new plural forms. Where I used to live in Texas, y'all was nominal second person plural, inclusive and polite, very much like 2nd person plural in many other languages. It is often used to address single persons when one intends to convey friendliness or politeness or inclusion in a group. One uses the singular and definite you when you intend something very definite as to person, like: "Billy, you get in here right now and clean up your mess." or "I love you." |
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John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:23:54 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Kentucky is in the Northwest? You mean the Kentucky that's just next to Oregon? John I guess he lives in Florida or Georgia. |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:25:20 -0600, Hope for the Heartless
wrote: In article , John Larkin wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:23:54 -0700, Archimedes' Lever wrote: All of Indiana and ALL of Kentucky are in the Northwest, and it is y'all throughout both states. Kentucky is in the Northwest? You mean the Kentucky that's just next to Oregon? John I guess he lives in Florida or Georgia. Doesn't matter where he lives, he's AlwaysWrong. Kentucky isn't even in the Mid West. |
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