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BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock!
Wow, I´m still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp
and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. It was ok for some high gain sounds, but it didn´t convinced me in general. A year later BEHRINGER came up with the BEHRINGER v-amp two. This one had much more ampmodells and the emulation was much better. BEHRINGER went on developing a 19" edition of their v-amp 2 and this one became a fixed part of my studio setup, beside a lot of other products from BEHRINGER (BEHRINGER is definitely best value for money!!). But I still had problems with the reproduction of my sounds live on stage. But it seemed like BEHRINGER heard my preys. They developed the BEHRINGER vampire. This is a stereo combo amp with a 2x50W power amplifier and as preamp the approved BEHRINGER v-amp. First a was a little sceptic, because BEHRINGER is well known for their proaudio stuff, what doesn't have to mean that you can build guitar amps, but I had to admit: BEHRINGER did it again!! I did several gigs with my new BEHRINGER and I am totally persuaded. In the beginning there were a lot doubtful gazes from the crowd, because most of them are the classic Marshall guys and they haven't seen a BEHRINGER guitar amp yet. After finishing our set there was always a crowd of guitarist or sound engineers standing around my amp. Everyone was looking for the tubes in it, but I had to tell them about the BEHRINGER v-amp technology and the great speaker emulation. I'm not sure, but I think BEHRINGER asked Jürgen Rath, a well known German amp designer to develop this 4x12 cab. D.I. output. And it sounds amazing. You don't even have to deal with microphones or their positioning. Everything I have to take for a gig is my guitar and my BEHRINGER vampire. Switch it on, plug in and rock!!!!! The only downer is, that there is no amp head available yet, and usually that's it what guitarist want! But I'm sure that someday BEHRINGER will build guitar heads, because they offer cabinets already! ROCK ON!!!! |
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BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock!
"SGAE1976" wrote in message om... Wow, I´m still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. rest of advert snipped That was totally lame... Now I'm beginning to understand why people despise BEHRINGER so much. |
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Michael St. Pierre wrote: "SGAE1976" wrote in message . com... Wow, I´m still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. rest of advert snipped That was totally lame... Now I'm beginning to understand why people despise BEHRINGER so much. That posting came from a Tiscali customer in Germany somewhere, but I cannot tell where in Germany it was. It's true that behringer.de is also a customer of Tiscali, but not in the same class B. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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It's a shame if this spam is Behringer-originated.
I used to have little respect for the products until I bought a few myself. Their compressors were the mainstay of unlicensed 'pirate' broadcasters for years, giving them the reputation of cheap & dirty. They really are a good value, as far as the mixer and mics that I bought go. I've even started to install the Behringer boards in place of the Carvins that I had been recommending. The Carvins turned out to be awful in the reliability department, suffering frequent power supply failures, but the Behringers are running nicely in all the installations. I use them both at home and at radio station production studios and not one problem so far. I tried their large condenser microphones next and was delighted to get the Shure KSM-32 sound for only $99. One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers and now they have working mics that sound a lot sweeter and cleaner than the professional broadcast mics they had been using from E-V and Sennheiser. A lot of bang for the buck. That's not to say that Uli Behringer isn't doing everything above board and honestly. For all we know, he *might* be copying designs from prominent pro products and manufacturing them cheaply in China with sub-dollar an hour labor. But the equipment we've bought so far is quite good and seems to be holding up. It's a shame to see this spam showing up. Behringer needs to be more careful who they hire to market their products. -- Take care, Mark & Mary Ann Weiss VIDEO PRODUCTION . FILM SCANNING . AUDIO RESTORATION Hear my Kurzweil Creations at: http://www.dv-clips.com/theater.htm Business sites at: www.dv-clips.com www.mwcomms.com www.adventuresinanimemusic.com - |
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In this place, Scott Dorsey was recorded uttering these words:
That posting came from a Tiscali customer in Germany somewhere, but I cannot tell where in Germany it was. It's true that behringer.de is also a customer of Tiscali, but not in the same class B. There are still one or two people living in Germany who don't work for Behringer. Let's stick to 2+2=4, shall we? -- George Newcastle, England (Please remove leading 'NOSPAM' to reply by email) Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth by hitting back - Piet Hein |
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Dear all,
with regard to : (a) the posting from Sascha (SGAE1976 - BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock!) dtd. 26 Feb 2004 in rec.audio.pro (b) the posting from Aron Brockowich (Guitar Player - BEHRINGER VAMPIRE, Great !!! Nice Price) dtd. 26 Feb 2004 in rec.audio.pro Of course we are delighted to hear postive comments about our products from satisfied customers, and we are certain that the intentions behind these postings were only of the best possible kind. However, we insist that these specific postings do not originate from the company Behringer. These postings represent individual opinions, and we explicitly distance ourselves from the originators of these comments. The individuals from whom these postings originate have no association with the company Behringer whatsoever. We do confirm that the company Behringer is taking an active part in internet newsgroup discussions. Whenever a posting is made by an employee or associate of the company Behringer, the affiliation to the company Behringer is made clear in every case. We assure everyone here that Behringer strives to maintain a legitimate, serious approach to these discussions. Our participation is intended solely for the factual clarification of relevant "applicational" issues as raised by customers and users of our equipment. Unfortunately it appears that the synchronicity of these specific postings, perhaps combined with a little "overenthusiasm" on the part of the authors, has aroused the suspicions of other participants, and we feel that this may lead to a detrimental view of Behringer as a company, which is something which we do not accept. We hope that this can be appreciated by all. Best regards Andy Cullen Customer Support BEHRINGER Spezielle Studiotechnik GmbH "Mark & Mary Ann Weiss" wrote in message ... It's a shame if this spam is Behringer-originated. I used to have little respect for the products until I bought a few myself. Their compressors were the mainstay of unlicensed 'pirate' broadcasters for years, giving them the reputation of cheap & dirty. They really are a good value, as far as the mixer and mics that I bought go. I've even started to install the Behringer boards in place of the Carvins that I had been recommending. The Carvins turned out to be awful in the reliability department, suffering frequent power supply failures, but the Behringers are running nicely in all the installations. I use them both at home and at radio station production studios and not one problem so far. I tried their large condenser microphones next and was delighted to get the Shure KSM-32 sound for only $99. One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers and now they have working mics that sound a lot sweeter and cleaner than the professional broadcast mics they had been using from E-V and Sennheiser. A lot of bang for the buck. That's not to say that Uli Behringer isn't doing everything above board and honestly. For all we know, he *might* be copying designs from prominent pro products and manufacturing them cheaply in China with sub-dollar an hour labor. But the equipment we've bought so far is quite good and seems to be holding up. It's a shame to see this spam showing up. Behringer needs to be more careful who they hire to market their products. -- Take care, Mark & Mary Ann Weiss VIDEO PRODUCTION . FILM SCANNING . AUDIO RESTORATION Hear my Kurzweil Creations at: http://www.dv-clips.com/theater.htm Business sites at: www.dv-clips.com www.mwcomms.com www.adventuresinanimemusic.com - |
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In this place, Andy Cullen was recorded uttering these words:
[... snip ...] We assure everyone here that Behringer strives to maintain a legitimate, serious approach to these discussions. Our participation is intended solely for the factual clarification of relevant "applicational" issues as raised by customers and users of our equipment. Thank you for making your company's position clear. It's good to know you are around to answer customer questions. -- George Newcastle, England (Please remove leading 'NOSPAM' to reply by email) Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth by hitting back - Piet Hein |
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Curious,
Looks like the live sound newsgroup, that was taken by Behringer's salesmen. Bizarre "SGAE1976" escribió en el mensaje om... Wow, I´m still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. It was ok for some high gain sounds, but it didn´t convinced me in general. A year later BEHRINGER came up with the BEHRINGER v-amp two. This one had much more ampmodells and the emulation was much better. BEHRINGER went on developing a 19" edition of their v-amp 2 and this one became a fixed part of my studio setup, beside a lot of other products from BEHRINGER (BEHRINGER is definitely best value for money!!). But I still had problems with the reproduction of my sounds live on stage. But it seemed like BEHRINGER heard my preys. They developed the BEHRINGER vampire. This is a stereo combo amp with a 2x50W power amplifier and as preamp the approved BEHRINGER v-amp. First a was a little sceptic, because BEHRINGER is well known for their proaudio stuff, what doesn't have to mean that you can build guitar amps, but I had to admit: BEHRINGER did it again!! I did several gigs with my new BEHRINGER and I am totally persuaded. In the beginning there were a lot doubtful gazes from the crowd, because most of them are the classic Marshall guys and they haven't seen a BEHRINGER guitar amp yet. After finishing our set there was always a crowd of guitarist or sound engineers standing around my amp. Everyone was looking for the tubes in it, but I had to tell them about the BEHRINGER v-amp technology and the great speaker emulation. I'm not sure, but I think BEHRINGER asked Jürgen Rath, a well known German amp designer to develop this 4x12 cab. D.I. output. And it sounds amazing. You don't even have to deal with microphones or their positioning. Everything I have to take for a gig is my guitar and my BEHRINGER vampire. Switch it on, plug in and rock!!!!! The only downer is, that there is no amp head available yet, and usually that's it what guitarist want! But I'm sure that someday BEHRINGER will build guitar heads, because they offer cabinets already! ROCK ON!!!! |
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(Andy Cullen) wrote: Dear all, with regard to : (a) the posting from Sascha (SGAE1976 - BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock!) dtd. 26 Feb 2004 in rec.audio.pro (b) the posting from Aron Brockowich (Guitar Player - BEHRINGER VAMPIRE, Great !!! Nice Price) dtd. 26 Feb 2004 in rec.audio.pro Of course we are delighted to hear postive comments about our products from satisfied customers, and we are certain that the intentions behind these postings were only of the best possible kind. However, we insist that these specific postings do not originate from the company Behringer. Dear Andy, What's Sock Puppet in German? Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really ...Ohh Poop!
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(Ty Ford) wrote: In Article , (SGAE1976) wrote: Wow, IYm still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. What a HUGE piece of crap! I guess this means Behringer has decided that RAP is worthy of abusing with their PR hype. Nice going there Behringer. Way to make new friends. I have seen posts made by Behringer folks, Andy Cullen, even Uli Behringer, have had email exchange with lots of behring folks this post is not coming from Behringer, sounds like a dealer who want to move inventory do you really think with the millions spent on global advertizing that behringer would bother with crap like this if you do, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Montana George |
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George wrote:
I have seen posts made by Behringer folks, Andy Cullen, even Uli Behringer, have had email exchange with lots of behring folks this post is not coming from Behringer, sounds like a dealer who want to move inventory Makes perfect sense. Whoever it is, though, it's in Germany, which should make it that much easier for Behringer corporate to find out who it is. do you really think with the millions spent on global advertizing that behringer would bother with crap like this No, but I could imagine a rogue employee doing something stupid. I've seen that before far too many times, sadly even at companies I have worked for. And I understand the severe embarrassment when it happens because I have experienced that. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really ...Ohh Poop!
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... George wrote: I have seen posts made by Behringer folks, Andy Cullen, even Uli Behringer, have had email exchange with lots of behring folks this post is not coming from Behringer, sounds like a dealer who want to move inventory Makes perfect sense. Whoever it is, though, it's in Germany, which should make it that much easier for Behringer corporate to find out who it is. do you really think with the millions spent on global advertizing that behringer would bother with crap like this No, but I could imagine a rogue employee doing something stupid. I've seen that before far too many times, sadly even at companies I have worked for. And I understand the severe embarrassment when it happens because I have experienced that. --scott Might even be a troll looking to stir up the behringer users/haters debate anyway I have no use for guitar amps I couldn't care less if it was Gods own amp choice my job is to amplify them not play through them george --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 |
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George Gleason wrote:
Might even be a troll looking to stir up the behringer users/haters debate anyway Absolutely. I have also seen this sort of thing done by fired employees in an attempt to get back at their employers. Remember the former Swee****er guy who poisoned their mailing list not too long ago? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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One of my clients was going to work a deal
to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers And what's not to like about a guy who steers his clients away from free Neumanns toward $99 Behringers? Scott Fraser |
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Dear Andy,
What's Sock Puppet in German? Ty Ford Dear Ty, What's Sock Puppet in Englisg? Scott Fraser |
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I saw all the yellin' about this, so I had to read it:
In rec.audio.pro, (SGAE1976) wrote: Wow, I´m still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! The words "Little German *******" looks like an invocation of Godwin's law. I've seen that happen before, sometimes a thread self-Godwinizes with the original post. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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agent86 wrote: One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers And what's not to like about a guy who steers his clients away from free Neumanns toward $99 Behringers? I will gladly trade all my behringer mics for neumanns as well as my behringer mixers for cadac's as long as I don't need to send a metric **** load of money as well George |
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One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers And what's not to like about a guy who steers his clients away from free Neumanns toward $99 Behringers? With friends like that, who needs a proctologist? |
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George wrote: In article , (Ty Ford) wrote: In Article , (SGAE1976) wrote: Wow, IYm still speechless. I just bought BEHRINGER Vampire guitar amp and this little german ******* really rocks! BEHRINGER developed a modelling technology that really reminds me of my beloved tube amps. BEHRINGER started dealing with guitar amps and modelling technologies some years ago. My first experience was with the BEHRINGER v-amp one. What a HUGE piece of crap! I guess this means Behringer has decided that RAP is worthy of abusing with their PR hype. Nice going there Behringer. Way to make new friends. I have seen posts made by Behringer folks, Andy Cullen, even Uli Behringer, have had email exchange with lots of behring folks this post is not coming from Behringer, sounds like a dealer who want to move inventory do you really think with the millions spent on global advertizing that behringer would bother with crap like this if you do, I have some ocean front property to sell you in Montana George George, You'll allow me to disagree here. It won't be the first time a company sent an overzealous servant (directly or indirectly) to this group in hopes of currying favor. It won't be the first time a company made (in retrospect) a rather obvious error in how they would be perceived by the event. Point: Cullen was pretty quick to respond when the response was negative. Was his "response" directly or indirectly attributed and by whom? Spin control or non mea culpa? If the latter, then let's turn out the pepritrators and show them for who they are. Mr. Cullen could make that happen, I'm sure. Point: The use of language in the posts is too refined to have come off the hip. It was obviously concocted by a marketing person. It doesn't fit the mold of something from the mind of an overzealous dealer. Somebody farted in church. It was a big fart and we all got a nice whiff. With all the lack of reverence due, that's the way I see it. Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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In Article ,
George wrote: In article , agent86 wrote: One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers And what's not to like about a guy who steers his clients away from free Neumanns toward $99 Behringers? I will gladly trade all my behringer mics for neumanns as well as my behringer mixers for cadac's as long as I don't need to send a metric **** load of money as well George Dear George, I get your thought, but listening with your wallet instead of your ears, while economical, usually results in audio that is not as good. Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message ... In Article , George wrote: In article , agent86 wrote: One of my clients was going to work a deal to get free Neumann mics at their studios because they are just down the road from the Neumann factory and headquarters, but I talked them into a couple of Behringers And what's not to like about a guy who steers his clients away from free Neumanns toward $99 Behringers? I will gladly trade all my behringer mics for neumanns as well as my behringer mixers for cadac's as long as I don't need to send a metric **** load of money as well George Dear George, I get your thought, but listening with your wallet instead of your ears, while economical, usually results in audio that is not as good. Regards, Ty Ford I match the tools to the job painting a fence does not require the same quality of brush that painting the Mona Lisa would George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 |
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In this place, Ty Ford was recorded uttering these words:
You'll allow me to disagree here. It won't be the first time a company sent an overzealous servant (directly or indirectly) to this group in hopes of currying favor. Ty - with respect, we have an outright, official denial of any involvement in that message on behalf of Behringer. Andy Cullen was speaking on behalf of his company when he wrote that message. What is it - other than prejudice - that leads you to suggest he was lying? It won't be the first time a company made (in retrospect) a rather obvious error in how they would be perceived by the event. Maybe so - and it's not the first time folks have jumped on Behringer on the flimsiest of excuses. Nobody from Behringer was responsible for that original "review". What's so hard to understand? Point: Cullen was pretty quick to respond when the response was negative. Was his "response" directly or indirectly attributed and by whom? Spin control or non mea culpa? If the latter, then let's turn out the pepritrators and show them for who they are. Mr. Cullen could make that happen, I'm sure. Behringer is - rightly IMO - sensitive about what gets said about them here. I see nothing suspicious in Andy Cullen trying to set the record straight - only AFTER several people had alleged the original message originated within the company. Maybe I should start a rumour about you so we can measure how many milliseconds it takes you to respond? ;) Point: The use of language in the posts is too refined to have come off the hip. It was obviously concocted by a marketing person. It doesn't fit the mold of something from the mind of an overzealous dealer. Interesting interpretation. It reads to me as if it was written by a youngster trying to ape the puffy reviews in many magazines. Not one word of it looked as if it came from a professional. Somebody farted in church. It was a big fart and we all got a nice whiff. With all the lack of reverence due, that's the way I see it. Please yourself. As long as we're all clear that it wasn't Andy Cullen who farted. -- George Newcastle, England (Please remove leading 'NOSPAM' to reply by email) Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth by hitting back - Piet Hein |
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In Article , George
Perfect wrote: In this place, Ty Ford was recorded uttering these words: You'll allow me to disagree here. It won't be the first time a company sent an overzealous servant (directly or indirectly) to this group in hopes of currying favor. Ty - with respect, we have an outright, official denial of any involvement in that message on behalf of Behringer. Andy Cullen was speaking on behalf of his company when he wrote that message. What is it - other than prejudice - that leads you to suggest he was lying? 1. Richard Nixon, "I am not a crook." 2. My response is not based on prejudice, thank you very much. 3. Nothing I've seen has been said about who the posters are and what's up with them. Were Cullen interested in clearing the air, his best energies could be applied to rectifying the situation, repairing the damage to his company's reputation and to make the position clear himself, personally. That way he'd be on record. It won't be the first time a company made (in retrospect) a rather obvious error in how they would be perceived by the event. Maybe so - and it's not the first time folks have jumped on Behringer on the flimsiest of excuses. Flimsiest of excuses? That comment is not even worthy of response. Nobody from Behringer was responsible for that original "review". What's so hard to understand? Please review all of my comments above and below. Point: Cullen was pretty quick to respond when the response was negative. Was his "response" directly or indirectly attributed and by whom? Spin control or non mea culpa? If the latter, then let's turn out the pepritrators and show them for who they are. Mr. Cullen could make that happen, I'm sure. Behringer is - rightly IMO - sensitive about what gets said about them here. I see nothing suspicious in Andy Cullen trying to set the record straight - only AFTER several people had alleged the original message originated within the company. Maybe I should start a rumour about you so we can measure how many milliseconds it takes you to respond? ;) With all due respect; 1. It's been done. In every case, the number of people who responded on my behalf before I got the chance to was really quite heart-warming. Mr. Cullen could possibly curry such favor, but he'd have to some cleanup work to do. Even then, it might not work, because of the current dynamics of this newsgroup and Mr. Cullen's communicational abilities. Very few company people are accepted here. Those who have been accepted know how to communicate to the group. 2. That you have had such a vituperous idea is not to your credit. Point: The use of language in the posts is too refined to have come off the hip. It was obviously concocted by a marketing person. It doesn't fit the mold of something from the mind of an overzealous dealer. Interesting interpretation. It reads to me as if it was written by a youngster trying to ape the puffy reviews in many magazines. Not one word of it looked as if it came from a professional. You are either pulling my leg or you need a wakeup call. Please take the opportunity to make this that opportunity. Somebody farted in church. It was a big fart and we all got a nice whiff. With all the lack of reverence due, that's the way I see it. Please yourself. As long as we're all clear that it wasn't Andy Cullen who farted. Apparently not, although he or someone else from the company might have served the beans. Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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Apparently not, although he or someone else from the company might have served the beans. or the other option so unthinkable to many here someend user Loved this amp and went on a praise rant over something he felt strongly about. Behringer saw no reason to tell someone who found and loved thier amp ,that he should stop saying such rediculous and damaging stuff, about a piece of behringer gear I believe it was a end user who found and loved a behringer amp and decided to post his feelings. nothing more much like I do about SLS loudspeakers and the Allen&Heath Icon mixer george --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 |
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In article ,
ospam (WillStG) wrote: I believe it was a end user who found and loved a behringer amp and decided to post his feelings. nothing more The same crap within 2 days about not only a new Behringer Amp but also the Behringer Vampire and the Behringer V-Tone Guitar pack too? "BEHRINGER SHIPS V-TONE GUITAR PACK " "BEHRINGER SHIPS THE Behringer V-AMPIRE LX1-112" "BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock! " 3 glowing wordy reviews worthy of a Muscian's Friend catalog, and all posted as first contributions to the newly found RAP? And official company statements disavowing said posts reading along the lines that they can't help it if people love their gear and want to write about it? Come on George. you doubt this but you believed the WMD lies? Come on Will. George |
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Wow, just like your product designs! Wow just like your statments. George |
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BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really ...Ohh Poop!
George wrote in message ...
In article , ospam (WillStG) wrote: I believe it was a end user who found and loved a behringer amp and decided to post his feelings. nothing more The same crap within 2 days about not only a new Behringer Amp but also the Behringer Vampire and the Behringer V-Tone Guitar pack too? "BEHRINGER SHIPS V-TONE GUITAR PACK " "BEHRINGER SHIPS THE Behringer V-AMPIRE LX1-112" "BEHRINGER guitar amps, they really rock! " 3 glowing wordy reviews worthy of a Muscian's Friend catalog, and all posted as first contributions to the newly found RAP? And official company statements disavowing said posts reading along the lines that they can't help it if people love their gear and want to write about it? Come on George. you doubt this but you believed the WMD lies? Come on Will. George Uli is not a republican g Analogeezer |
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(Andy Cullen) wrote:
Of course we are delighted to hear postive comments about our products from satisfied customers, and we are certain that the intentions behind these postings were only of the best possible kind. However, we insist that these specific postings do not originate from the company Behringer. Wow, just like your product designs! ulysses Hey guys, maybe we need to find another horse to ride. Me thinks this one is dead. Besides, nobody really cares about dead horses. --Wayne -"sounded good to me"- |
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"Wayne" wrote in message ... (Andy Cullen) wrote: Of course we are delighted to hear postive comments about our products from satisfied customers, and we are certain that the intentions behind these postings were only of the best possible kind. However, we insist that these specific postings do not originate from the company Behringer. Wow, just like your product designs! ulysses Hey guys, maybe we need to find another horse to ride. Me thinks this one is dead. Besides, nobody really cares about dead horses. beyond dead wanye ,this horse is all a figment in thier imagination george --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 |
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"George Gleason" wrote: Apparently not, although he or someone else from the company might have served the beans. or the other option so unthinkable to many here someend user Loved this amp and went on a praise rant over something he felt strongly about. Behringer saw no reason to tell someone who found and loved thier amp ,that he should stop saying such rediculous and damaging stuff, about a piece of behringer gear I believe it was a end user who found and loved a behringer amp and decided to post his feelings. nothing more much like I do about SLS loudspeakers and the Allen&Heath Icon mixer george That's what I like about the democracy we have over here George. I can let you have that thought without losing a wink of sleep. Regards, Ty Ford For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews, click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford |
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George,
I've said it before and Ill say it again, you are my favorite Behringer supporter if only becuase your thoughts are coherent and ofter backed by research. But I do have to ask, what are your connections with Behringer? Do you work for them? Sell thier products? Just an end user? "George Gleason" wrote in message ... "Wayne" wrote in message ... (Andy Cullen) wrote: Of course we are delighted to hear postive comments about our products from satisfied customers, and we are certain that the intentions behind these postings were only of the best possible kind. However, we insist that these specific postings do not originate from the company Behringer. Wow, just like your product designs! ulysses Hey guys, maybe we need to find another horse to ride. Me thinks this one is dead. Besides, nobody really cares about dead horses. beyond dead wanye ,this horse is all a figment in thier imagination george --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message ... In Article , "George Gleason" wrote: Apparently not, although he or someone else from the company might have served the beans. or the other option so unthinkable to many here someend user Loved this amp and went on a praise rant over something he felt strongly about. Behringer saw no reason to tell someone who found and loved thier amp ,that he should stop saying such rediculous and damaging stuff, about a piece of behringer gear I believe it was a end user who found and loved a behringer amp and decided to post his feelings. nothing more much like I do about SLS loudspeakers and the Allen&Heath Icon mixer george That's what I like about the democracy we have over here George. I can let you have that thought without losing a wink of sleep. actually in a democracy if enough people say it is so, it becomes so. I perfer a republic where things are not subject to having to cater to the unwashed masses to remain true George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 |
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Have you ever heard a real guitar amp?
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In this place, Ty Ford was recorded uttering these words:
Ty - with respect, we have an outright, official denial of any involvement in that message on behalf of Behringer. Andy Cullen was speaking on behalf of his company when he wrote that message. What is it - other than prejudice - that leads you to suggest he was lying? 1. Richard Nixon, "I am not a crook." Still living in Salem, are we? In your mind, everyone who denies an action is guilty by their own words. Interesting if topsy-turvy view of what the rest of us call natural justice. 2. My response is not based on prejudice, thank you very much. You could have fooled me. But, taing you at your word, perhaps you'd like to set out the substance that supports your view? 3. Nothing I've seen has been said about who the posters are and what's up with them. Were Cullen interested in clearing the air, his best energies could be applied to rectifying the situation, repairing the damage to his company's reputation and to make the position clear himself, personally. That way he'd be on record. Andy Cullen's message was polite and to the point. Behringer is the injured party here. Andy Cullen *is* on record (as are we) and the message states clearly to anyone not too blind or unwilling to see that Behringer was not responsibl for the original posts. It won't be the first time a company made (in retrospect) a rather obvious error in how they would be perceived by the event. Maybe so - and it's not the first time folks have jumped on Behringer on the flimsiest of excuses. Flimsiest of excuses? That comment is not even worthy of response. Until you manage to say *anything* of substance to support your position it remains more valuable than anything you have said in this thread. Nobody from Behringer was responsible for that original "review". What's so hard to understand? Please review all of my comments above and below. OK - done that. Behringer is still not responsible for the original "review" and you haven't said anything that even hints otherwise. Maybe I should start a rumour about you so we can measure how many milliseconds it takes you to respond? ;) With all due respect; 1. It's been done. In every case, the number of people who responded on my behalf before I got the chance to was really quite heart-warming. Did I just miss soemthing again? Who (apart from Will Miho in one of his odd moods) responded on your behalf? Mr. Cullen could possibly curry such favor, but he'd have to some cleanup work to do. Even then, it might not work, because of the current dynamics of this newsgroup and Mr. Cullen's communicational abilities. Very few company people are accepted here. Those who have been accepted know how to communicate to the group. Am I missing something again? Is this some kind of popularity contest that you think you are winning? If so, I apologise - I thought we were having a civil discussion about whether Behringer wrote a stupid message. 2. That you have had such a vituperous idea is not to your credit. Aah - it took even less time for you to respond than I imagined. And I didn't even have to start a rumour! Point: The use of language in the posts is too refined to have come off the hip. It was obviously concocted by a marketing person. It doesn't fit the mold of something from the mind of an overzealous dealer. Interesting interpretation. It reads to me as if it was written by a youngster trying to ape the puffy reviews in many magazines. Not one word of it looked as if it came from a professional. You are either pulling my leg or you need a wakeup call. Please take the opportunity to make this that opportunity. OK - I took two nights sound sleep, woke myself up and you still look wrong. Somebody farted in church. It was a big fart and we all got a nice whiff. With all the lack of reverence due, that's the way I see it. Please yourself. As long as we're all clear that it wasn't Andy Cullen who farted. Apparently not, although he or someone else from the company might have served the beans. Sigh - nothing anyone says here is going to alter your position, is it? It's not smart or clever to issue these pronouncements of yours. Attacking supplier companies does nothing to establish your independence. And, when you take your attacks to these extremes - and include individual employees in your target list, your real prejudices are clear to see. I'm sure you'd have us all believe that you can put on a cloak of professional detachment and impartiality when you write your reviews. Personally, I don't buy it. -- George Newcastle, England (Please remove leading 'NOSPAM' to reply by email) Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth by hitting back - Piet Hein |
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"Your Add Here!" wrote in message om... Have you ever heard a real guitar amp? what do you want us to add? George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 2/25/2004 |
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