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Mono-to-Stereo VST Plugin?
Mr. Customer just broght a DAT to to be mastered; Mr. ****head Engineer only
recorded the left channel of the live performance. (Whatsa meter?) So, in the old days I'd play a mono track through a Bedini BASE box and that worked pretty well for fake stereo; but I sold mine years back. There doesn't seem to be a lot of plugins that generate stereo from a mono track available. Any ideas? -- Regards, Klay Anderson http://www.klay.com +801-942-8346 |
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Klay Anderson wrote:
Mr. Customer just broght a DAT to to be mastered; Mr. ****head Engineer only recorded the left channel of the live performance. (Whatsa meter?) So, in the old days I'd play a mono track through a Bedini BASE box and that worked pretty well for fake stereo; but I sold mine years back. There doesn't seem to be a lot of plugins that generate stereo from a mono track available. Any ideas? Leave it mono. There's nothing wrong with mono. Mono is just fine. The Orban box is probably the best of the fake stereo boxes, but I always think mono beats fake stereo most of the time. Doing something like the Orban in the digital realm should be easy, but I don't see why you really should. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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This is what I do to make a false-stereo...
I basically work with it in a style like M-S... I duplicate the file to 3 tracks. Pan them Left, Center and Right. Phase reverse the right side and then delay the sides by half a frame or so. Raise the sides to bring in a bit of space to the recording. Depending on the type of music, sometimes adding a bit of reverb can also help. Nice thing is that it still maintains its mono compatibility. It isn't perfect, but it is a possibility. Also, the boxes that Bob Katz has designed also have a good false-stereo (the K-Stereo and K6 ambience recovery boxes). --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com please remove "nospam" upon reply "Klay Anderson" wrote in message ... Mr. Customer just broght a DAT to to be mastered; Mr. ****head Engineer only recorded the left channel of the live performance. (Whatsa meter?) So, in the old days I'd play a mono track through a Bedini BASE box and that worked pretty well for fake stereo; but I sold mine years back. There doesn't seem to be a lot of plugins that generate stereo from a mono track available. Any ideas? -- Regards, Klay Anderson http://www.klay.com +801-942-8346 |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
The Orban box is probably the best of the fake stereo boxes Respectfully disagree: IMHO the Ursa Major MSP-126 is the ne plus ultra of fake stereo synthesis. It even included an emulation of the Orban's reciprocal comb filter technique so you could hear how much better their delay-based stereo synthesis was (especially as far as mono compatibility goes). I always thought the MSP-126 was one of the most underrated processors to come out of the 1980's; really unique box. Apparently some vestiges of its algoritms were ported over to the ADR-68K or whatever the AKG effects box was called. But I definitely agree with Scott's other point: there's nothing wrong with mono! Embrace the mono! Feel the mono love! |
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Bob Ross wrote:
Respectfully disagree: IMHO the Ursa Major MSP-126 is the ne plus ultra of fake stereo synthesis. It even included an emulation of the Orban's reciprocal comb filter technique so you could hear how much better their delay-based stereo synthesis was (especially as far as mono compatibility goes). I always thought the MSP-126 was one of the most underrated processors to come out of the 1980's; really unique box. Apparently some vestiges of its algoritms were ported over to the ADR-68K or whatever the AKG effects box was called. I never used anything but the reverbs on it! How does the fake stereo function work? Anything involving delay makes me worry about mono compatibility issues. But I definitely agree with Scott's other point: there's nothing wrong with mono! Embrace the mono! Feel the mono love! "Stereo, you gotta be sitting between the speakers, but mono sounds good everywhere. All the time people are telling me how good it sounds. People call me up from a block over and say 'Vinny, that sounds good!" ---scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I am with Scott on this completely.
PLUS, I think that it is more of a philosophical question really... Since what you have is mono you can only come up with a pseudo-stereo track. What's the point? Treat it as something different, NOT something inferior... Good Luck, Evangelos % Evangelos Himonides IoE, University of London tel: +44 2076126599 fax: +44 2076126741 "Allas to those who never sing but die with all their music in them..." Oliver Wendell Holmes % |
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Evangelos Himonides wrote:
Since what you have is mono you can only come up with a pseudo-stereo track. Well, I suppose you could feed it into a stereo reverb... but that's sorta the equivalent of dropping the mono speaker in a resonant room, and hence not very different from just playing it mono in the listener's room. Treat it as something different, NOT something inferior... Makes sense to me. Black-and-white photos are a perfectly reasonable medium... (I _think_ it's Les Barker who does the poem about "Mono is coming! ... but only from one speaker." If I've got that misattributed, please correct me. It's definitely worth hearing.) |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Bob Ross wrote: Respectfully disagree: IMHO the Ursa Major MSP-126 is the ne plus ultra of fake stereo synthesis. It even included an emulation of the Orban's reciprocal comb filter technique so you could hear how much better their delay-based stereo synthesis was (especially as far as mono compatibility goes). I always thought the MSP-126 was one of the most underrated processors to come out of the 1980's; really unique box. Apparently some vestiges of its algoritms were ported over to the ADR-68K or whatever the AKG effects box was called. I never used anything but the reverbs on it! How does the fake stereo function work? Anything involving delay makes me worry about mono compatibility issues. The MSP-126 was just a multitap delay with 6 taps on the left & 6 on the right. I don't know how they actually implemented the taps to do the stereo synthesis; I just looked through the manual and it cryptically refers to "special, adjustable time delay patterns which process mono into stereo with flat response of Left, Right, and Left+Right output signals". I remember their whole raison d'etre was that the flat response of their delay-based fake synthesis was a dramatic (& previously unheard of) contrast to reciprocal comb filter-based fake stereo. Box did some really cool Haas Effect-based panning too. When was the last time you heard mono-compatible *panning* ?!?! |
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Klay Anderson wrote:
Mr. Customer just broght a DAT to to be mastered; Mr. ****head Engineer only recorded the left channel of the live performance. (Whatsa meter?) So, in the old days I'd play a mono track through a Bedini BASE box and that worked pretty well for fake stereo; but I sold mine years back. There doesn't seem to be a lot of plugins that generate stereo from a mono track available. Any ideas? Mono good - fake stereo is generally irritating to me for some reason. But sometimes for effect I might use an aux send to an eq/filter to a reverb, and add a touch of bandwidth limited stereo ambience. You could also try auxing to a multi band limiter set as a filter (like say a Waves C4 plugin), to a stereo pitch shifted delay, and return the stereo delays only into a stereo reverb. Will Miho NY Music/Live Sound and TV/Audio Post Guy "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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Mono-to-Stereo VST Plugin?
I agree with this. I love the MSP-126 for widening sounds. Very nice
and I haven't noticed any mono problems.... quote Bob Ross "Respectfully disagree: IMHO the Ursa Major MSP-126 is the ne plus ultra of fake stereo synthesis. It even included an emulation of the Orban's reciprocal comb filter technique so you could hear how much better their delay-based stereo synthesis was (especially as far as mono compatibility goes). I always thought the MSP-126 was one of the most underrated processors to come out of the 1980's; really unique box. Apparently some vestiges of its algoritms were ported over to the ADR-68K or whatever the AKG effects box was called. But I definitely agree with Scott's other point: there's nothing wrong with mono! Embrace the mono! Feel the mono love! Reply" |
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