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So what you're saying is that the US is offering the best price for scarce resources, and is paying the same price as anyone else for non-scarce goods? The countries that sell us resources don't have to, do they? Glenn D. when they don't we will liberate them George |
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Usually, yes. But recently, they've decided it's easier to just make up
lies about WMDs so they can just invade oil rich countries & take the oil. Are we taking any oil? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Usually, yes. But recently, they've decided it's easier to just make up
lies about WMDs so they can just invade oil rich countries & take the oil. Are we taking any oil? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message ... Glenn Dowdy wrote: So what you're saying is that the US is offering the best price for scarce resources, and is paying the same price as anyone else for non-scarce goods? The countries that sell us resources don't have to, do they? I'm not sure that is what I am saying, but you still missed my point. We could have and can still choose to conserve resources instead of exploiting them. It is about doing the right thing, not what is in the best interest of huge corporations. Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. b.t.w. Exxon still hasn't paid everything they owe for the Valdez disaster. Still litigating. In the meantime, still one of the most profitable entities on the planet. That's the Law's fault, not anyone elses. Glenn D. |
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"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message ... Glenn Dowdy wrote: So what you're saying is that the US is offering the best price for scarce resources, and is paying the same price as anyone else for non-scarce goods? The countries that sell us resources don't have to, do they? I'm not sure that is what I am saying, but you still missed my point. We could have and can still choose to conserve resources instead of exploiting them. It is about doing the right thing, not what is in the best interest of huge corporations. Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. b.t.w. Exxon still hasn't paid everything they owe for the Valdez disaster. Still litigating. In the meantime, still one of the most profitable entities on the planet. That's the Law's fault, not anyone elses. Glenn D. |
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The troops will come out when there is an awakening from that dream, when the return on investment in dollars and blood no longer makes economic sense, or when we they find someone to take it from at lower cost. If I was Canada I would keep one hand on the throttle and one hand on my pistol George |
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The troops will come out when there is an awakening from that dream, when the return on investment in dollars and blood no longer makes economic sense, or when we they find someone to take it from at lower cost. If I was Canada I would keep one hand on the throttle and one hand on my pistol George |
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Pete Dimsman wrote:
Blind Joni wrote: The problem is that the US 7% of the population consumes far, far more than it's share of the worlds resources. And most of those resources belonged to other countries... it's a stacked deck, which is why so much of the world resents America. I understand this but aren't we BUYING those resources..we're not stealing them. You CAN'T put a dollar value on everything. There is a finite amount of fossil fuel available, and we took a good portion of that while it was still cheap. Because we have (or had) the money to pay for them, doesn't change the fact that we have and continue to use an imporportionate amount of those resources. Maybe "stealing" isn't the right word, you can call it "taking". Making sure that oil was to be sold for dollars at about the same time we went off the gold standard was a great way to insure the continued viability of the Dollar... |
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Pete Dimsman wrote:
Blind Joni wrote: The problem is that the US 7% of the population consumes far, far more than it's share of the worlds resources. And most of those resources belonged to other countries... it's a stacked deck, which is why so much of the world resents America. I understand this but aren't we BUYING those resources..we're not stealing them. You CAN'T put a dollar value on everything. There is a finite amount of fossil fuel available, and we took a good portion of that while it was still cheap. Because we have (or had) the money to pay for them, doesn't change the fact that we have and continue to use an imporportionate amount of those resources. Maybe "stealing" isn't the right word, you can call it "taking". Making sure that oil was to be sold for dollars at about the same time we went off the gold standard was a great way to insure the continued viability of the Dollar... |
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Same here in Albany...all the city stuff is those little electric eggs.
Did they get those to match The Egg? Scott Fraser |
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Same here in Albany...all the city stuff is those little electric eggs.
Did they get those to match The Egg? Scott Fraser |
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Glenn Dowdy wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. You really need to do some research into what those huge corporations have done and continue to do to deliberately sabotage efforts to make alternative energy sources more viable. Can't blame that on us. |
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Glenn Dowdy wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. You really need to do some research into what those huge corporations have done and continue to do to deliberately sabotage efforts to make alternative energy sources more viable. Can't blame that on us. |
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Glenn Dowdy wrote: Some of those huge corporations, yes. Not all of them. Yes, but it is the ones that profit on the wasting of said resources. Mainly the oil companies, which have historically been hugely profitable businesses. And it the greedy mofo's at the top of those corporations. Yes? But isn't that the point? Everyone else just wants to keep their jobs. And it is the whores that keep pimps in business. |
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Glenn Dowdy wrote: Some of those huge corporations, yes. Not all of them. Yes, but it is the ones that profit on the wasting of said resources. Mainly the oil companies, which have historically been hugely profitable businesses. And it the greedy mofo's at the top of those corporations. Yes? But isn't that the point? Everyone else just wants to keep their jobs. And it is the whores that keep pimps in business. |
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"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message ... Glenn Dowdy wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. You really need to do some research into what those huge corporations have done and continue to do to deliberately sabotage efforts to make alternative energy sources more viable. Can't blame that on us. Some of those huge corporations, yes. Not all of them. And it the greedy mofo's at the top of those corporations. Everyone else just wants to keep their jobs. Glenn D. |
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"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message ... Glenn Dowdy wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. You really need to do some research into what those huge corporations have done and continue to do to deliberately sabotage efforts to make alternative energy sources more viable. Can't blame that on us. Some of those huge corporations, yes. Not all of them. And it the greedy mofo's at the top of those corporations. Everyone else just wants to keep their jobs. Glenn D. |
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On 16 Sep 2004 22:13:39 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:
The problem is that the US 7% of the population consumes far, far more than it's share of the worlds resources. And most of the those resources belonged to other countries... it's a stacked deck, which is why so much of the world resents America. I understand this but aren't we BUYING those resources..we're not stealing them. That's not really true if you look a little deeper. Historically we have used our military power to manipulate our access to raw materials that we needed, and to keep prices favorable to the US. This is what allows our corporations to amass such great wealth. The CIA and the American military have worked to insure that we continue to get these resources by constantly interfering in other country's affairs, propping up authoritarian leaders, rigging elections, promoting assinations, etc etc. The average person in these resource-rich places gets no benefit from the sale of these resources, the money tending to stay with the ruler of the country, his extended family, and their cronies. The US practices a type of economic colonialism enforced by violence if neccessary. This is a really big subject and I'm too tired to go into it fully at the moment, but I suggest you do some reading, you will surely be enlightened, this book is a pretty good start: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II -- William Blum http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 Every conflict we have been involved in since WWII has at it's heart been about the control of resources. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:39:27 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote: Glenn Dowdy wrote: So what you're saying is that the US is offering the best price for scarce resources, and is paying the same price as anyone else for non-scarce goods? The countries that sell us resources don't have to, do they? I'm not sure that is what I am saying, but you still missed my point. We could have and can still choose to conserve resources instead of exploiting them. It is about doing the right thing, not what is in the best interest of huge corporations. b.t.w. Exxon still hasn't paid everything they owe for the Valdez disaster. Still litigating. In the meantime, still one of the most profitable entities on the planet. The victims of the Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal India still haven't received a dime either, it remains in litigation as well. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:39:27 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote: Glenn Dowdy wrote: So what you're saying is that the US is offering the best price for scarce resources, and is paying the same price as anyone else for non-scarce goods? The countries that sell us resources don't have to, do they? I'm not sure that is what I am saying, but you still missed my point. We could have and can still choose to conserve resources instead of exploiting them. It is about doing the right thing, not what is in the best interest of huge corporations. b.t.w. Exxon still hasn't paid everything they owe for the Valdez disaster. Still litigating. In the meantime, still one of the most profitable entities on the planet. The victims of the Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal India still haven't received a dime either, it remains in litigation as well. |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:33:53 -0600, "Glenn Dowdy"
wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. This is a great failure of leadership. The world's resources are finite commodities, yet there is no promotion of conservation. This is going to bite the USA in ass real soon, in fact it's already started. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. The reason they can sell it at a profit is that we promote foreign governments who will play ball with us and keep the prices low so that the corporations can make great profits. Those governments more often that not are *extremely* oppressive and corrupt. Saudi Arabi is the ultimate example but there are scores of others. Indonesia, Burma, Chile (under Pinochet), Kazakistan, Nigeria are a few that come to mind off the top of my head. So much for exporting democracy. When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? The ignorance of the average US citizen of what really goes on in the world is a huge problem, & is the source of surpised questions of "why do they hate us?" etc. Al |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:33:53 -0600, "Glenn Dowdy"
wrote: Those huge corporations aren't the ones consuming resources. It's the 400 million folks in the US. This is a great failure of leadership. The world's resources are finite commodities, yet there is no promotion of conservation. This is going to bite the USA in ass real soon, in fact it's already started. Big corporations don't just buy stuff because they can . They buy because they can sell it at a profit. The reason they can sell it at a profit is that we promote foreign governments who will play ball with us and keep the prices low so that the corporations can make great profits. Those governments more often that not are *extremely* oppressive and corrupt. Saudi Arabi is the ultimate example but there are scores of others. Indonesia, Burma, Chile (under Pinochet), Kazakistan, Nigeria are a few that come to mind off the top of my head. So much for exporting democracy. When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? The ignorance of the average US citizen of what really goes on in the world is a huge problem, & is the source of surpised questions of "why do they hate us?" etc. Al |
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"playon" wrote in message When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? That's when Nostradamus' man in the Blue Turban will appear. ;-) |
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"playon" wrote in message When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? That's when Nostradamus' man in the Blue Turban will appear. ;-) |
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Those governments more often
that not are *extremely* oppressive and corrupt. Saudi Arabi is the ultimate example but there are scores of others. Indonesia, Burma, Chile (under Pinochet), Kazakistan, Nigeria are a few that come to mind off the top of my head. So much for exporting democracy. When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? The ignorance of the average US citizen of what really goes on in the world is a huge problem, & is the source of surpised questions of "why do they hate us?" etc. I guess I'm on of the average US citizens. Do you think left to their own devices these countries would develope governments more to our liking? I mean, these kinds of scenarios existed long before the US was on the scene...seemingly throughout history. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Those governments more often
that not are *extremely* oppressive and corrupt. Saudi Arabi is the ultimate example but there are scores of others. Indonesia, Burma, Chile (under Pinochet), Kazakistan, Nigeria are a few that come to mind off the top of my head. So much for exporting democracy. When the Saudi royal family finally gets overthrown, what kind of prices do you think oil will reach then? The ignorance of the average US citizen of what really goes on in the world is a huge problem, & is the source of surpised questions of "why do they hate us?" etc. I guess I'm on of the average US citizens. Do you think left to their own devices these countries would develope governments more to our liking? I mean, these kinds of scenarios existed long before the US was on the scene...seemingly throughout history. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Just in case your Hummer doesn't use enough gas, you can always get one
of these: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...5a.hmedium.jpg http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6026041 Truck maker unveils a monster pickup Navistar's 14,500-pound vehicle gets 7 miles a gallon |
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Just in case your Hummer doesn't use enough gas, you can always get one
of these: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...5a.hmedium.jpg http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6026041 Truck maker unveils a monster pickup Navistar's 14,500-pound vehicle gets 7 miles a gallon |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:28:04 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote: Just in case your Hummer doesn't use enough gas, you can always get one of these: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...5a.hmedium.jpg http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6026041 Truck maker unveils a monster pickup Navistar's 14,500-pound vehicle gets 7 miles a gallon Jesus... why not just buy a Kenworth or a Peterbuilt and be done with it? Al |
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:28:04 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote: Just in case your Hummer doesn't use enough gas, you can always get one of these: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co...5a.hmedium.jpg http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6026041 Truck maker unveils a monster pickup Navistar's 14,500-pound vehicle gets 7 miles a gallon Jesus... why not just buy a Kenworth or a Peterbuilt and be done with it? Al |
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playon wrote:
I was talking about the scenarios overthrowing and undermining of democratically elected governments by the US, and the installation of dicatorial puppet regimes installed by the US... the the Shah of Iran... that one really turned around and bit us on the ass, didn't it? You don't seem like a dumb guy, why don't you read up on it a little, I'm seriously encouraging you. Start with the original source--Donald Wilber's recently declassified report on TPAJAX http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/ |
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playon wrote:
I was talking about the scenarios overthrowing and undermining of democratically elected governments by the US, and the installation of dicatorial puppet regimes installed by the US... the the Shah of Iran... that one really turned around and bit us on the ass, didn't it? You don't seem like a dumb guy, why don't you read up on it a little, I'm seriously encouraging you. Start with the original source--Donald Wilber's recently declassified report on TPAJAX http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/ |
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playon
(Blind Joni) wrote: Are we taking any oil? **** yes. We are buying it of course, ... Stealing = buying. Doh! If the world indeed does hate Americans as you claim Al, for the reason of our stupidity, *you* are in big trouble. ... but since the oil infrastructer and export will all be managed by oil corporations (friends of Bush and Cheney's) all the money will go to US companies. How about Theresa Heinz Kerry's MASSIVE holdings in Halliburton Dude? And she refuses to release her financial records and disclose her investments, unlike Bush and Cheney who have released all their records and put their investments into blind trusts. Fact is because of this non-disclosure it's the Democrat who is the ethically challenged candidate, by every standard set in past Presidential elections. Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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