[urbanopolis]

you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

[Arkansan Raider]

urbanopolis wrote:
you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

R.I.P.

---Jeff

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:19:30 -0500, Arkansan Raider
wrote:

urbanopolis wrote:
you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

R.I.P.

Indeed - I saw him at the Iridium a couple of years back, and he could
still give a stunning performance. I'd love to have seen him in the
sixties.

d

[Tobiah]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:58:52 -0700, urbanopolis wrote:

you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay. I remember that we used to
have up to 2-sec delay boxes before I would
guess that there were microprocessors in guitar
pedals. Is that what this is? How did they work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U

[Eeyore[_3_]]

Tobiah wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:58:52 -0700, urbanopolis wrote:

you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay. I remember that we used to
have up to 2-sec delay boxes before I would
guess that there were microprocessors in guitar
pedals. Is that what this is? How did they work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U

I didn't watch the clip but the common methods for delay were tape loops
and rotary magnetic drums. Example of each, WEM Copycat and Binson
Echorec.

They also had several displaced replay heads to create a reverb too.

Graham


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[Scott Dorsey]

Tobiah wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:58:52 -0700, urbanopolis wrote:

you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay. I remember that we used to
have up to 2-sec delay boxes before I would
guess that there were microprocessors in guitar
pedals. Is that what this is? How did they work?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXSXOAfB4U

Those delay boxes were bucket brigade devices. I think the device he is
demonstrating is actually a tape delay system, which predates the BBD by
quite a few years, but I am not positive.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[William Sommerwerck]

Those delay boxes were bucket brigade devices. I think the
device he is demonstrating is actually a tape delay system,
which predates the BBD by quite a few years, but I am not
positive.

Awfully small tape recorder...

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
William Sommerwerck wrote:
Those delay boxes were bucket brigade devices. I think the
device he is demonstrating is actually a tape delay system,
which predates the BBD by quite a few years, but I am not
positive.

Awfully small tape recorder...

What you see on the guitar is the remote control, the actual effects
device is elsewhere. This was also very common in the era.

I think I still have a Cooper Timecube remote around here somewhere.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

Tobiah wrote:

He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay.

He didn't invent much of what he claimed he did (including the
multitrack recorder). But
what he did, and why he's so well respected, was for making
technological developments
an important and integral part of his music. He was an inventor, an
innovator, and a
wisecracker, but first and last, a musician.

He wasn't the first one to do overdubbing between two turntables, but he
took it further
than anyone else, and he figured out how to do it on one tape deck so
that he could
record on the road without having to carry two recorders.


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[Engineer[_2_]]

On Aug 13, 3:41*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
Tobiah wrote:
He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay. *

He didn't invent much of what he claimed he did (including the
multitrack recorder). But
what he did, and why he's so well respected, was for making
technological developments
an important and integral part of his music. He was an inventor, an
innovator, and *a
wisecracker, but first and last, a musician.

He wasn't the first one to do overdubbing between two turntables, but he
took it further
than anyone else, and he figured out how to do it on one tape deck so
that he could
record on the road without having to carry two recorders.

--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me he
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

IIRC, the "multitraking" he introduced required the re-recording each
time of all previously recorded tracks - so quality suffered as new
"tracks" were laid in.
Cheers,
Roger

[Mike Rivers]

Engineer wrote:

IIRC, the "multitraking" he introduced required the re-recording each
time of all previously recorded tracks - so quality suffered as new
"tracks" were laid in.

And this made his recordings unacceptable? Kids today have it too easy!

--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me he
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

[Ben Bradley[_2_]]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:56:31 GMT, Mike Rivers
wrote:

Engineer wrote:

IIRC, the "multitraking" he introduced required the re-recording each
time of all previously recorded tracks - so quality suffered as new
"tracks" were laid in.

And this made his recordings unacceptable? Kids today have it too easy!

Looking at it from another perspective and seeing the equipment he
had available at the time, this made his recordings POSSIBLE.

Yeah, the kids these days have it easy, and they (we!) can thank
Les Paul, among others.

[bud--[_2_]]

Engineer wrote:
On Aug 13, 3:41 pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
Tobiah wrote:
He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay.
He didn't invent much of what he claimed he did (including the
multitrack recorder). But
what he did, and why he's so well respected, was for making
technological developments
an important and integral part of his music. He was an inventor, an
innovator, and a
wisecracker, but first and last, a musician.

He wasn't the first one to do overdubbing between two turntables, but he
took it further
than anyone else, and he figured out how to do it on one tape deck so
that he could
record on the road without having to carry two recorders.

--
If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach
me he
double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers
)

IIRC, the "multitraking" he introduced required the re-recording each
time of all previously recorded tracks - so quality suffered as new
"tracks" were laid in.
Cheers,
Roger

[bud--[_2_]]

Engineer wrote:
On Aug 13, 3:41 pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
Tobiah wrote:
He says here that he invented what seems
to be a delay.
He didn't invent much of what he claimed he did (including the
multitrack recorder). But
what he did, and why he's so well respected, was for making
technological developments
an important and integral part of his music. He was an inventor, an
innovator, and a
wisecracker, but first and last, a musician.

He wasn't the first one to do overdubbing between two turntables, but he
took it further
than anyone else, and he figured out how to do it on one tape deck so
that he could
record on the road without having to carry two recorders.


IIRC, the "multitraking" he introduced required the re-recording each
time of all previously recorded tracks - so quality suffered as new
"tracks" were laid in.
Cheers,
Roger

From a book with some information on Les Paul:
In the early days recording was to records. Others were using
playback-to-new recording to add tracks but could only go to about 3
recordings because of noise. Les Paul's system could go quite a few more
levels. One way noise was controlled was to play just under the input
stage distortion point so signal to noise level was highest.
Consistently playing just under distortion level was reportedly not easy.

Early echo was done by adding a playback arm to the record cutter - the
sound was cut to a record and played back to create echo.

Later he had an 8 track tape recorder which made everything easier.

The Milwaukee Discovery Center (a science museum) has an interesting
display on Les Paul (or at least had one a month ago). Mostly about the
technical side.

(Apologies if this posts more than once)

--
bud--

[Eeyore[_3_]]

urbanopolis wrote:

you will be missed.
Amazing.

Sadly, we all run out of time. He must have had a good innings ( UK
cricket term ) though.

Graham

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[dwgriffi]

On Aug 13, 1:44*pm, Eeyore
wrote:
urbanopolis wrote:
you will be missed.
Amazing.

Sadly, we all run out of time. He must have had a good innings ( UK
cricket term ) though.


Didn't we all just assume he'd never not be around?

To have a great mind that gets a kick out of the young people coming
up in a changing field is an incredible blessing to us. Thanks for
being so inspiring to us, Les.

R.I.P.

[garyvee]

On Aug 13, 9:58*am, urbanopolis wrote:
you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

A performance with Mary Ford of "World is Waiting for the Sunrise". An
amazing guitarist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4

Gary V

[Arkansan Raider]

garyvee wrote:
On Aug 13, 9:58 am, urbanopolis wrote:
you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

A performance with Mary Ford of "World is Waiting for the Sunrise". An
amazing guitarist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4

Gary V

That's good stuff, right there...

---Jeff

[WillStG]

On Aug 13, 10:09 pm, garyvee wrote:
On Aug 13, 9:58 am, urbanopolis wrote:

you will be missed.
Amazing.

jm

A performance with Mary Ford of "World is Waiting for the Sunrise". An
amazing guitarist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4

Gary V

About a minute in you see a bunch of licks copped many many times
by Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck. Lots of these guys stood over their
turntables for hours copping Les Paul.

Long may he RIP.

Will Miho
NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits