http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4404362.stm

Right-wing French MP Philippe de Villiers told RTL radio that the
problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and
uncontrolled immigration".

While the Muslim representative demands they be "given" their due.

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.

They "must be given the conditions to live with dignity as human
beings", not in "disgraceful squats", he said.

They demand France give them what they could never earn or build for
themselves.

ScottW

"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

ScottW wrote :


Right-wing French MP Philippe de Villiers told RTL radio that the
problem stemmed from the "failure of a policy of massive and
uncontrolled immigration".

LOL, I was sure that this one will please you.
Presumptuous and dumb, just like you. ;-)

In , Sander deWaal wrote :

"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.

Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.

Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.

They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and gentler
"French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism) with a
great social safety net.

--
Thanks,

Mike

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
In , Sander deWaal wrote :

"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.

Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.

Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.

Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

ScottW

On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

So you don't believe in code enforcement.

Cool.

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.


People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
:


Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.

Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.


socialism

"MLZ" wrote in message
.. .
They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and
gentler "French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism)
with a great social safety net.


I thought the Soviet Union was dead.

"ScottW" wrote in message
oups.com...

Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

A better choice would be to break into the car and sleep in it.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

So you don't believe in code enforcement.

I believe in enforcing the immigration code.

Clyde Slick said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

So you don't believe in code enforcement.

Cool.

Everybody duck..here comes another dose irrationality courtesy of Dave.

ScottW

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
:


Most of Paris' suburbs is a bull**** inhuman urbanization from the '60s.
Add to this 40 to 45% unenployment and you have an explosive mixture.

Same events occured in London few years ago... same reasons.


socialism

bingo

Some of our worst riots started in public housing projects.

ScottW

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Clyde Slick said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.


You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

Clyde Slick said:

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it up...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


Clyde Slick said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.


You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

Maybe the Canadian accomodations were inadequate.

http://tinyurl.com/d8xza

ScottW

"ScottW" wrote in message
news:T6zaf.4755$AC.4455@dukeread10...

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
...

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote in message ...


Clyde Slick said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.


You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

Maybe the Canadian accomodations were inadequate.

http://tinyurl.com/d8xza


If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Clyde Slick said:

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
up...


Sorry, Norton is on an inspection tour.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:20:21 -0800, "ScottW"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On 3 Nov 2005 14:21:31 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


Sander deWaal wrote:
"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.

So you don't believe in code enforcement.

Cool.

Everybody duck..here comes another dose irrationality courtesy of Dave.

ScottW

More fractured English from our little Hitler.

In , George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote :



Clyde Slick said:

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

You say he is saying that, but is that actually true? All French can have
free adeqaute accomodations?

I don't know. If only a citizen of France were posting here to clear it
up...


LA CONSTITUTION Française DE 1958 ET LE PRÉAMBULE DE 1946
Texte incluant les modifications depuis 1958

[...]
10. La Nation assure à l'individu et à la famille les conditions nécessaires
à leur développement.
[...]

In , George M. Middius cmndr
[underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote :



Clyde Slick said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????

I believe he's saying that in France, all citizens have that right.

It's a right but it's not free.

In , MLZ wrote :

They might have a high unemployment rate, but they have a kinder and
gentler "French" style economy (certainty NOT American style capitalism)
with a great social safety net.

That's right but it's still very difficult to live with that. I mean
materially but also morally.

Clyde Slick said:

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Is that your "compassionate conservative" viewpoint?


..
..
..

Clyde Slick said:

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.
Just to give you an idea of how moronic you are.

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Clyde Slick said:

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.

Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

dave weil wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Clyde Slick said:

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.

Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

Apparently its not quite so simple as producing a birth certificate.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/.../2002/0610.htm


I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

Thats because all the waiter are going to refuse service to the
aggressors and save us.

ScottW

dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Clyde Slick said:


If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.


Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
trolls.

"ScottW" said:

Dalil Boubakeur, the head of the Paris mosque and the president of the
French Council for the Muslim Religion, said living conditions for
Muslim immigrants in the suburbs were unacceptable.


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.


They aren't french citizens. My accomodations are strictly
dependent on what I can and am willing to pay, not what the state is
willing to provide me. And I don't go burn someones car when I don't
like it.


Well, when they're allowed to stay in France, they (should) have at
least the same rights as others.
If one doesn't want (to take responsibility for) illegal aliens, get
them out.
Allow them to stay, and you owe them at least a decent shelter.

Look at it this way: here in Holland, we (the state) provide housing
and a minimum of income for those who are allowed to stay here.
With that basis, they can learn the language, and when they are
acomodated, they can go working.

Most of them do after some time, we have very knowledgeable and
skilled doctors, engineers etc. from Turkey, Croatia, some African and
Asian countries.

I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
goal, however.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Lionel wrote:
dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Clyde Slick said:


If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.


Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
trolls.

If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
as immigrants?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

ScottW

"Clyde Slick" said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.


People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????


If they're allowed to stay, yes.
If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

On 4 Nov 2005 11:21:50 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:


dave weil wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:


Clyde Slick said:

If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.

Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

Apparently its not quite so simple as producing a birth certificate.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/.../2002/0610.htm

The same tricks of bureacracy can happen here as well. At least there
are no stories of imprisioning American citizens based on their
ethnicity.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

Thats because all the waiter are going to refuse service to the
aggressors and save us.

Perhaps paying attention in school would have helped your apparent
struggles with the English language.

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote:

I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
goal, however.

Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

ScottW "The Môron" a écrit :

Lionel wrote:

dave weil a écrit :

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:54:24 +0100, Lionel
wrote:



Clyde Slick said:



If things in France are all that bad for the rioters, then
it shows how stupid they were for emigrating from
their native paradise.

Oooops, I missed this one. ;-)

Most of them are not more than 20 years old and their parents are in France
since 2 or 3 generations.


Despite what ScottW says, then they're French, right? At least if they
DECIDE themselves that they're French and have lived there for the
requisite number of years.

I find it funny that ScottW thinks that this is the end of France, but
doesn't see it as the end of the US when the same thing happens here
(as he's already admitted).

Scott is so moronic that I don't feel anymore pleasure to answer to his
trolls.


If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
as immigrants?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

If you want to know the true of it, try to read french papers or stop
speaking about things that you don't understand, you môron.

http://www.lemonde.fr
http://www.liberation.fr/
http://www.lefigaro.fr/
http://www.humanite.fr/

Sander deWaal a écrit :
"Clyde Slick" said:


From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.


IMHO.



People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????



If they're allowed to stay, yes.
If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

I guess that it's like in France.
The have an amount of money at their disposal and they need to pay their
accomodation, etc...

dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote:


I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
goal, however.


Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

Not the same *declared* fight.

On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
prohibited.

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0100, Lionel
wrote:

dave weil a écrit :
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:40:05 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote:


I agree that burning cars and other stuff isn't the way to reach your
goal, however.


Or even stabbing film directors for that matter.

Not the same *declared* fight.

On a NG so full of stupid hatemongers even "funny" amalguams should be
prohibited.

Yeah, so stupid that they completely miss the point.

On 4 Nov 2005 11:40:19 -0800, "ScottW" wrote:

If they are born in France... why do the French keep referring to them
as immigrants?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

If you had delved a little deeper from the same source, you would have
read THIS:

"It was rumoured that the boys had actually been chased by police, a
belief which quickly spread and sparked rioting in Clichy-sous-Bois, a
poor suburb largely populated by North African immigrants and their
French-born descendants where there was already friction between
residents and police"

I know that comprehension isn't your best trait, so please let me know
if you'd like the phrase "French-born descendants" explained to you.

Sander deWaal wrote:
"Clyde Slick" said:

From what I've seen on TV, the conditions most of them live in *are*
unacceptable to Western standards.
If they are French citizens, they have as much right to ask for
adequate accomodation as other French citizens.

IMHO.


People have a right to free adequate accomodations?????


If they're allowed to stay, yes.
If you do not, they'll take it or become criminals.

Our history of free housing projects is not pretty. There is no
pride of ownership and the concentration of the low end of the economic
structure and the associated crime is just a bad idea.

Heres a good history.

http://staging.fanniemaefoundation.o...03_hoffman.pdf

ScottW