The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000 prize to
the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti Stones and P.W.B.
Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if they can spot the same
differences under a controlled test environment as they did in their
published reviews. He sent an email to twelve reviewers. The link below
has details. This should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

-Greg

"Greg Williams" wrote in message
news
The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an email
to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This should be
interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8


Details:

This ABX Comparator is the ideal setup to test audio devices and systems. It
generates a random "A or B" switching signal, so that the user does not know
whether the item or variable being examined is in or out of the circuit, and
it accepts the user's decisions and stores them. When the Moment of Truth
arrives, the user sees the results of a proper double-blind test. This is a
setup that the audio quacks strenuously avoid, in fear that their fakery
will be exposed.

Today I sent out the following e-mail letter to eleven audio reviewers who
showed up on the web pages of the Shakti Stones and P.W.B. Electronics, as
endorsers of some audio nonsense mentioned here last week, and to both
manufacturers of the devices as well. The letter explains itself:


My name is James Randi. I am the president of the James Randi Educational
Foundation (address and contacts listed below) and I am an investigator of
unusual claims. This Foundation has a prize of one million dollars that we
offer, details of which are to be found at www.randi.org/research/index.html
and www.randi.org/research/challenge.html.
As a reviewer for a major audio publication, I'm sure that you will find
the following offer of great interest, both from the point of view of
validating your expert judgment, and adding substantially to your net worth.

Please refer to www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3 and go to the item "THE
JREF MILLION IS SURELY WON" to learn of the items - the "Shakti Stones" and
P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" - that I am referring to
here. In my opinion - and I have none of your expertise, I freely admit -
these are farcical in nature. Yet experts such as yourself have endorsed
these products, and that support indicates that the JREF million-dollar
prize should surely be offered, either to you personally, or to the
manufacturers of these products - who have been similarly informed on this
date.

If you require further information concerning details of this endeavor,
please contact me at and inquire. This is a valid offer, a
serious offer, and a sincere offer. Should any of these products prove to
work as advertised, the first person who is able to demonstrate the efficacy
of any of them, will be the winner of the JREF prize as described in the
rules and details to be found at the above references.

I await your response with great interest.

The above e-mail message was sent to:

Frank Doris, at The Absolute Sound:

Clay Swartz, Clark Johnson, and David Robinson at Positive Feedback:
, , and


Larry Kaye, Wayne Donnelly, and Bill Brassington at fi:
, , and

Bascom King at Audio:

Wes Phillips at SoundStage:

Jim Merod at Jazz Times:

Dick Olsher at Enjoy The Music:

Peter and May Belt at "P.W.B. Electronics":

Benjamin Piazza at "Shakti Innovations":

Let's see what reaction is received - if any - to this clearly-outlined
challenge. Remember, all we're doing here is asking the reviewers - the
trained, experienced experts, the responsible endorsers of these products -
to repeat their tests of the items, but this time under double-blind,
secure, conditions. And we're making the same offer to the manufacturers,
who we would expect to be even more sensitive and capable of performing such
tests.

WE ARE OFFERING ONE MILLION DOLLARS IF THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY CAN
DO, WHAT THEY DO PROFESSIONALLY, IN A FIELD WHERE THEY CLAIM EXPERTISE FAR
BEYOND THAT OF MERE MORTALS. WE ASK FOR NO INVESTMENT FROM THEM, WE DO NOT
CHARGE THEM FOR PARTICIPATING - AND WE STAND TO GAIN NOTHING BUT WE DO RISK
THE LOSS OF THE MILLION DOLLARS PRIZE MONEY.

I am a mere mortal, unencumbered by academic degrees or claims of audio
expertise. Show me, and win a million dollars...

(Sylvia Browne just called and offered refuge and professional evasion
advice to all the above-listed.)

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004 newsletter. If
you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter, it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves the door
wide open for an absence of resolution.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so favorably.

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: Paul Dormer
Date: 8/17/2004 9:43 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an email
to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This should be
interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8


Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

This doesn't sound like a new challenge. IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false premises
(lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap trick, and
the repetitive nature with which you do this is self evident from your
posting history. It's the "How many times did you beat your wife?"
routine and it doesn't wash...

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004 newsletter. If
you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape
artist.." www.randi.org

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the cables I
sold. You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I did claim
magical properties for the cables. Failure to do either will
demonstrate the hollowness of your transparent pathetic lie. Naturally
you won't do either, because you are unable to. You are unable to
break the habit of double talking with anybody you consider an
adversary.

Or... maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps, despite strong expectations to the
contrary, you CAN change after all these years? This is my challenge
to you: I am prepared to agree to a truce based on mutually agreeable
conditions (to be discussed). No ****ing about. Now are *you* prepared
to work toward ironing out differences?

it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

Zzzzzzzz..

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves the door
wide open for an absence of resolution.

You didn't answer the question.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so favorably.

Academic, of no interest at this stage. I didn't even read that bit.


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Date: 8/17/2004 10:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false premises
(lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap trick, and
the repetitive nature with which you do this is self evident from your
posting history. It's the "How many times did you beat your wife?"
routine and it doesn't wash...

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004 newsletter. If
you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape
artist.." www.randi.org

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the cables I
sold. You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I did claim
magical properties for the cables. Failure to do either will
demonstrate the hollowness of your transparent pathetic lie. Naturally
you won't do either, because you are unable to. You are unable to
break the habit of double talking with anybody you consider an
adversary.

Or... maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps, despite strong expectations to the
contrary, you CAN change after all these years? This is my challenge
to you: I am prepared to agree to a truce based on mutually agreeable
conditions (to be discussed). No ****ing about. Now are *you* prepared
to work toward ironing out differences?

it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

Zzzzzzzz..

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves the door
wide open for an absence of resolution.

You didn't answer the question.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so favorably.

Academic, of no interest at this stage. I didn't even read that bit.


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"Torresists" emitted :



Date: 8/17/2004 10:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false premises
(lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap trick, and
the repetitive nature with which you do this is self evident from your
posting history. It's the "How many times did you beat your wife?"
routine and it doesn't wash...

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004 newsletter. If
you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape
artist.." www.randi.org

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the cables I
sold. You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I did claim
magical properties for the cables. Failure to do either will
demonstrate the hollowness of your transparent pathetic lie. Naturally
you won't do either, because you are unable to. You are unable to
break the habit of double talking with anybody you consider an
adversary.

Or... maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps, despite strong expectations to the
contrary, you CAN change after all these years? This is my challenge
to you: I am prepared to agree to a truce based on mutually agreeable
conditions (to be discussed). No ****ing about. Now are *you* prepared
to work toward ironing out differences?

it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

Zzzzzzzz..

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves the door
wide open for an absence of resolution.

You didn't answer the question.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so favorably.

Academic, of no interest at this stage. I didn't even read that bit.


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t









Didn't look at the headers did you?

See the X-No Archive tag anywhere.... hmmm..?

You lose again... Mr Afraid-To-Post-Under-Your-True-Identity-
Hypocrite-Prickmeister!!!!




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"MINe 109" emitted :

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Bit obscure that, Stephen.. ;-)


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"Torresists" emitted :

**** all - wastes bandwidth due to being easily duped


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

So the test is on 'his' set-up, that of a magician
whose stock in trade is deceiving people by
use of mechanically tricked up equipment?

From: "Greg Williams"
Date: 8/17/2004 6:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000 prize to
the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti Stones and P.W.B.
Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if they can spot the same
differences under a controlled test environment as they did in their
published reviews. He sent an email to twelve reviewers. The link below
has details. This should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

-Greg









Funny thing is that Randi did once put a claim to the test of a reviewer from
The Absolute Sound. Guess what, Randi couldn't debunk the claim. Hmmm, I wonder
if any money was paid? I like what Randi does to some degree but lets face it,
no money will be paid regardless of the results. No one is making claims of the
paranormal. While I believe that any number of such tweeks don't really work,
no one is claiming they are magic. I predict any positive result will be
followed with an explination and no payment. Does that make me psychic?

Paul Dormer wrote:

"Torresists" emitted :

**** all - wastes bandwidth due to being easily duped


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t








I didn't read what he wrote - but I'll agree with you anyhow - based on his
prior posting history.



Bruce J. Richman

From: "Clyde Slick"
Date: 8/17/2004 9:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

So the test is on 'his' set-up, that of a magician
whose stock in trade is deceiving people by
use of mechanically tricked up equipment?


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the truth. But
ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of proof of paranormal
causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they hear any differences with
Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will exclude any tweak that affects the
signal in any measurable way.

Hello






Greg Williams wrote:



The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

-Greg


Please give some opinion about this challenge, tell why it is interesting.

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
...
"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an email
to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This should be
interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8


Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

This doesn't sound like a new challenge. IIRC Randi issued something
like this before,

He has the same award waiting for anyone who can prove any sort of psycic
ability in a controlled setting.

but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers.

Thereby exposing the "prey" for the fools and liars they are.

Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal.

Of course not, they'd be embarrassed. You don't have to be a scientist to
know that there are frauds and that science can expose them.

Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]


And a professional debunker of quackery.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

Then you agree that the 12 people he challenges are dorks?


I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

In exposing frauds like Gellar? Every time AFAIK.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Clyde Slick"
Date: 8/17/2004 9:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

So the test is on 'his' set-up, that of a magician
whose stock in trade is deceiving people by
use of mechanically tricked up equipment?


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But
ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of proof of paranormal
causes.

I don't see any mention of a requirement of anything paranormal, only proof
that the devices work as advertised.

It won't matter if anyone can prove they hear any differences with
Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will exclude any tweak that affects
the
signal in any measurable way.

Really? How does a Shakti Stone affect the signal?

"S888Wheel" wrote in message
...
From: "Clyde Slick"
Date: 8/17/2004 9:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"MINe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

So the test is on 'his' set-up, that of a magician
whose stock in trade is deceiving people by
use of mechanically tricked up equipment?


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But
ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of proof of paranormal
causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they hear any differences with
Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will exclude any tweak that affects
the
signal in any measurable way.

with a million doallars at stake, can one trust a magician, who
is one who has professional expertise in gizmos that conceal the truth?
If it were me, I would feel more comfortable in a more neutral
setup that he cannot manipulate.
Not that a double blind test means squat anyway, but also not
that I would in any way consider to buy those particular products.
I have no idea if they work or not, but my predisposition of belief is that
even if they do, the amounf of benefit would not be worth
the outrageous cost, and that I could make more meaningful
improvements to my system, for less money, by
concentrating on better equipment vs. tweaks.
If I would tweak anyhing, anyway, it would tend to be
my listening environment, not heavy rocks sitting on my equipment.

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

How does a Shakti Stone affect the signal?

It doesn't. I have never used one.


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S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

He has the same award waiting for anyone who can prove any sort of psycic
ability in a controlled setting.

Hello.

but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers.

Thereby exposing the "prey" for the fools and liars they are.

What?

Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal.

Of course not, they'd be embarrassed. You don't have to be a scientist to
know that there are frauds and that science can expose them.

Is that one of those catchphrases, like "You don't have to be mad to
work here.. but it helps!" I like those.

Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

And a professional debunker of quackery.

Through the power of... MAGIC!

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

Then you agree that the 12 people he challenges are dorks?

Ignored.

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

In exposing frauds like Gellar? Every time AFAIK.

He never closed the chapter on Gellar. Never *proved* he was a fraud.


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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false premises
(lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap trick, and
the repetitive nature with which you do this is self evident from your
posting history. It's the "How many times did you beat your wife?"
routine and it doesn't wash...

That's your cheap trick, Dormer.

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004
newsletter. If you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer,
please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

Dormer has no defense for his false claim, but he doesn't accept correction
either.

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for
his efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I
don't see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for
the cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape
artist.." www.randi.org

Weak, very weak.

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

Stupid and insulting, Dormer.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the cables I
sold.

Fancy cables are a scam from start to finish, and Dormer you're a scamster.

You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I did claim
magical properties for the cables.

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to promote
magic over science. For example, you once claimed that fancy connectors
improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB. That's not true - showing
that you were trying to promote your cables based on false science, AKA
Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

"Paul Dormer" wrote in message

"Torresists" emitted :



Date: 8/17/2004 10:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a
$1,000,000 prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises
of the Shakti Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil"
and "Red X Pen" if they can spot the same differences under a
controlled test environment as they did in their published
reviews. He sent an email to twelve reviewers. The link below
has details. This should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible
webpage on usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false
premises (lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap
trick, and the repetitive nature with which you do this is self
evident from your posting history. It's the "How many times did you
beat your wife?" routine and it doesn't wash...

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004
newsletter. If you've got more than your usual BS to offer
Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing
his prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy
for his efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of
science.. I don't see why anybody would want to volunteer to be
subjected to HIS conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal.
Except that is for the cash incentive - hardly the sign of an
impartial test. [Lest we forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by
trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and
escape artist.." www.randi.org

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork
would fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally
relating to the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the
cables I sold. You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I
did claim magical properties for the cables. Failure to do either
will demonstrate the hollowness of your transparent pathetic lie.
Naturally you won't do either, because you are unable to. You are
unable to break the habit of double talking with anybody you
consider an adversary.

Or... maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps, despite strong expectations to
the contrary, you CAN change after all these years? This is my
challenge to you: I am prepared to agree to a truce based on
mutually agreeable conditions (to be discussed). No ****ing about.
Now are *you* prepared to work toward ironing out differences?

it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

Zzzzzzzz..

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the
early 80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I
haven't seen any closure for his claims. How many times has he
been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves
the door wide open for an absence of resolution.

You didn't answer the question.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so
favorably.

Academic, of no interest at this stage. I didn't even read that bit.


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Didn't look at the headers did you?

See the X-No Archive tag anywhere.... hmmm..?

You lose again... Mr Afraid-To-Post-Under-Your-True-Identity-
Hypocrite-Prickmeister!!!!




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Where's the noarchive flag, Dormer? I checked several other posts Tor made
when you were ranting and raving about this, and found nothing.

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Typical butchering of a post to make it falsly appear that it says something
stupid. It's an outright lie, but very typical.

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of
proof of paranormal causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they
hear any differences with Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will
exclude any tweak that affects the signal in any measurable way.

You just contradicted yourself again, Scott. Are you so stupid that you
can't see how?

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: Paul Dormer
Date: 8/17/2004 10:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Arny Krueger" emitted :

The James Randi Educational Foundation has announced a $1,000,000
prize to the magazine reviewers who sung the praises of the Shakti
Stones and P.W.B. Electronics' "Electret Foil" and "Red X Pen" if
they can spot the same differences under a controlled test
environment as they did in their published reviews. He sent an
email to twelve reviewers. The link below has details. This
should be interesting.

http://www.randi.org/jr/080504string.html#8

Details:

Why are you copying the contents of this easily accessible webpage on
usenet, prick?

Why are you whining so agressively, my dear little child? ;-)

Why are you compelled to ask people questions involving false premises
(lies) multiple times every day of your life? It's a cheap trick, and
the repetitive nature with which you do this is self evident from your
posting history. It's the "How many times did you beat your wife?"
routine and it doesn't wash...

This doesn't sound like a new challenge.

It appears to have first been posted in Randi's 7/30/2004 newsletter. If
you've got more than your usual BS to offer Dormer, please post again.

http://www.randi.org/jr/073004an.html#3

IIRC Randi issued something
like this before, but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers. Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal. Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

"James Randi has an international reputation as a magician and escape
artist.." www.randi.org

I'm surprised you were totally and completely unaware of his lengthy
history as a professional magician.

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

As an erstwhile magic cable promoter,

That is a lie. I never claimed any magical properties for the cables I
sold. You may retract the lie, or attempt to prove that I did claim
magical properties for the cables. Failure to do either will
demonstrate the hollowness of your transparent pathetic lie. Naturally
you won't do either, because you are unable to. You are unable to
break the habit of double talking with anybody you consider an
adversary.

Or... maybe I'm mistaken. Perhaps, despite strong expectations to the
contrary, you CAN change after all these years? This is my challenge
to you: I am prepared to agree to a truce based on mutually agreeable
conditions (to be discussed). No ****ing about. Now are *you* prepared
to work toward ironing out differences?

it seems like PWB is right down your
alley, Dormer.

Zzzzzzzz..

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

His hypothesis are frequently negative hypothesis, no? That leaves the door
wide open for an absence of resolution.

You didn't answer the question.

I'm sure it gores your ox Dormer, to see ABX written up so favorably.

Academic, of no interest at this stage. I didn't even read that bit.


--
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Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: Paul Dormer
Date: 8/17/2004 11:09 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"MINe 109" emitted :

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Bit obscure that, Stephen.. ;-)


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: Paul Dormer
Date: 8/18/2004 2:18 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

How does a Shakti Stone affect the signal?

It doesn't. I have never used one.


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 8/18/2004 4:22 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of
proof of paranormal causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they
hear any differences with Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will
exclude any tweak that affects the signal in any measurable way.

You just contradicted yourself again, Scott. Are you so stupid that you
can't see how?

Give Wheeler a break, he's busy figuring out how to "alter" posts in the Google
archive. ;-)

"Torresists" wrote in message

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 8/18/2004 4:22 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of
proof of paranormal causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they
hear any differences with Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will
exclude any tweak that affects the signal in any measurable way.

You just contradicted yourself again, Scott. Are you so stupid that
you can't see how?

I guess I'll have to give Scott a badly needed clue - excluding any tweak
that affects the signal would be a cheat.

Give Wheeler a break, he's busy figuring out how to "alter" posts in
the Google archive. ;-)

Yes, he seems to want us to believe that he didn't write that post that
accuses Lionel of pedophilia. Pretty ironic given that he sued me for doing
the same thing, no?

It appears that this whole wacky band of nuts are beginning to unwind. They
are their own worst enemies.

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: Paul Dormer
Date: 8/18/2004 2:25 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Michael McKelvy" emitted :

He has the same award waiting for anyone who can prove any sort of psycic
ability in a controlled setting.

Hello.

but now he is presumably pro-actively chasing his
prey due to lack of volunteers.

Thereby exposing the "prey" for the fools and liars they are.

What?

Although I have some sympathy for his
efforts, Randi hardly represents the cornerstone of science.. I don't
see why anybody would want to volunteer to be subjected to HIS
conditions rather than a peer reviewed journal.

Of course not, they'd be embarrassed. You don't have to be a scientist to
know that there are frauds and that science can expose them.

Is that one of those catchphrases, like "You don't have to be mad to
work here.. but it helps!" I like those.

Except that is for the
cash incentive - hardly the sign of an impartial test. [Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

And a professional debunker of quackery.

Through the power of... MAGIC!

PWB Electronics is a joke.. the goods they sell (rarely I should
think) are pretty much self-acknowledged in the literature as a
manipulation of psychological bias. Nothing more. Only a dork would
fall head first into it and take PWB claims as literally relating to
the transmission of sound waves.

Then you agree that the 12 people he challenges are dorks?

Ignored.

I respect Randi, followed his expose of Uri Gellar back in the early
80's, but in that case, and others I've heard about, I haven't seen
any closure for his claims. How many times has he been successful?

In exposing frauds like Gellar? Every time AFAIK.

He never closed the chapter on Gellar. Never *proved* he was a fraud.


--
S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t

"Arny Krueger" a écrit dans le message de
...
"Torresists" wrote in message

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 8/18/2004 4:22 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of
proof of paranormal causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they
hear any differences with Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will
exclude any tweak that affects the signal in any measurable way.

You just contradicted yourself again, Scott. Are you so stupid that
you can't see how?

I guess I'll have to give Scott a badly needed clue - excluding any tweak
that affects the signal would be a cheat.

Give Wheeler a break, he's busy figuring out how to "alter" posts in
the Google archive. ;-)

Yes, he seems to want us to believe that he didn't write that post that
accuses Lionel of pedophilia. Pretty ironic given that he sued me for
doing
the same thing, no?

Coming from Scott Wheeler everything is possible :

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------
De :The Devil )
Objet : Microphones and microphone preamps
Groupes de discussion :rec.audio.opinion
Date :2004-07-19 11:19:08 PST

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father
was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he
is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't
email me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?

--
td
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------
This question has been put as Scott Wheeler was sueing you since September
2003...
Scott Wheeler humbly answered :

"He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel likes
to be
with Arny on the bottom of the pond."

It seems that Scott Wheelers answers to insults depends on the guy who is
insulting him. His suceptibility is with a "variable geometry"
Some of them are authorized to call (or suggest) him "pedophile" some
others not. ;-)

In fact Scott Wheeler is ready to suffer hazing, humiliations to be admitted
in RAO "Normals'" Club.
Watch how he is courting "The Devil" recently... Scott Wheeler hasn't any
*pride*.

It appears that this whole wacky band of nuts are beginning to unwind.
They
are their own worst enemies.

Who are you speaking about ?
George M. Middius ? Bruce J. Richman ? Scott Wheeler ? This tree of Morons
will never win a party, they are too stupidly conceited for that.

"Lionel" a écrit dans le message de
...
"Arny Krueger" a écrit dans le message de
...
"Torresists" wrote in message

Subject: One Million Dollar Audio Challenge
From: "Arny Krueger"
Date: 8/18/2004 4:22 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

"S888Wheel" wrote in message


I don't think Randi is out to cheat. I think he is interested in the
truth. But ultimately his challenge will boil down to payment of
proof of paranormal causes. It won't matter if anyone can prove they
hear any differences with Randi's challenge. I'll bet that he will
exclude any tweak that affects the signal in any measurable way.

You just contradicted yourself again, Scott. Are you so stupid that
you can't see how?

I guess I'll have to give Scott a badly needed clue - excluding any
tweak
that affects the signal would be a cheat.

Give Wheeler a break, he's busy figuring out how to "alter" posts in
the Google archive. ;-)

Yes, he seems to want us to believe that he didn't write that post that
accuses Lionel of pedophilia. Pretty ironic given that he sued me for
doing
the same thing, no?

Coming from Scott Wheeler everything is possible :

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
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De :The Devil )
Objet : Microphones and microphone preamps
Groupes de discussion :rec.audio.opinion
Date :2004-07-19 11:19:08 PST

On 19 Jul 2004 18:13:53 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:

Of course not. You heard if from Arny. He likes to tell those kinds of
lies
about people when he gets his panties in a bunch. I heard Lionel's father
was
sent to prison for ass raping Lionel and that is why Lionel is the way he
is.
Is that true? ;-) I heard it from Lionel. ;-) P.S. Lionel please don't
email me
with anymore sordid tales of your childhood. It's really a downer. :-(

Lionel is saying you're a paedophile. Is this true?

--
td
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
-------------
This question has been put as Scott Wheeler was sueing you since September
2003...
Scott Wheeler humbly answered :

"He is saying it. But of course I am not a pedophile. I guess Lionel likes
to be
with Arny on the bottom of the pond."

It seems that Scott Wheelers answers to insults depends on the guy who is
insulting him. His suceptibility is with a "variable geometry"
Some of them are authorized to call (or suggest) him "pedophile" some
others not. ;-)

In fact Scott Wheeler is ready to suffer hazing, humiliations to be
admitted
in RAO "Normals'" Club.
Watch how he is courting "The Devil" recently... Scott Wheeler hasn't any
*pride*.

It appears that this whole wacky band of nuts are beginning to unwind.
They
are their own worst enemies.

Who are you speaking about ?
George M. Middius ? Bruce J. Richman ? Scott Wheeler ? This tree of Morons
will never win a party, they are too stupidly conceited for that.

Ooops I forgot the inenarrable "Art Sackman", this old pederast. No big
trouble from him, he is just a false card in the game.

"Lionel" wrote in message


It appears that this whole wacky band of nuts are beginning to
unwind.

They
are their own worst enemies.

Who are you speaking about ?

The whole *Normals* clique.

George M. Middius ? Bruce J. Richman ? Scott Wheeler ? This tree of
Morons will never win a party, they are too stupidly conceited for
that.

Add Dormer, Stephen, Devil...

The word went out - the posse is back together again. Even Zelniker, the
only one with arguably a brain, is back.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Typical butchering of a post to make it falsly appear that it says something
stupid. It's an outright lie, but very typical.

Butchering? You disputed a single claim. The context is supplied by the
thread.

So now URLs lie to you too? The link is to Randi's bio, which includes
his work as the Amazing Randi, professional magician.

Isn't that what you wanted, or is this one of those nits you like to
pick? Make that two: any quote is really a lie, therefore you don't have
to respond; and is Randi onstage at this very moment?

To be fair, which you weren't, it is possible you wanted to challenge
more of the post but your demand for references was clumsily juxtaposed
to the magician bit. Too bad if you feel like you said something stupid
as a result.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:18:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to promote
magic over science. For example, you once claimed that fancy connectors
improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB. That's not true - showing
that you were trying to promote your cables based on false science, AKA
Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

So, let's see what Paul *really* wrote:

"I recently tested cables of varying quality. S/N ratio did appear to
consistently vary between the cables by 0.5db between best/worst. I
wonder if this has anything to do with the locking RCA's on the better
cables "

Where's the "claim"? Only claim I can see is that S/N ratio "appeared"
to consistently vary between some cables.

pooh bear, this is the kind of thing that Arnold Kreuger is despised
for here on RAO.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:18:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to
promote magic over science. For example, you once claimed that fancy
connectors improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB. That's
not true - showing that you were trying to promote your cables based
on false science, AKA Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

So, let's see what Paul *really* wrote:

"I recently tested cables of varying quality. S/N ratio did appear to
consistently vary between the cables by 0.5db between best/worst. I
wonder if this has anything to do with the locking RCA's on the better
cables "

Where's the "claim"?

In front of your nose, Weil.

Only claim I can see is that S/N ratio "appeared" to consistently vary
between some cables.

Bingo!

pooh bear, this is the kind of thing that Arnold Kreuger is despised for
here on RAO.

Pooh Bear no doubt knows that:

(1) 1/2 dB chance in a good system SNR is sonically meaningless. 1/2 dB
less than inaudible is still inaudible.

(2) In fact good cables don't vary by even 1/2 a dB.

How do I know this? I've probably made more detailed SNR measurements of
various kinds of audio equipment than a tiny minority of all the people who
have ever posted on RAO. This minority does not include Dormer, Weil,
Middius, Art, Marc, Scott, or Bruce or any of the other "Normals" who post
here frequently and vilely. The proof of this claim is in public view -
www.pcavtech.com .

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"MINe 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

[Lest we
forget, James Randi is a MAGICIAN by trade..]

References, please?

http://www.randi.org/jr/

Typical butchering of a post to make it falsly appear that it says
something stupid. It's an outright lie, but very typical.

Butchering?

Yes, I'm talking about the paragraph or more that you deleted Stephen.

You disputed a single claim.

Not that claim.

In fact I previously posted the URL of that web site.

The context is supplied by the thread.

You deleted most of it, and in particular the text immediately around it,
Stephen.

Who is more guilty of post-butchering, Middius, Dormer or you Stephen?

So now URLs lie to you too? The link is to Randi's bio, which includes
his work as the Amazing Randi, professional magician.

In fact I previously posted the URL of that web site. I quoted from it,
which Dormer took exception to.

Isn't that what you wanted, or is this one of those nits you like to
pick? Make that two: any quote is really a lie, therefore you don't
have to respond; and is Randi onstage at this very moment?

You're nuts, Stephen. You're free-associating. Come back as the Devil and
give us another one of your vile attempts at humor.

To be fair, which you weren't, it is possible you wanted to challenge
more of the post but your demand for references was clumsily
juxtaposed to the magician bit. Too bad if you feel like you said
something stupid as a result.

No, it was just another opportunity to catch you being deceptive, Stephen.
You've got to remember your strategy - Stephen is supposed to be the more
reasonable, personable one.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:18:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to
promote magic over science. For example, you once claimed that fancy
connectors improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB. That's
not true - showing that you were trying to promote your cables based
on false science, AKA Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

So, let's see what Paul *really* wrote:

"I recently tested cables of varying quality. S/N ratio did appear to
consistently vary between the cables by 0.5db between best/worst. I
wonder if this has anything to do with the locking RCA's on the better
cables "

Where's the "claim"?

In front of your nose, Weil.

Only claim I can see is that S/N ratio "appeared" to consistently vary
between some cables.

Bingo!

But that's not what you tried to attribute to Mr. Dormer, now *is* it?
You claimed that *he* claimed that it was due to "fancy connectors".
This is deceptive, which is why I think you only posted a link and not
the pertinent quote. Sorry to spoil your evil plan.

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:18:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to
promote magic over science. For example, you once claimed that
fancy connectors improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB.
That's not true - showing that you were trying to promote your
cables based on false science, AKA Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

So, let's see what Paul *really* wrote:

"I recently tested cables of varying quality. S/N ratio did appear
to consistently vary between the cables by 0.5db between
best/worst. I wonder if this has anything to do with the locking
RCA's on the better cables "

Where's the "claim"?

In front of your nose, Weil.

Only claim I can see is that S/N ratio "appeared" to consistently
vary between some cables.

Bingo!

But that's not what you tried to attribute to Mr. Dormer, now *is* it?
You claimed that *he* claimed that it was due to "fancy connectors".

What's unclear about "locking RCA's"?

This is deceptive, which is why I think you only posted a link and not
the pertinent quote. Sorry to spoil your evil plan.

Evil plan? Who is paranoid, now?

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:40:03 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:30:07 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"dave weil" wrote in message

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:18:33 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Your many false attacks on DBTs Dormer, are obviously intended to
promote magic over science. For example, you once claimed that
fancy connectors improved the dynamic range of cables by 0.5 dB.
That's not true - showing that you were trying to promote your
cables based on false science, AKA Magic.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=36...news.clara.net

So, let's see what Paul *really* wrote:

"I recently tested cables of varying quality. S/N ratio did appear
to consistently vary between the cables by 0.5db between
best/worst. I wonder if this has anything to do with the locking
RCA's on the better cables "

Where's the "claim"?

In front of your nose, Weil.

Only claim I can see is that S/N ratio "appeared" to consistently
vary between some cables.

Bingo!

But that's not what you tried to attribute to Mr. Dormer, now *is* it?
You claimed that *he* claimed that it was due to "fancy connectors".

What's unclear about "locking RCA's"?

What's unclear about the phrase "I wonder", followed by a , eh?

This is deceptive, which is why I think you only posted a link and not
the pertinent quote. Sorry to spoil your evil plan.

Evil plan? Who is paranoid, now?

Not me. Failure to note a nice case of hyperbole.