On 3/31/05 5:34 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

Does that mean you agree with me.

Probably, as long as in includes the concept that
yourself and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

On 3/31/05 6:14 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

I've had enough of your Bose misconceptions for a lifetime.

Indeed, ren, this whole thread echoes that in many ways and that's why it's
a Good Thing that you and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

On 3/31/05 6:16 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:
Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more
importantly ACCEPT REALITY.

Reality... Ahhh! Yes reality of keeping threads out of uninterested groups!
Reality that steers strongly towards you and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

On 3/31/05 6:19 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are

And really neither do folks on unassociated groups, which leaves many of us
wondering just why it's such an intellectual challenge for you and All you
guys gals and others, to
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERE it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

ren wrote:

BTW plastic boxes like bose uses
really do a poor job with the accelerometer testing of the cabinet
resonances. This greatly colors/distorts the signal you are listening to.



Hi ren,

I agree with your assertion on plastic boxes. In fact, I have a recent
experience and an interesting question about it.

A little history: I have a "high-end" two channel system situated in a
dedicated listening room, complete with sonus faber speakers, etc, and
am quite pleased with it. I recently purchased a 42" sony plasma tv, and
thought I should have *some* kind of home theater to go along with it.
The store I bought the TV from made me an HT offer hard to resist so I
went ahead and bought it also, without even auditioning. The HT system I
got consist of a yamaha dvd player, a ayamaha rxv 350 digital amp and a
yamaha speaker package, complete with a yamaha sub and all. I got all
this for the price of practically just the yamaha amp, some 300 euros,
so I am fine with it. The amp even claims to give some 160w dynamic
power to 2 ohms!

But when I set the whole thing up and gave a listen the sound was just
appalling with music. (Though better then the bose system I heard at the
same store, which completely *LOST* some of the sounds on my bueno vista
social club cd !!) For movies the sound these speakers impart is not
that bad, but still, bad. One can almost smell the the plastic when
these suckers play.

Here is the link for the whole package:
http://www.yamaha-audio.co.uk/avpack...0package%2070/


Here is the link for the speaker system:
http://www.yamaha-audio.co.uk/speake...kages/ns-p100/


Now my wife, she thinks that sound, music, etc, is good enough that you
can allocate a room to the whole concept, but she doesn't want big
speakers, all fove of them, or even noticable ones for that matter, in
the living room, where the TV is. She accepted the yamaha speaker system
as the satelites are tiny, etc, but I am having trouble accepting all
that plastic in the sound. I opened the speakers up (the front cloth was
glued so I practically damaged them and pried them open by force) and
saw that they are just empty plastic casing with the two elements
screwed on. Thus the question: If I stuff some kind of a damping
material, etc, in these buggers would I lose some of the plastic in the
sound? What material could this be? I showed the The Wife some good
looking KEF (though still, larger) satelites that would indeed sound
better but she is adamant about noticability and size. SO I have no
option but to try to do some DIY audio work and try to correct these
natural sound yamahas to sound remotely natural.

So to repeat the question : If I stuff some kind of a damping material,
etc, in these plastic buggers would I lose some of the plastic in the
sound? What material could this be?

Any help from you, or any other member of RAT would be much appreciated.

On 3/31/05 1:56 AM, in article , "John Brock"
wrote:

In article ,
SSJVCmag wrote:
On 3/30/05 10:02 PM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

Ren says enjoy your Bose

Ren and all you Kids, let's edit those crosspost headers.
It's Easy,
It's Fun
and it makes you smarter than the dolt who snuck so many unwanted
destinations in there!
Go for it!
Thanks!

Excuse me, but I don't understand your complaint.

It's easy. Folks slap on additional destination groups and since nobody
bothers to think, they;re never removed and these conversations start
streaming endlessly into places that aren;t interested in them and nobody at
all is responding to them.
-I- have no idea which groups WANT these threads so I just pass on a nice
mention of the problem to all of the ones that I don;t know about and figure
all the folks will take the second or so and fix it up.


Maybe I'm wrong.

Indeed on one level, but then we always want to fix simple mistakes or
misunderstandings:


But without some
sort of explanation you are just giving orders that you have no
way of enforcing!

Ahhhh there's your misunderstanding, I gave no orders, just a simple
heads-up for folks to take a look at a public annoyance that they most
likely were merely ignorant of having a part in, like pointing out to
somebody that their gas cap is open and they're leaking fuel on the road, or
their pants aren;t zipped up. No big deal to fix it. Something everybody
would want to do: Play Nice and all that.
Thanks

Fella wrote:
ren wrote:

BTW plastic boxes like bose uses

really do a poor job with the accelerometer testing of the cabinet
resonances. This greatly colors/distorts the signal you are listening
to.



Hi ren,

I agree with your assertion on plastic boxes. In fact, I have a recent
experience and an interesting question about it.

A little history: I have a "high-end" two channel system situated in a
dedicated listening room, complete with sonus faber speakers, etc, and
am quite pleased with it. I recently purchased a 42" sony plasma tv, and
thought I should have *some* kind of home theater to go along with it.
The store I bought the TV from made me an HT offer hard to resist so I
went ahead and bought it also, without even auditioning. The HT system I
got consist of a yamaha dvd player, a ayamaha rxv 350 digital amp and a
yamaha speaker package, complete with a yamaha sub and all. I got all
this for the price of practically just the yamaha amp, some 300 euros,
so I am fine with it. The amp even claims to give some 160w dynamic
power to 2 ohms!

But when I set the whole thing up and gave a listen the sound was just
appalling with music. (Though better then the bose system I heard at the
same store, which completely *LOST* some of the sounds on my bueno vista
social club cd !!) For movies the sound these speakers impart is not
that bad, but still, bad. One can almost smell the the plastic when
these suckers play.

Here is the link for the whole package:
http://www.yamaha-audio.co.uk/avpack...0package%2070/


Here is the link for the speaker system:
http://www.yamaha-audio.co.uk/speake...kages/ns-p100/


Now my wife, she thinks that sound, music, etc, is good enough that you
can allocate a room to the whole concept, but she doesn't want big
speakers, all fove of them, or even noticable ones for that matter, in
the living room, where the TV is. She accepted the yamaha speaker system
as the satelites are tiny, etc, but I am having trouble accepting all
that plastic in the sound. I opened the speakers up (the front cloth was
glued so I practically damaged them and pried them open by force) and
saw that they are just empty plastic casing with the two elements
screwed on. Thus the question: If I stuff some kind of a damping
material, etc, in these buggers would I lose some of the plastic in the
sound? What material could this be? I showed the The Wife some good
looking KEF (though still, larger) satelites that would indeed sound
better but she is adamant about noticability and size. SO I have no
option but to try to do some DIY audio work and try to correct these
natural sound yamahas to sound remotely natural.

So to repeat the question : If I stuff some kind of a damping material,
etc, in these plastic buggers would I lose some of the plastic in the
sound? What material could this be?

Any help from you, or any other member of RAT would be much appreciated.


I'm not the expert here but just stuffing fiberglass I don't think will
help. Maybe something like black hole 5 zalytron.com or the rubbery
stuff that madisound.com sells might help if you can attach it to the
inside walls it will dampen some of the resonances by thickening up the
speaker walls.

ren wrote:

I'm not the expert here but just stuffing fiberglass I don't think will
help. Maybe something like black hole 5 zalytron.com or the rubbery
stuff that madisound.com sells might help if you can attach it to the
inside walls it will dampen some of the resonances by thickening up the
speaker walls.

Ok, I was thinking along the same lines. I am actualy thinking of
stuffing large amounts of blue-tack, two-three packs per speaker, into
the buggers, plus some traditional dampening material...

SSJVCmag wrote:


Ahhhh there's your misunderstanding, I gave no orders, just a simple
heads-up for folks to take a look at a public annoyance ..

But seriously, no matter how noble, or nettiquetique, or whatever you
think your cause is, you yourself are becoming a publisc annoyance
trying to give heads-up on a publisc annoyance. YMMV. Ferrchrissakes,
just look at the amount ofposts you repeat yourself alone in this
thread. What you're doing is almost reaching proportions of spam-flame
wars, etc, so please, play nice, give it a rest.

Brian nospam@hotmail wrote:
RichA wrote:

Paradigm are garbage. Cheap componentry and the wattage handling
ratings are way too high. The produced a set of self-powered speakers
some years back. The components they used for the internal amps
weren't even fit for a sub-woofer and those parts which cost around
$12 per speaker effectively doubled the speaker price versus the
non-powered ones. When they bought Sonic Frontiers it was a black
day in audio.

OK Rich, what speakers would you recommend?

I'll say that while Paradigm has certainly made gear (like the Atom and
Titan) which fit Rich's description perfectly, they have also made some
decent speakers (like the Mini Mk III) as well. Not high end stuff by
any means, but good for the price.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 3/31/05 10:04 AM, in article ,
"Fella" wrote:

... seriously, no matter how noble, or nettiquetique, or whatever you
think your cause is, you yourself are becoming a publisc annoyance
trying to give heads-up on a publisc annoyance. YMMV.

Indeed.
First thanks for this posting now just streamlined back to a single group.
That's all it took.

So let me get this as you put it:
spreading garbage massively carelessly is dandy
a short-and-sweet request to clen it up is evil.

Hmmmm... Despite that for sheer content (the strings beng posted elsewhere
are an order of magnitude or better just in numbers and per-mesg-content is
absurd with just the massive needless reqoting content, then there's the
top-heavy signal/noise personal diatribe puerile name-calling content
issue...) I aint even in the running. I guess I can;t understand it.

Well, just so's you're comfy, and this ends, Last Time:
here;s hoping most of you who are still leaving an needless wake behind you
will just take a moment to deal (thanks for those who already have).
thanks

"Brian" wrote in message

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.


Hang on, One called 'Espirit' and thr other 'Phantion' doesn't sound like
much of a PAIR to me !


geoff

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 3/31/05 5:10 AM, in article ,
"Brian" wrote:

I'm not tone death or brain dead as you said.

Brian (again) and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

SSJVblaaablaaa

Whre are you reading it from where it's "not wanted" ? This may be the same
group that I'm reading it from where it then *is wanted* , if only because
of a morbid sense of curiosity....


geoff

"Brian" wrote in message

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

No, the #199 speakers are likly of a similar quality. Maybe the BOSE are a
little better,

geoff

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 3/31/05 4:45 AM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
wrote:

'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that.

Geof and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

Could you please clarify where in particular you don't want to see it ?
Because otherwise we are all guessing, even after you 20-or-so 'helpful
suggestion' [posts. Dumb, eh ?

geoff

On 3/31/05 3:19 PM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
wrote:

Could you please clarify where in particular you don't want to see it ?
Because otherwise we are all guessing, even after you 20-or-so 'helpful
suggestion' [posts. Dumb, eh ?

I think Peter Larson did the singularly clearest, most concise, formal,
pleasant and marvelously neutral explanation above in the
'BOSE can sound good in a small room' thread
----
article , "Peter Larsen"

----

I could not do it better, I could not do it AS WELL.

I hesitate to repost it under another thread title for concern of being
railed at for yet some other horrid perceived infraction. Maybe Peter might
do so if it makes any sort of sense.

Thanks again to all who have helped clean this up.

On 3/31/05 3:11 PM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
wrote:

Whre are you reading it from where it's "not wanted" ? This may be the same
group that I'm reading it from where it then *is wanted* , if only because
of a morbid sense of curiosity....

If it contains free-rambling opinion content, postin and readin it there in
rao is the right way to go about it. Otherwise the whole web would be One
Bug Group for Everyone. It's actual content places it in RAO and It thus
doesn;t belong in 'tech' or 'acoustics' any more than it belongs in
rec.soil.analysis.

Again I refer to Peter Larson's earlier very nice explanation of all this.

I really apologise. I meant to stop this several messages back.
Thanks you all.

Brian wrote:

I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE

This is entirely normal ! LOL


that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.

You're *sure* they were helpful ?


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.

I think that's a given actually. 4 inch speakers sound pretty rubbish even
in a car cabin.


The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.

Buy some decent speakers man !

I recently heard some of these and they are both compact and have a truly
awsome bass for their size plus a sonic transparency that beggars belief.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/index2.html


Graham

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0500, RichA wrote:

Paradigm are garbage.

Oh? IMO, they are very competitive in every price range they cover.
You really can't go too wrong with Paradigm.

Cheap componentry

Nonsense. Better than average, for any given price level.

and the wattage handling ratings are way too high.

No one with a clue puts any stock in wattage-handling ratings.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:32:08 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 3/31/05 6:19 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are

And really neither do folks on unassociated groups, which leaves many of us
wondering just why it's such an intellectual challenge for you and All you
guys gals and others, to
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERE it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Why don't you **** up a rope, you ******?

It seems to me that this discussion is on-topic in all the groups it's
in. If you feel otherwise, SAY which group you think is
inappropriate.

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.
I think I got the idea of facing the bass and sub woofer speaker at
the wall from a HiFi magazine.

This kind of thing was considered a neat idea back in the 50s, Brian !
Technology has moved on a teensy weensy bit since then !

Whatever you do - *don't* use most so-called 'hi-fi' magazines as a
reliable source of info. They're there to sell adverts - that's all.

You might try reading the pro-audio press but even that is getting
polluted by snake oil purveyors now.


Graham

Geoff Wood wrote:

'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.

In order to appreciate truly *deep bass* you actually have to have heard it !
Try a low organ pipe to rattle your innards ;-)

When you have, and I'm sure Brian hasn't, you know the difference !

One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make your
trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !


Graham

Brian wrote:

I don't mind being the student.
I have a thirst for knowledge.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone.

There's a good chance that you'll end up with some speakers that sound good then.

I'm 99.999% certain you won't choose Bose when you've experienced some real
alternatives.

You currently seem to be suckered by advertising though IMHO. And possibly lousy
dealers who want to pass off any old **** on you 'cos it means a quick buck for
them.


Graham

Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham

Brian wrote:

I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

And some are great for everything.

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

Why would anyone want to buy speakers there ?

I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.

Surprise ! I guess he gets better commission on them ! That's how it works.


Graham

Brian wrote:

I hope to try some B&W speakers soon.

B&W do at least have some technical integrity. You may or may not *like* the sound. Depends what
you're used to, to be honest.


Graham

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.

No, it means I think you are ignorant.

Al

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Al

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:21:44 +0100, Pooh Bear
wrote:

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive

Pooh Bear wrote:


Geoff Wood wrote:


One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make your
trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !


Graham

Could be useful on a hot day grin

Regards Brian

"Brian" wrote in message
...
Pooh Bear wrote:


Geoff Wood wrote:


One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make
your
trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !


Graham

Could be useful on a hot day grin

My KEF 105s make my trousers flap even at low volume. And not even just
with one note like BOSOs (even more-so in a corner). And there isn't a
'sub'. Or a satellite - but they do look like Daleks.

geoff

PS Hey folks - big joke - the local BOSO agents have opened a store that
sells *only* BOSO gear. So you can't compare it with anything that sounds
like the real thing !

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band
http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Uses Bose 901's atop his console?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

Uses Bose 901 atop his console next to a set of Yamaha NS-10?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

playon wrote:

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Probably need to contact the distributor for your country.

Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:
playon wrote:

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Probably need to contact the distributor for your country.

Graham

I don't know when you are, but I purchased mine from Calistro Music in
Connecticut (www.calistromusic.com), and was happy with the service and
price.

Small room - toilet ?

geoff

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0500, RichA wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.
The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.
The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
me without shouting.

So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.

I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
response was 45Hz.

Regards Brian


Paradigm are garbage. Cheap componentry and the wattage handling
ratings are way too high. The produced a set of self-powered speakers
some years back. The components they used for the internal amps
weren't even fit for a sub-woofer and those parts which cost around
$12 per speaker effectively doubled the speaker price versus the
non-powered ones. When they bought Sonic Frontiers it was a black
day in audio.
-Rich


I can't disagree about Paradigm's electronic faux pas, but as a dealer
of their speakers for many year as well as most of the higher end
British and American brands, I can say they compare very favorably to
other speaker lines in the same price ranges. Their drivers appeared
to be modified Vifa designs and their crossovers only failed when they
were severely overdriven. I replaced my Spendor speakers with a
pair of bipolar Paradigms and I haven't regretted the decision.

Geoff Wood wrote:

Small room - toilet ?

He was referring to PMC speakers, *not* Bose - an *entirely* different
quality of product altogether !

e.g.

IB-1S
Passive Monitors

Transmission-line design with 10 inch flat carbon fiber woofer, 3-inch
silk-dome midrange and 1-inch silk-dome tweeter.

3 pair binding-post inputs. Magnetic shielding, studio stands and
amplifier optional.

Power handling up to 500 W; crossover point 380 Hz and 3.8 kHz; FR 25
Hz-25 kHz; sens 89 dB SPL/W/m; imp 4 ohms. 13 x 29 1/8 x 13 3/8 inches;
80 Lbs


http://www.calistromusic.com and click on the manufacturers list.


Graham

Good call...when I redesign my mastering room, PMC's are going in...

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
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Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used
by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction.
Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham