For those with any interest in this matter,

My original interest in Ken's ad for the Tannoy System 10 Speakers was
piqued by the mention of "STEREOPHILE CLASS B" in the subject. I did recall
a mention of one of the Tannoy models in an earlier issue of STEREOPHILE (I
have been a reader since the first issue and a subscriber for over 25 years)
and thought at the time that they may be worth considering except for their
relatively high price. When I saw that the link to the recomendation in
Ken's ad was for the version II but there was no mention of a version II in
Ken's ad, I thought that Ken may have merely neglected to include the
version II designation or that there was in fact only one version ( I
dismissed the possibility that the link was furnished only to give more
detail about the speakers as he seemed to be relying on the Stereophile
recommendation to enhance the desireability of the speakers and the link
only led to the recommendation - not a description). I did try to find the
actual review in one of my back issues of Stereophile and did see that the
DMT II's were included in the recommended components issue of October '97
but the actual review was from Stereophile's sister magazine "Stereophile
Guide to Home Theater" so I couldn't read the full review to see if there
was a mention of the earlier version. As my experience with Stereopile
suggests that version upgrades require a new evaluation of a reviewed and
recommended component, I felt that it was appropriate to investigate this
discrepancy.

A brief history of the conflict follows:

Excerpt from Ken's original post and my reply in PRIVATE email (note that
"STEREOPHILE CLASS B" is prominantly noted in the subject):

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Drescher"
Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: TANNOY System 10 Speakers, STEREOPHILE CLASS B


- Tannoy System 10 Studio Monitor system, $850 pr. plus shipping
-
- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html

My reply via private email:

-The above review is for a 10 DMT II

From Ken's post:

- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11

And my reply via the same private email:

-The Stereophile Recommendation is also for a 10 DMT II

-I don't know if there are two versions, a 10 DMT and a 10 DMT II, but if
-there are two versions and yours are not the 10 DMT II version, you may
want
-to modify your ad to exclude the above links. Might be an invitation to
-considerable abuse by certain individuals.
-
-John

I don't know whether Ken received the above reply. I then did a google
search to satisfy my own curiosity and found a link which clearly indicates
that there were two distinct "versions" of the speaker. I emailed Ken again
via PRIVATE email with the link as follows:

Again from Ken's post:

- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html
-
- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11

And my reply via a second private email:

-As I emailed you before, these references are for the System 10 DMT II. If
-you check this link
- http://www.tannoyna.com/professional.../timeline.html , you will see
-that there are two models - System 10 DMT and the newer System 10 DMT II.
-Since you did not correct your ad, is it safe to assume you have the newer
-System 10 DMT II?
-
-John

When I got no response and there was no clarification posted, I posted a
reply to his ad asking which model he was selling:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- Tannoy System 10 Studio Monitor system, $850 pr. plus shipping
-
- 10" Dual Concentric Driver. Used in several stuidios throughout the
world
- (just do a search in Google.com).
-
- Excellent condition, fully functional. Email for image.
-
- Additional info below:
-
- Tannoy website:
-
- http://www.tannoyna.com/professional...stem10DMT.html
-
- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html
-
- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11
-
- Official Orion Blue Book Report. Audio SPK Thursday, August 21, 2003 TANN
- SYSTEM 10 DMT Retail BEST $1100 Retail BETTER $950 Retail FAIR-Good $800
-
-Ken, are the speakers you are selling the 10 DMT or the 10 DMT II?
-
-John

Ken responded that the speakers he was selling were the DMT's so I GENTLY
suggested that he clarify the discrepancy between his links and the speakers
he is selling:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- Ken, are the speakers you are selling the 10 DMT or the 10 DMT II?
-
- John
-
-
- These are the Tannoy System 10 DMT's
-
-The review links you posted are for the Tannoy System 10 DMT II's. Perhaps
-you should clarify this to your customers.
-
-John

There was still no clarification that I could see, but in the meantime Ken
posted an ad with a link to his home page:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- One click away. With images and descriptions. Best selection ever.
-
- http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.html
- Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a,
-Used
- Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL,
-Technics,
- Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction
- Guaranteed since 1995.
-

The description of the Tannoys still contained the suspicious links so I
posted the following reply which appears to be the one that upset Ken and a
few other group members:


-Caution! Be aware that in the description of the Tannoy System 10 DMT
-speakers, the links provided by Mr. Drescher to a Stereophile
Recommendation
-and a favorable Innerear review are for the later version System 10 DMT II,
-NOT the earlier System 10 DMT that this dealer is selling. Mr. Drescher is
-aware of this inconsistency but apparently does not see a problem.
-
-John

If you will notice, I made no malicious statements in any of my emails or
posts. The above post merely attempts to clarify the descrepancy between
the speakers for sale and the links which, to me, is significant. The last
sentence of my preceding reply:

"Mr. Drescher is aware of this inconsistency but apparently does not see a
problem."

may be interpreted as a "slam" but based on an excerpt from Ken's reply:

"Both the review and the Recommended list clearly indicate the System 10 II
which is like the System
10. I can't even find a distinction between the two systems on the Tannoy
web
page."

I have to conclude that because Ken feels that the DMT 10 is "LIKE" the DMT
10 II and he can't find a distinction on the Tannoy web page, he believes
that any reviews or descriptions of the later version apply to the earlier
version in which case he is confirming the fact that he "does not see a
problem".

As for the actual difference between the two models, I am not stating that
there is a significant difference. I am only suggesting "caution" in
putting much weight in the reviews and recommendation. My experience with
Stereophile is that they do not group all versions of a particular model
under one review because they assume (and usually find) that a significant
design change is involved when a new version is introduced. Yes, it is
possible that a new version may be introduced simply to allow the marketing
people to claim "new and improved", but it is also possible (and more
likely) that the performance of the newer version was improved through
redesign of the driver, the crossover and/or the cabinet. Until it is
verified that the new version is identical in performance to the old
version, it would not be appropriate, in my opinion, to apply a
recommendation for the newer version to the older version.

I do apologize to Ken for any misunderstandings caused by my inability to
receive private emails. I am still not aware of the reson for Ken's emails
bouncing. I did install a new router recently which I thought was
transparent to my email but perhaps not - I will look into it. Perhaps if
Ken's emails to me were not bounced, this issue might have been resolved
without my postings to the group.

I also apologize to the group. Apparently many of you don't see the review
and recommendation descrepancy as a problem and inerpreted my intervention
as an assault on Ken. That was not my intention.

Please note that I made NO personal attacks on ANYONE nor did I "slam"
anyone and I have NO interest in getting into a ****ing match with ANYONE.

Regards
John

Sorry for the double post - it appeared that the first one didn't complete.

John

HE'S A SCAMMER. READ THE FACTS! ALL HIS ADS ARE INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING
NONSENSE.

Here's the recent SPAMMED AD from Drescherdumpster.com. Look how long this
crap has been sitting in his garage, rotting away. Surely not selling!

... rotting away ... what does that mean ? ... sitting in his garage?
... what else would it be doing ? recording & playing back ... as intended ...
... no doubt ... it will sell ..

Clearly, the group has voted DRESCHERDUMPSTER the biggest used-audio
charlatan on the internet! Congrats, Kennie!

.... a vote of one ... congrats !!

"OFFICIAL BRIAN L. MCCARTY REFERENCE VALUATION" wrote
in message ws.com...
On 27/8/03 10:11, in article
, "unc80"
wrote:

Amen.. Drescher is a F***ing ripoff. He bought my Marantz 4270
reciever from me a couple of years ago, from this newsgroup, then a
couple of weeks later, he was advertising it on same newsgroup for
DOUBLE the price he paid me... I wouldn't buy squat from this guy!!!!


Sure he was ADVERTISING it, but it's still sitting in his garage.

NO ONE is buying Brian's scams from this poor pathetic sub-human.

Read about him here!

It's obvious that WorldJAZZ (http://www.worldjazz.com) is a
nonperforming non-asset, simply an invitation for the gullible to lose
money.

Coral Sea Studios, on the other hand, which McCarty (author of the above
post) also maintains, has already sunk beneath the waves. The project is
officially dead.

Brian, why do you keep around a zombie website?

Surely no business partners for Brian L. McCarty!

"WorldJAZZ
JAZZ MUSIC TELEVISION
S
NATIONAL CABLE
COMING SOON!
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
DAILY JAZZ PROGRAMMING TO BE SUPPLIED BY WORLDJAZZ
TO MOSCOW CENTRAL TV BEGINNING OCTOBER 2003"

Whoops! The above appears to be a pack of lies from the "WorldJAZZ" website,
http://www.worldjazz.com. Moscow Central TV is being informed about this
travesty.

The website goes on to say,
"has been named OFFICIAL CO-SPONSOR of the
2003 Jersey Jazz Bass Festival

SEPTEMBER 26-28 2003
SPECIAL GUEST: PETER THLIVEROSKI
WorldJAZZ will be presenting a technical paper

But there is no "Jersey Jazz Bass Festival" ! It's a complete fiction! There
IS a fishing tournament called the "Jersey Bass Festival".
And there's no "PETER THLIVEROSKI". It's a play on the name of Peter
Thliveros, a sports fisherman.

Lying is Brian's vocation. WorldJAZZ.com is built on the principle of the
"Big Lie", first enunciated by Joseph Goebbels.
Unfortunately, Brian doesn't know when to stop.
The fact of his lying on rec.audio.marketplace results in his constant
exposure on Google, which drives away the very suckers he would like to get
for WorldJAZZ.
We help this process of awareness along with a very active information
program.

Bluebook Value of Coral Sea Studios = MINUS $270,000.
Bluebook Value of WorldJAZZ Scam = Less Than Zero, precise numbers are under
INVESTIGATION.

The Face Behind the Mask:Scammer Brian L. McCarty, Moscow Central TV, David
C.L. Feng, David Ellison,
Ying Hong Huang, Lee Hodges, Anthony Ramallo, Melinda Hsu, Melinda Shu
80 Raffles Place, Coral Sea Studios, WorldJazz, Enron, K1 Ventures,
Trinity Beach, Cairns, Australia, Boomerang

http://www.studentsandthelaw.org/McCarty/Brian.jpg


The Voice Behind the Curtain:

http://www.studentsandthelaw.org/McC...arty_voice.wav

McCarty had an early scheme for Internet radio. He claims to have sold
musical performance properties and/or a business plan to Black Entertainment
Television for $9.2M. Subsequently, he left Los Angeles. One unsubstantiated
rumor is that he left to avoid prosecution for a sex crime, presumably by
paying off the victim or family. Once in Australia, he made the acquaintance
of the brother of P.M. John Howard, who introduced him to contacts at ABN
Amro, an investment banking firm. They created a business plan for some kind
of a sound studio, still represented by the website
http://www.coralseastudios.com. After approximately a year, ABN withdrew
from partnership, but left the studio project still solvent. Some time
later, it went bankrupt or nearly so, owing $270,000 to it's employees. At
this point, Australia's entitlement law kicked in, paying the employees
monies owed them, with the exception of codirectors McCarty and Jeff Wexler.

It would appear that McCarty's enterprises failed because he has some kind
of mental imbalance, which exhibits signs of both schizophrenia and
obsessive-compulsive disorder. The impersonations which he makes of me are
a fraction of the numerous identities which he has used in the past, and
continues to use, on occasion, in the present. McCarty may actually believe
he is the person who he impersonates. Many of the identities are of
elaborate construction, taking some six months or more to take shape.
McCarty seems to have a magical belief that use of false identities provides
a shield.

Since his business failure, McCarty has tried to obtain new financing. These
methods characteristically rely on false identities and false business
fronts. His domain registrations are in the names of nonexistent people, and
his websites advertise nonexistent associations and companies, frequently by
theft of trademark. For example, my name, Robert Morein, was used as a
fictitious endorsement on his website http://www.coraseastudios.com. Since
he was caught some three months ago claiming to be a producer for a
syndicated jazz music program, his name has not appeared publicly on any of
his business enterprises.

McCarty is currently attempting to revive his Internet radio scheme,
WorldJAZZ, under the name http://www.worldjazz.com. This webpage currently
consists completely of false associations and endorsements. There is no
"Jersey Jazz Bass Festival", and "Peter Thliveroski" is a modification of
"Peter Thliveros", a sports bass fisherman!

McCarty has certain bizarre beliefs regarding the pricing of used audio
equipment appearing on rec.audio.marketplace. He refers constantly to a book
known as the "Orion Bluebook", which reports surveys of audio dealers for
prices they paid for used equipment, and prices at which sold. Anyone who
advertises on rec.audio.marketplace with prices in excess of the "wholesale
average condition" price is subject to attack by McCarty, who does so with
the vigor of the Red Brigades. Tactics he has employed against victims are
the filing of false crime reports with local police departments alleging
that the seller deals in stolen goods and alleged zoning violations.

Anyone can become a McCarty victim by disagreeing with him in a public
forum. In the past, consequences have been virus attacks, email bomb
attacks, defamatory postings, and chronic impersonation. All this is
contradictory to McCarty's apparent goal of obtaining finance for his
business projects. An intelligent scammer works quietly, while McCarty may
be the best known scammer of all time.

McCarty is 49 years old, and appears to be ill, requiring intermittent
hospital care. He apparently lacks mobility. It is possible that this
contributes to his mental imbalance.

Among McCarty's aliases, we have: Anthony Ramallo, David Ellison, David C.L.
Feng, Ying Hong Huang, Lee Hodges, Melinda Hsu, Melinda Shu, Robert Morein,
Robert X Morein, Sylvan Morein, Sylvan X Morein, et al.

John,

I agree we might have avoided all this if I had received your emails (I didn't)
and you could have received my responses (they all bounced back).

I appreciate your comments below and feel you did have good intentions that
escalated out of control due to miscommunications.

I say we get back to what this group is all about - buying and selling
interesting used audio.

I consider this discussion closed.

Ken



For those with any interest in this matter,

My original interest in Ken's ad for the Tannoy System 10 Speakers was
piqued by the mention of "STEREOPHILE CLASS B" in the subject. I did recall
a mention of one of the Tannoy models in an earlier issue of STEREOPHILE (I
have been a reader since the first issue and a subscriber for over 25 years)
and thought at the time that they may be worth considering except for their
relatively high price. When I saw that the link to the recomendation in
Ken's ad was for the version II but there was no mention of a version II in
Ken's ad, I thought that Ken may have merely neglected to include the
version II designation or that there was in fact only one version ( I
dismissed the possibility that the link was furnished only to give more
detail about the speakers as he seemed to be relying on the Stereophile
recommendation to enhance the desireability of the speakers and the link
only led to the recommendation - not a description). I did try to find the
actual review in one of my back issues of Stereophile and did see that the
DMT II's were included in the recommended components issue of October '97
but the actual review was from Stereophile's sister magazine "Stereophile
Guide to Home Theater" so I couldn't read the full review to see if there
was a mention of the earlier version. As my experience with Stereopile
suggests that version upgrades require a new evaluation of a reviewed and
recommended component, I felt that it was appropriate to investigate this
discrepancy.

A brief history of the conflict follows:

Excerpt from Ken's original post and my reply in PRIVATE email (note that
"STEREOPHILE CLASS B" is prominantly noted in the subject):

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Drescher"
Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: TANNOY System 10 Speakers, STEREOPHILE CLASS B


- Tannoy System 10 Studio Monitor system, $850 pr. plus shipping
-
- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html

My reply via private email:

-The above review is for a 10 DMT II

From Ken's post:

- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11

And my reply via the same private email:

-The Stereophile Recommendation is also for a 10 DMT II

-I don't know if there are two versions, a 10 DMT and a 10 DMT II, but if
-there are two versions and yours are not the 10 DMT II version, you may
want
-to modify your ad to exclude the above links. Might be an invitation to
-considerable abuse by certain individuals.
-
-John

I don't know whether Ken received the above reply. I then did a google
search to satisfy my own curiosity and found a link which clearly indicates
that there were two distinct "versions" of the speaker. I emailed Ken again
via PRIVATE email with the link as follows:

Again from Ken's post:

- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html
-
- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11

And my reply via a second private email:

-As I emailed you before, these references are for the System 10 DMT II. If
-you check this link
- http://www.tannoyna.com/professional.../timeline.html , you will see
-that there are two models - System 10 DMT and the newer System 10 DMT II.
-Since you did not correct your ad, is it safe to assume you have the newer
-System 10 DMT II?
-
-John

When I got no response and there was no clarification posted, I posted a
reply to his ad asking which model he was selling:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- Tannoy System 10 Studio Monitor system, $850 pr. plus shipping
-
- 10" Dual Concentric Driver. Used in several stuidios throughout the
world
- (just do a search in Google.com).
-
- Excellent condition, fully functional. Email for image.
-
- Additional info below:
-
- Tannoy website:
-
- http://www.tannoyna.com/professional...stem10DMT.html
-
- Review: http://www.innerear.on.ca/electronic...rs/tannoy.html
-
- Stereophile Recommended 1997:
- http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~axiom13/reccom97.htm#11
-
- Official Orion Blue Book Report. Audio SPK Thursday, August 21, 2003 TANN
- SYSTEM 10 DMT Retail BEST $1100 Retail BETTER $950 Retail FAIR-Good $800
-
-Ken, are the speakers you are selling the 10 DMT or the 10 DMT II?
-
-John

Ken responded that the speakers he was selling were the DMT's so I GENTLY
suggested that he clarify the discrepancy between his links and the speakers
he is selling:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- Ken, are the speakers you are selling the 10 DMT or the 10 DMT II?
-
- John
-
-
- These are the Tannoy System 10 DMT's
-
-The review links you posted are for the Tannoy System 10 DMT II's. Perhaps
-you should clarify this to your customers.
-
-John

There was still no clarification that I could see, but in the meantime Ken
posted an ad with a link to his home page:

-"Ken Drescher" wrote in message
- ...
- One click away. With images and descriptions. Best selection ever.
-
- http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.html
-
audio.net,
-Used
- Audio Shop
Brands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL,
-Technics,
- Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.
100% Customer Satisfaction
- Guaranteed since 1995.
-

The description of the Tannoys still contained the suspicious links so I
posted the following reply which appears to be the one that upset Ken and a
few other group members:


-Caution! Be aware that in the description of the Tannoy System 10 DMT
-speakers, the links provided by Mr. Drescher to a Stereophile
Recommendation
-and a favorable Innerear review are for the later version System 10 DMT II,
-NOT the earlier System 10 DMT that this dealer is selling. Mr. Drescher is
-aware of this inconsistency but apparently does not see a problem.
-
-John

If you will notice, I made no malicious statements in any of my emails or
posts. The above post merely attempts to clarify the descrepancy between
the speakers for sale and the links which, to me, is significant. The last
sentence of my preceding reply:

"Mr. Drescher is aware of this inconsistency but apparently does not see a
problem."

may be interpreted as a "slam" but based on an excerpt from Ken's reply:

"Both the review and the Recommended list clearly indicate the System 10 II
which is like the System
10. I can't even find a distinction between the two systems on the Tannoy
web
page."

I have to conclude that because Ken feels that the DMT 10 is "LIKE" the DMT
10 II and he can't find a distinction on the Tannoy web page, he believes
that any reviews or descriptions of the later version apply to the earlier
version in which case he is confirming the fact that he "does not see a
problem".

As for the actual difference between the two models, I am not stating that
there is a significant difference. I am only suggesting "caution" in
putting much weight in the reviews and recommendation. My experience with
Stereophile is that they do not group all versions of a particular model
under one review because they assume (and usually find) that a significant
design change is involved when a new version is introduced. Yes, it is
possible that a new version may be introduced simply to allow the marketing
people to claim "new and improved", but it is also possible (and more
likely) that the performance of the newer version was improved through
redesign of the driver, the crossover and/or the cabinet. Until it is
verified that the new version is identical in performance to the old
version, it would not be appropriate, in my opinion, to apply a
recommendation for the newer version to the older version.

I do apologize to Ken for any misunderstandings caused by my inability to
receive private emails. I am still not aware of the reson for Ken's emails
bouncing. I did install a new router recently which I thought was
transparent to my email but perhaps not - I will look into it. Perhaps if
Ken's emails to me were not bounced, this issue might have been resolved
without my postings to the group.

I also apologize to the group. Apparently many of you don't see the review
and recommendation descrepancy as a problem and inerpreted my intervention
as an assault on Ken. That was not my intention.

Please note that I made NO personal attacks on ANYONE nor did I "slam"
anyone and I have NO interest in getting into a ****ing match with ANYONE.

Regards
John





Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used
Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics,
Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction
Guaranteed since 1995.

unc80 wrote:
Amen.. Drescher is a F***ing ripoff. He bought my Marantz 4270
reciever from me a couple of years ago, from this newsgroup, then a
couple of weeks later, he was advertising it on same newsgroup for
DOUBLE the price he paid me... I wouldn't buy squat from this guy!!!!


Assuming that is a true story, I tmeans you apparently did not
ask enough money for it.

I checked my entire database and never owned a 4270. More BS, probably from
another BM sockpuppet.

There is no usenet post from me either for this model. Total lies...check
yourself.


unc80 wrote:
Amen.. Drescher is a F***ing ripoff. He bought my Marantz 4270
reciever from me a couple of years ago, from this newsgroup, then a
couple of weeks later, he was advertising it on same newsgroup for
DOUBLE the price he paid me... I wouldn't buy squat from this guy!!!!


Assuming that is a true story, I tmeans you apparently did not
ask enough money for it.



Pa href=http://members.aol.com/KDresch/audio.net.htmlaudio.net/a, Used
Audio ShopPBrands: Marantz, Pioneer, Kenwood, Advent, Apt, JBL, Technics,
Magnepan, Harman Kardon, AR and many others.P100% Customer Satisfaction
Guaranteed since 1995.