[JBI]

Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202. While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors. Recommendations?

[[email protected]]

Sighhhhhh.. This again!

If your monitor speaker setup ISN'T in
your car it will never be able to recreate
that exact acoustic environment.

Unless you buy a second car identical
in year, make, model, and trim level to
yours, then, install the monitoring &
mastering suite *in that duplicate
vehicle*. Then you can mix and master
away and be able to create masters
that will sound terrific in your daily
driver and sound like shyte anywhere
else on Earth you play them back over.

!...

[JBI]

On 03/09/2018 02:54 PM, wrote:
Sighhhhhh.. This again!

If your monitor speaker setup ISN'T in
your car it will never be able to recreate
that exact acoustic environment.

Unless you buy a second car identical
in year, make, model, and trim level to
yours, then, install the monitoring &
mastering suite *in that duplicate
vehicle*. Then you can mix and master
away and be able to create masters
that will sound terrific in your daily
driver and sound like shyte anywhere
else on Earth you play them back over.

!...


I thought the whole point of getting this set up and mixing with
monitors in the house was so that mixes would sound better on anything,
not just in the car! Correct me if I'm wrong....

Only one reverb so far has been passable, and that was a convolution
reverb with very gentle settings. It actually sound worse on the
monitors, but better in the car. Perhaps I'll have to go back to that
but it's a darned shame that the current reverb sounds like crap in the
auto as it really sounds good on these new monitors. Oh well.....

[John Williamson]

On 09/03/2018 20:37, JBI wrote:

I thought the whole point of getting this set up and mixing with
monitors in the house was so that mixes would sound better on anything,
not just in the car!Â* Correct me if I'm wrong....

Only one reverb so far has been passable, and that was a convolution
reverb with very gentle settings.Â* It actually sound worse on the
monitors, but better in the car.Â* Perhaps I'll have to go back to that
but it's a darned shame that the current reverb sounds like crap in the
auto as it really sounds good on these new monitors.Â* Oh well.....

Part of the problem may be that you are not used to your new system yet,
another is that reverb generally sounds better is if it used in small
doses, especially if you are adding it to material that already has some
reverb or room tone in the source.

Another point is that when monitoring,it's recommended that you install
sound deadening pads at the reflection points between your ears and the
speakers, say on the ceiling and desktop,and that your head and the
speakers fall at the points of an equilateral triangle.

There is another way, of course, which is to get a better quality system
installed in the car and set up to sound as good as the environment
permits. Decent door speakers, and a decent quality subwooofer, set not
to overpower the others is one way I've had success with.
--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[JBI]

On 03/09/2018 03:57 PM, John Williamson wrote:
On 09/03/2018 20:37, JBI wrote:

I thought the whole point of getting this set up and mixing with
monitors in the house was so that mixes would sound better on
anything, not just in the car!Â* Correct me if I'm wrong....

Only one reverb so far has been passable, and that was a convolution
reverb with very gentle settings.Â* It actually sound worse on the
monitors, but better in the car.Â* Perhaps I'll have to go back to that
but it's a darned shame that the current reverb sounds like crap in
the auto as it really sounds good on these new monitors.Â* Oh well.....

Part of the problem may be that you are not used to your new system yet,
another is that reverb generally sounds better is if it used in small
doses, especially if you are adding it to material that already has some
reverb or room tone in the source.

Yes, I've noticed that (reverb only in small doses). I also have better
luck allocating it only to certain frequencies and not to all of them,
plus adding some random variance with automation. Oh well, I'll have to
retry. There is no longer noise issues in the car since using the
ground loop filter I built, so I may give it another go in the car just
temporarily as I don't want to start doing everything in the car once again!


Another point is that when monitoring,it's recommended that you install
sound deadening pads at the reflection points between your ears and the
speakers, say on the ceiling and desktop,and that your head and the
speakers fall at the points of an equilateral triangle.

The triangle is already established, but I've been a bit concerned as
the monitors are are further away than I had hoped (roughly 5 feet away
for each one). I suppose some extra reverb could creep in over that
distance.


There is another way, of course, which is to get a better quality system
installed in the car and set up to sound as good as the environment
permits. Decent door speakers, and a decent quality subwooofer, set not
to overpower the others is one way I've had success with.

With this old hunk of a car that I have, it's not worth it. About the
most I tried recently was modifying the radio harness wires to add an
external auxiliary input since I've been using a cassette adapter for
years. While the modification worked, I was left with only about half
of the volume I could obtain with the adapter. Solution was either a
stronger amp or just keep what I have and I chose the latter.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/9/2018 2:43 PM, JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202.Â* While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors.Â* Recommendations?

What, specifically, are the problems with reverb and stereo panning when
listening in the car?

I suspect that the real problem is that reflections in your room are
changing what's coming out of reasonably accurate monitors, so in your
room, you aren't really hearing what you paid for. One cheap trick is to
mix using the speakers, then check your mix on headphones. Headphones
aren't good for mixing, but they're closer to representing what car
audio sounds like than a small, untreated room, so you can use them to
decide if your panning is where you want it, and if you have too much or
too little reverb.

Also, make sure that your car radio isn't applying some signal
processing. Lots of car radios, even going back 15 years or more, have
presets for jazz, classical, pop, dance, etc. One of those might be
selected and you don't know it or don't remember engaging it.

Room reflections can affect stereo imaging, reverberation, and frequency
response. Getting the speakers close to you (5 feet is too far to be
considered "near field" in a small room) lets you hear more of the
speakers and less of the room, which will get you closer to the right
track.

There are some pretty good articles at
http://www.gikacoustics.com/articles/ that might help. Start out using
their guide to speaker placement (but of course they want you to buy
their room treatment materials in the end). Move some furniture if you
need to. Improvise speaker stands from a stack of concrete "cinder
blocks." $15 at Home Depot plus an afternoon's work might get your
mixes to travel a bit better.


--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[JBI]

On 03/09/2018 06:14 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/9/2018 2:43 PM, JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202.Â* While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors.Â* Recommendations?

What, specifically, are the problems with reverb and stereo panning when
listening in the car?

You know what, I think it has to do with the volume in the car as well
as the placement of my head and/or stereo balance between speakers.


I suspect that the real problem is that reflections in your room are
changing what's coming out of reasonably accurate monitors, so in your
room, you aren't really hearing what you paid for. One cheap trick is to
mix using the speakers, then check your mix on headphones. Headphones
aren't good for mixing, but they're closer to representing what car
audio sounds like than a small, untreated room, so you can use them to
decide if your panning is where you want it, and if you have too much or
too little reverb.

Thanks, I'll give the headphones a try the next time around.


Also, make sure that your car radio isn't applying some signal
processing. Lots of car radios, even going back 15 years or more, have
presets for jazz, classical, pop, dance, etc. One of those might be
selected and you don't know it or don't remember engaging it.

I'm almost certain it does have some sort of compression or limiting,
but I've never known it to have presets for anything; very old radio, in
fact it's the stock radio in the 2000 Taurus.

Room reflections can affect stereo imaging, reverberation, and frequency
response. Getting the speakers close to you (5 feet is too far to be
considered "near field" in a small room) lets you hear more of the
speakers and less of the room, which will get you closer to the right
track.

I figured 5 feet was a little too far. I'm not sure how to get them any
closer. I run an electric heater in this room this time of the year and
I have to have about a 5 foot area in front of me in the clear. If I
tried to move the speakers closer on their makeshift stands, they'd
block the heater. Maybe when Summer comes, I'll be able to get around
it.

There are some pretty good articles at
http://www.gikacoustics.com/articles/ that might help. Start out using
their guide to speaker placement (but of course they want you to buy
their room treatment materials in the end). Move some furniture if you
need to. Improvise speaker stands from a stack of concrete "cinder
blocks."Â* $15 at Home Depot plus an afternoon's work might get your
mixes to travel a bit better.

I was also thinking of adding wheels to my current stands, then I could
just roll them closer when I'm using the system. I'll take a look at
the articles. Thanks.

[Hikaru Ichijyo]

The more I see discussions like this, the more I think someone out there
is missing a fabulous business opportunity making mixer consoles that
mount on your dashboard. After all, haven't we all already decided that
our cars are the only monitoring environment we really trust?

--
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent
that will reach to himself.
--Thomas Paine

[geoff]

On 12/03/2018 9:20 AM, Hikaru Ichijyo wrote:
The more I see discussions like this, the more I think someone out there
is missing a fabulous business opportunity making mixer consoles that
mount on your dashboard. After all, haven't we all already decided that
our cars are the only monitoring environment we really trust?



Put it all thru a Behringer X-18 or whatever and you can use the X-Air
Android or Apple appon your smartphone to finely tweak the sound to your
liking (eq, dynamics, gating, reverb, whatever !) while you are speeding
along.

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

Hikaru Ichijyo wrote:
The more I see discussions like this, the more I think someone out there
is missing a fabulous business opportunity making mixer consoles that
mount on your dashboard. After all, haven't we all already decided that
our cars are the only monitoring environment we really trust?

I don't know about this, but I did once work at a studio that had mounted
a Chrysler cigarette lighter and ashtray into a Neve module and bolted it
into the console. It was very convenient and between that and the oversized
studio glass most of the benefits of the automobile were achieved.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Hikaru Ichijyo]

(Scott Dorsey) writes:

Hikaru Ichijyo wrote:
The more I see discussions like this, the more I think someone out there
is missing a fabulous business opportunity making mixer consoles that
mount on your dashboard. After all, haven't we all already decided that
our cars are the only monitoring environment we really trust?

I don't know about this, but I did once work at a studio that had mounted
a Chrysler cigarette lighter and ashtray into a Neve module and bolted it
into the console. It was very convenient and between that and the oversized
studio glass most of the benefits of the automobile were achieved.

No, I don't think you can do that in the other direction. We seem to
trust our cars because they're better listening spaces than most people
who don't have a treated room would have access to elsewhere. You can't
make a room trusted by turning it into a car though!

--
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent
that will reach to himself.
--Thomas Paine

[PStamler]

When deciding how much reverb to add to a mix, I have a pretty simple technique:

1. Start out with no reverb.
2. Turn up the reverb until it sounds right.
3. Then turn it down 6dB from that point.

I won't say it works every time, but it works more often than not.

The idea is that your brain becomes acclimated to a given level of reverb quite quickly; the natural inclination in Step 2 is to add reverb until you can "hear it working". That's how we get so many mixes that sound like they were recorded in a cave.

This method is an attempt to work around the brain's tendency. Give it a try.

Peace,
Paul

[[email protected]]

On Saturday, March 10, 2018 at 2:18:12 PM UTC-5, PStamler wrote:
When deciding how much reverb to add to a mix, I have a pretty simple technique:

1. Start out with no reverb.
2. Turn up the reverb until it sounds right.
3. Then turn it down 6dB from that point.

I won't say it works every time, but it works more often than not.

The idea is that your brain becomes acclimated to a given level of reverb quite quickly; the natural inclination in Step 2 is to add reverb until you can "hear it working". That's how we get so many mixes that sound like they were recorded in a cave.

This method is an attempt to work around the brain's tendency. Give it a try.

Peace,
Paul

+1

[Tobiah]

On 03/10/2018 11:18 AM, PStamler wrote:
When deciding how much reverb to add to a mix, I have a pretty simple technique:

1. Start out with no reverb.
2. Turn up the reverb until it sounds right.
3. Then turn it down 6dB from that point.

That sounds like a good method, although once accustomed to the 6dB down
level, it might replace it self as #2 which would make #3 detrimental.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202. While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors. Recommendations?

Keep doing it, and keep listening, and if possible listen on as many other
systems as you can.

Eventually you will figure out that really nothing ever sounds very good in
the car, but you may specifically learn some things that always sound bad
and can be avoided (like excessive stuff in the 120 Hz range where cars are
frequently boomy).
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Tobiah]

On 03/09/2018 11:43 AM, JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202. While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car
but will sound good on these monitors. Recommendations?

I didn't read the whole thread, but does the car have Aux in or Bluetooth?

If so, couldn't you just do your mixing in the car with a laptop?

[geoff]

On 10/03/2018 8:43 AM, JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202.Â* While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors.Â* Recommendations?


I think we need to get this straight again, 'cos I'm a bit confused.

Pick one or mo
1 - You want to master on speakers that are made to sound like things
did when listening in your car ?
2 - Destination listening environment is your car ?
3 - Destination listening environment is anywhere (everywhere) else ?
4 - You want to make things sound on hi-fi systems like stuff does in
your car ?
5 - You want to make the mastering results (for 'anywhere' listening
environments) sound like the resultant sound like it did when mastering
in your car ?
6 - You do not wish to adjust your technique to mastering on a system
that sounds simply as good as it can be, forgetting the car scenario
entirely ?

Or something else ?

geoff

[JBI]

On 03/12/2018 09:14 PM, geoff wrote:
On 10/03/2018 8:43 AM, JBI wrote:
Been over a week now since using the recommended Presonus E5's and
Behringer 202.Â* While I'm finding it much easier to judge and correct
for proper equalization, anytime I try and manipulate either stereo
width, add reverb or similar, it never sounds very good in the car but
will sound good on these monitors.Â* Recommendations?


I think we need to get this straight again, 'cos I'm a bit confused.

Pick one or mo
1 - You want to master on speakers that are made to sound like things
did when listening in your car ?

Yes, but since I have the speakers, I have found it much easier to
adjust the eq coming over the monitors to come much closer to how the
car sounds.

2 - Destination listening environment is your car ?

Pretty much as that's all I have (besides the recent new monitor
additions in the house).

3 - Destination listening environment is anywhere (everywhere) else ?

Not really, just the house now on the monitors or mostly in the car.

4 -Â* You want to make things sound on hi-fi systems like stuff does in
your car ?
5 - You want to make the mastering results (for 'anywhere' listening
environments) sound like the resultant sound like it did when mastering
in your car ?

Not sure what you mean by 4 & 5.

6 - You do not wish to adjust your technique to mastering on a system
that sounds simply as good as it can be, forgetting the car scenario
entirely ?

No, not entirely. These monitors have pretty much solved the issue of
mixing in the house to sound similar to the car. I can roughly add the
same amount of EQ I get in the car at the DAW output and, on these new
monitors, for the first time ever, the sound is close enough.

The only issue remaining is reverb/ echo and/or stereo. I'm finding it
hard to mimic what I hear in the house versus the car, but someone
earlier in the week suggested to adjust to what sounded good in the
house, then back off a certain amount of db. That seems to be the best
compromise. I don't think the car's ever going to sound any better
without better speakers or better placement.

Overall, I'm pretty happy now, and it certainly beats what I used to do
by dragging the laptop out to the car everytime I wanted to adjust EQ on
something or mix.


Or something else ?

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/13/2018 11:03 PM, JBI wrote:
6 - You do not wish to adjust your technique to mastering on a system
that sounds simply as good as it can be, forgetting the car scenario
entirely ?

No, not entirely.Â* These monitors have pretty much solved the issue of
mixing in the house to sound similar to the car.Â* I can roughly add the
same amount of EQ I get in the car at the DAW output and, on these new
monitors, for the first time ever, the sound is close enough.

So what you hear in the house (after EQ and other adjustments) sounds
like what you're accustomed to hearing in the car? And when you take
this mucked-up-to-sound-like-the-car mix out to the car, it still sounds
like you mixed it in the house? That would be odd. That sounds like
maybe you're taking out frequencies that the car environment emphasizes
- then in the car, there's nothing there (or rather less there) to
emphasize so it doesn't change much traveling from the house to the car.

The only issue remaining is reverb/ echo and/or stereo.Â* I'm finding it
hard to mimic what I hear in the house versus the car, but someone
earlier in the week suggested to adjust to what sounded good in the
house, then back off a certain amount of db.Â* That seems to be the best
compromise.Â* I don't think the car's ever going to sound any better
without better speakers or better placement.

The other thing about listening in the car is that if the left/right
balance is centered (in the car radio) and you're in the driver's seat,
you aren't hearing very much of what's in the right channel - neither
program material nor ambience. It won't be right either if you adjust
the radio's panning control (by 2000, most car radios did have one) so,
from your listening position, what's in the center sounds like it's in
the center, but it might give you a clue as to how to make an
"unbalanced" mix that will work better from where you're sitting while
driving.


--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[[email protected]]

Mike Rivers wrote: "the radio's panning control (by 2000, most car radios did
have one) so,"

Are you referring to the BALANCE control?
Because every car I have ever riden in or
drove has had one of those, even cars from
the sixties. On the other hand, I have never
seen, in any post-2000 model I've been in,
a "panning" control. And we're taking Chevys,
Hyundais, Toyotas, Subarus, Hondas, you
name it.


As for what this guy is attempting to do, it sounds
like he wants to master stuff so it sounds great
from his position in the drivers seat of his daily
driver. So some advice for how to configure
the front seat area as a mastering suite while
parked might be helpful here.

He should be forewarned that such masters will
sound like CRAP anywhere else they are played,
except maybe in a car of identical make, year,
and model, with same sound system with same
tone/EQ settings.

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/14/2018 9:16 AM, wrote:

Are you referring to the BALANCE control?
Because every car I have ever riden in or
drove has had one of those, even cars from
the sixties. On the other hand, I have never
seen, in any post-2000 model I've been in,
a "panning" control.

Balance, panning, whatever. I know you're prone to disagreement, so
you're probably thinking that "panning" means that when you turn the
knob all the way to the left, the right channel goes off entirely and
the left channel goes up 2.5 to 6 dB from the centered position. True,
car radios might not have that. I don't know. In a car, it would be a
subtle difference between leaving the "panned away from" channel at the
centered level.

As for what this guy is attempting to do, it sounds
like he wants to master stuff so it sounds great
from his position in the drivers seat of his daily
driver. So some advice for how to configure
the front seat area as a mastering suite while
parked might be helpful here.

Perhaps he should get a horse and buggy. Those are usually steered from
the center.



--

For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[geoff]

On 15/03/2018 2:16 AM, wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: "the radio's panning control (by 2000, most car radios did
have one) so,"

Are you referring to the BALANCE control?
Because every car I have ever riden in or
drove has had one of those, even cars from
the sixties. On the other hand, I have never
seen, in any post-2000 model I've been in,
a "panning" control. And we're taking Chevys,
Hyundais, Toyotas, Subarus, Hondas, you
name it.

We (almost) all know that panning and balance are essentially the same
thing. If we are talking car audio though, 'Fader' appears to be a
front/rear balance control. Just to make things even clearer.

As for what this guy is attempting to do, it sounds
like he wants to master stuff so it sounds great
from his position in the drivers seat of his daily
driver. So some advice for how to configure
the front seat area as a mastering suite while
parked might be helpful here.
He should be forewarned that such masters will
sound like CRAP anywhere else they are played,
except maybe in a car of identical make, year,
and model, with same sound system with same
tone/EQ settings.

Yep. But I guess he has nothing better to do, so let us indulge him.

geoff

[JBI]

On 03/14/2018 08:11 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2018 11:03 PM, JBI wrote:
6 - You do not wish to adjust your technique to mastering on a system
that sounds simply as good as it can be, forgetting the car scenario
entirely ?

No, not entirely.Â* These monitors have pretty much solved the issue of
mixing in the house to sound similar to the car.Â* I can roughly add
the same amount of EQ I get in the car at the DAW output and, on these
new monitors, for the first time ever, the sound is close enough.

So what you hear in the house (after EQ and other adjustments) sounds
like what you're accustomed to hearing in the car?Â* And when you take
this mucked-up-to-sound-like-the-car mix out to the car, it still sounds
like you mixed it in the house? That would be odd. That sounds like
maybe you're taking out frequencies that the car environment emphasizes
- then in the car, there's nothing there (or rather less there) to
emphasize so it doesn't change much traveling from the house to the car.

No, Mike, I should have clarified that I just have one of the EQ's in
the DAW adjusted as a plug-in. I disable it before saving the audio
file, then it sounds good in the car. I just use the plug in activated
while mixing on the monitors to get a feel for what the audio will sound
like in the vehicle, then turn it off before saving. I have the car MP3
player EQ already preadjusted.

The only issue remaining is reverb/ echo and/or stereo.Â* I'm finding
it hard to mimic what I hear in the house versus the car, but someone
earlier in the week suggested to adjust to what sounded good in the
house, then back off a certain amount of db.Â* That seems to be the
best compromise.Â* I don't think the car's ever going to sound any
better without better speakers or better placement.

The other thing about listening in the car is that if the left/right
balance is centered (in the car radio) and you're in the driver's seat,
you aren't hearing very much of what's in the right channel - neither
program material nor ambience. It won't be right either if you adjust
the radio's panning control (by 2000, most car radios did have one) so,
from your listening position, what's in the center sounds like it's in
the center, but it might give you a clue as to how to make an
"unbalanced" mix that will work better from where you're sitting while
driving.

I basically just have to be very gentle with the reverb/ stereo
settings. If I can just hear them on the house monitors, the result is
ok in the car but because of the imbalance as you mention, I really
don't hear either reverb or stereo that well. It's ok, much, much
better than it used to be!

[geoff]

On 15/03/2018 7:05 AM, JBI wrote:
On 03/14/2018 08:11 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2018 11:03 PM, JBI wrote:
6 - You do not wish to adjust your technique to mastering on a
system that sounds simply as good as it can be, forgetting the car
scenario entirely ?

No, not entirely.Â* These monitors have pretty much solved the issue
of mixing in the house to sound similar to the car.Â* I can roughly
add the same amount of EQ I get in the car at the DAW output and, on
these new monitors, for the first time ever, the sound is close enough.

So what you hear in the house (after EQ and other adjustments) sounds
like what you're accustomed to hearing in the car?Â* And when you take
this mucked-up-to-sound-like-the-car mix out to the car, it still
sounds like you mixed it in the house? That would be odd. That sounds
like maybe you're taking out frequencies that the car environment
emphasizes - then in the car, there's nothing there (or rather less
there) to emphasize so it doesn't change much traveling from the house
to the car.

No, Mike, I should have clarified that I just have one of the EQ's in
the DAW adjusted as a plug-in.Â* I disable it before saving the audio
file, then it sounds good in the car.Â* I just use the plug in activated
while mixing on the monitors to get a feel for what the audio will sound
like in the vehicle, then turn it off before saving.

That makes sense !

Â* I have the car MP3
player EQ already preadjusted.

I assume this music that you are mastering is your own recording ?

So why not master stuff to sound 'good' anywhere, and leave the in-car
sound to be adjusted in the car, to your liking, as would any music you
may be hearing from other sources (radio, CD, downloads, etc) ?

Or if you are adjusting music from other sources, then why bother at all
- just readjust the EQ in you car listening environment instead ?

..

I basically just have to be very gentle with the reverb/ stereo
settings.Â* If I can just hear them on the house monitors, the result is
ok in the car but because of the imbalance as you mention, I really
don't hear either reverb or stereo that well.Â* It's ok, much, much
better than it used to be!


Don't know about your car, but road noise masks much subtlety unless I'm
listening way too loud, or parked up.

geoff

[PStamler]

To JBI:

May I recommend to you the current (March) issue of Recording magazine? The issue's focus is on monitoring, and it's got several articles you might find valuable. Better hurry; the April issue will hit the stands any day now.

Peace,
Paul