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stereo drum OH question
for my jazz trio, my preferred method of recording the drums is with
schoeps mk41 in a spaced pair above the kit. nothing else. Just those two mics with a good drummer in even a halfway decent room provides a very good result. there's no hype, the cymbals are not sizzly, and it's a very even and balanced tone. I love those mics. But I also use them for other things- mainly my guitar and the upright bass. but I don't have $4k for another pair. is there single point stereo mic or a pair of sdc's I should look at that I can use for the drums? It seems most mics have hf lifts and other annoying responses, and i don't want to deal with that sound. that and the tight pattern of the mk41 gives a very focused sound that rejects a lot of room reflections. I would be comfortable spending about $1500 give or take a little bit. I'm thinking a single stereo mic might be cool to try, or a pair of sdc's. I could maybe try a pair of the THE hypers- i own one already and though it's no schoeps it sounds pretty good. self noise is a LOT higher than the schoeps and the pattern isn't as tight, and the freq response isn't as full, but it is a decent sounding OH mic and doens't have that real anoying high end or hi mid crap that a lot of small condensers have. or I was thinking about an aea r88. that's probably the best bet but I'm wondering what my other options are. I see a company named peluso mics has a stereo ribbon and a stereo condenser but there's no published freq charts. I'm sure I could get ahold of one to try out, but if it isn't in the ballpark I don't want to bother auditioning it. I'm set on auditioning the aea for this purpose but wondering what else i should look at. suggestions please! while I'm at it, pretty much those schoeps mk41's ar my favorite mics on the planet. if I were to do a recording and rent additional mics, and I was to record a vibraphone with my group, what do you think about a pair of mk41's or mk4 or dpa 4011? this would be in a good sounding room but no isolation. In my living room the mk41's make everything sound good, for the obvious reason of their great pattern. I've decided instead of going into a studio to try my next project myself. so I'll rent a hall (have a great one in town i can use at which i've performed many times and it sounds fantastic) and set the band up like a gig and just go to town. but because of no isolation i've got to choose mics and placement wisely. At this point it's all speculation as I'm just thinking about this project, but in the next 12 months it will probably come to fruition. And Dorsey, if you're reading this, I may consult you to fly down and help out if this actually happens. so that's the long and short of it. have at it! N |
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Nate Najar wrote:
for my jazz trio, my preferred method of recording the drums is with schoeps mk41 in a spaced pair above the kit. nothing else. Just those two mics with a good drummer in even a halfway decent room provides a very good result. there's no hype, the cymbals are not sizzly, and it's a very even and balanced tone. I love those mics. But I also use them for other things- mainly my guitar and the upright bass. but I don't have $4k for another pair. is there single point stereo mic or a pair of sdc's I should look at that I can use for the drums? Nate, I have and love the Schoeps mics. But before I bought the Schoeps I had and still have a pair of AKG 480B SDC mics, with omni, cardioid and hypercardioid heads for each of the preamps. They are somewhat cheaper than the Schoeps but I have found the AKGs to be almost their equal. I've used both in the spaced pair and coincident pair configurations with excellent results. Add to that a gentle commendation from the highly esteemed Dorsey in the past (search the archives) and I think you might be quite pleased. Rent a pair to try them before you buy. Don't rely on any advice from me as there is far too much that I don't know. Mike Clayton |
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Nate Najar wrote:
for my jazz trio, my preferred method of recording the drums is with schoeps mk41 in a spaced pair above the kit. nothing else. Just those two mics with a good drummer in even a halfway decent room provides a very good result. there's no hype, the cymbals are not sizzly, and it's a very even and balanced tone. I love those mics. But I also use them for other things- mainly my guitar and the upright bass. but I don't have $4k for another pair. is there single point stereo mic or a pair of sdc's I should look at that I can use for the drums? It seems most mics have hf lifts and other annoying responses, and i don't want to deal with that sound. that and the tight pattern of the mk41 gives a very focused sound that rejects a lot of room reflections. I don't think there is anything that you will find which is as clean as the Schoeps and as directional. If you can live with a little less directionality, you might consider the DPA microphones or the AKG C480. Another thing you probably ought to do is to get a pair of used Sennheiser 441 dynamics. They aren't in the same league as the Schoeps, obviously, but you will be surprised what they can do on bass and guitar, and that could free your Schoeps up for something else. And they sell used for good prices. while I'm at it, pretty much those schoeps mk41's ar my favorite mics on the planet. if I were to do a recording and rent additional mics, and I was to record a vibraphone with my group, what do you think about a pair of mk41's or mk4 or dpa 4011? this would be in a good sounding room but no isolation. In my living room the mk41's make everything sound good, for the obvious reason of their great pattern. The 4011 is a great mike and it is clean off-axis but it's not as tight as the Schoeps in reality. I've decided instead of going into a studio to try my next project myself. so I'll rent a hall (have a great one in town i can use at which i've performed many times and it sounds fantastic) and set the band up like a gig and just go to town. but because of no isolation i've got to choose mics and placement wisely. At this point it's all speculation as I'm just thinking about this project, but in the next 12 months it will probably come to fruition. And Dorsey, if you're reading this, I may consult you to fly down and help out if this actually happens. I'd be happy to do so and I'd bring a pair of old B&K omnis as well. The key to the whole thing is to get the best acoustics you can get, in order to allow you to use omnis. There are a lot of good cheap omnis out there and there are some amazing expensive ones, but it's a lot harder to make a cardioid that sounds good than an omni and a whole lot harder to make a hypercardioid, and consequently you pay more money for that. The thing is, good acoustics cost more than microphones. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Another thing you probably ought to do is to get a pair of used Sennheiser 441 dynamics. They aren't in the same league as the Schoeps, obviously, but you will be surprised what they can do on bass and guitar, and that could free your Schoeps up for something else. And they sell used for good prices. If I had to strip to four mics I'd keep the Schoeps (CMC6 + MK4) and the Sennheiser MD441's. The 441's are terrific mics, IMO. -- ha shut up and play your guitar |
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On Dec 26, 11:40*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: Another thing you probably ought to do is to get a pair of used Sennheiser 441 dynamics. *They aren't in the same league as the Schoeps, obviously, but you will be surprised what they can do on bass and guitar, and that could free your Schoeps up for something else. *And they sell used for good prices. If I had to strip to four mics I'd keep the Schoeps (CMC6 + MK4) and the Sennheiser MD441's. The 441's are terrific mics, IMO. -- ha Haven't used one yet, but Mercenary Audio recently introduced a mic (the MFG KM-69) that they claim sounds more like a good vintage Neumann KM-84 than the current -184, or any other small diaphragm condenser out there. They're selling it for $950 per mic, or $1800 a pair, which is cheaper than a Schoeps, at least. There's some audio samples here - http://www.ma-mfg.com/audio/audio.html -Neb |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:23:03 -0500, nebulax wrote
(in article ): On Dec 26, 11:40*am, (hank alrich) wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Another thing you probably ought to do is to get a pair of used Sennheiser 441 dynamics. *They aren't in the same league as the Schoeps, obviously, but you will be surprised what they can do on bass and guitar, and that could free your Schoeps up for something else. *And they sell used for good prices. If I had to strip to four mics I'd keep the Schoeps (CMC6 + MK4) and the Sennheiser MD441's. The 441's are terrific mics, IMO. -- ha Haven't used one yet, but Mercenary Audio recently introduced a mic (the MFG KM-69) that they claim sounds more like a good vintage Neumann KM-84 than the current -184, or any other small diaphragm condenser out there. They're selling it for $950 per mic, or $1800 a pair, which is cheaper than a Schoeps, at least. There's some audio samples here - http://www.ma-mfg.com/audio/audio.html -Neb Hmm. sounds delayed-for-stereo-effect here and sort of thin. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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is there single pointstereo mic or a pair of sdc's I should look at that I can use for the drums? There´s Audio Technica 4051...... |
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