"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:09:17 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Codifus" wrote in message
. net...
I don't understand what you will achieve by doing this. Don't SACDs
already have a CD layer, and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all
the
benefits of SACD?

I don't want to take the SACD's out of the house. I don't want them
damaged
in my car.

OK. so why not simply use the digital output from the CD layer
directly to your burner? Avoids a/d and d/a and you end up with
16/44.1 anyway.

Kal

I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.
However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to master the
disk minus the compression that may have been applied to the Redbook layer.

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:54:41 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
.. .
OK. so why not simply use the digital output from the CD layer
directly to your burner? Avoids a/d and d/a and you end up with
16/44.1 anyway.

I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally but generally.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to master the
disk minus the compression that may have been applied to the Redbook layer.

Sure, you can apply your own compression superimposed on the vagueries
of the superfluous d/a and a/d processes. Seems like a lot of work
for little gain (no pun).

Kal

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:54:41 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
.. .
OK. so why not simply use the digital output from the CD layer
directly to your burner? Avoids a/d and d/a and you end up with
16/44.1 anyway.

I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally but generally.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to master the
disk minus the compression that may have been applied to the Redbook layer.

Sure, you can apply your own compression superimposed on the vagueries
of the superfluous d/a and a/d processes. Seems like a lot of work
for little gain (no pun).

Kal

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:54:41 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
.. .
OK. so why not simply use the digital output from the CD layer
directly to your burner? Avoids a/d and d/a and you end up with
16/44.1 anyway.

I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally but generally.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to master the
disk minus the compression that may have been applied to the Redbook layer.

Sure, you can apply your own compression superimposed on the vagueries
of the superfluous d/a and a/d processes. Seems like a lot of work
for little gain (no pun).

Kal

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:54:41 -0500, "Robert Morein"
wrote:


"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
.. .
OK. so why not simply use the digital output from the CD layer
directly to your burner? Avoids a/d and d/a and you end up with
16/44.1 anyway.

I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally but generally.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to master the
disk minus the compression that may have been applied to the Redbook layer.

Sure, you can apply your own compression superimposed on the vagueries
of the superfluous d/a and a/d processes. Seems like a lot of work
for little gain (no pun).

Kal

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally, but commonly.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to
master the disk minus the compression that may have been applied to
the Redbook layer.

Agreed. The two layers are different artistic works. The SACD layer is the
only one that can be counted on to sound like the SACD layer. The redbook
layer is a different artistic work, and will generally sound different.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally, but commonly.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to
master the disk minus the compression that may have been applied to
the Redbook layer.

Agreed. The two layers are different artistic works. The SACD layer is the
only one that can be counted on to sound like the SACD layer. The redbook
layer is a different artistic work, and will generally sound different.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally, but commonly.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to
master the disk minus the compression that may have been applied to
the Redbook layer.

Agreed. The two layers are different artistic works. The SACD layer is the
only one that can be counted on to sound like the SACD layer. The redbook
layer is a different artistic work, and will generally sound different.

"Robert Morein" wrote in message


I'd forgotten that SACD's are (universally?) dual layer.

Not universally, but commonly.

However, copying the bitstream layer would give me the freedom to
master the disk minus the compression that may have been applied to
the Redbook layer.

Agreed. The two layers are different artistic works. The SACD layer is the
only one that can be counted on to sound like the SACD layer. The redbook
layer is a different artistic work, and will generally sound different.

Codifus wrote:
Robertg Morein wrote:
I wish to copy my SACD's to CD.
This requires very delicate D/A--A/D conversion; the first in the player,
the second with an external A/D converter.
The result would be edited to separate the tracks, and a CD burned.

Because of the extreme delicacy of the conversion, suggestions are requested
for the optimal hardware.
It would seem noise shaping is desirable.


It would be really neat if there were an A/D with a USB interface.
However, the foremost requirement is a clean D/A--A/D step.
I'm guessing that an SACD player with balanced professional level outputs
should be used.
As for the A/D, I have no ideas, other than that it should probably be a
24/96 device, with down conversion to 44.1 accomplished by the software.
If I use a 24/96 A/D, is there software that will accomplish noise shaping?

Comments?


I don't understand what you will achieve by doing this. Don't SACDs
already have a CD layer

No necessarily. Only 'hybrid' SACDs do.

and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Heh.


--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

Codifus wrote:
Robertg Morein wrote:
I wish to copy my SACD's to CD.
This requires very delicate D/A--A/D conversion; the first in the player,
the second with an external A/D converter.
The result would be edited to separate the tracks, and a CD burned.

Because of the extreme delicacy of the conversion, suggestions are requested
for the optimal hardware.
It would seem noise shaping is desirable.


It would be really neat if there were an A/D with a USB interface.
However, the foremost requirement is a clean D/A--A/D step.
I'm guessing that an SACD player with balanced professional level outputs
should be used.
As for the A/D, I have no ideas, other than that it should probably be a
24/96 device, with down conversion to 44.1 accomplished by the software.
If I use a 24/96 A/D, is there software that will accomplish noise shaping?

Comments?


I don't understand what you will achieve by doing this. Don't SACDs
already have a CD layer

No necessarily. Only 'hybrid' SACDs do.

and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Heh.


--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

Codifus wrote:
Robertg Morein wrote:
I wish to copy my SACD's to CD.
This requires very delicate D/A--A/D conversion; the first in the player,
the second with an external A/D converter.
The result would be edited to separate the tracks, and a CD burned.

Because of the extreme delicacy of the conversion, suggestions are requested
for the optimal hardware.
It would seem noise shaping is desirable.


It would be really neat if there were an A/D with a USB interface.
However, the foremost requirement is a clean D/A--A/D step.
I'm guessing that an SACD player with balanced professional level outputs
should be used.
As for the A/D, I have no ideas, other than that it should probably be a
24/96 device, with down conversion to 44.1 accomplished by the software.
If I use a 24/96 A/D, is there software that will accomplish noise shaping?

Comments?


I don't understand what you will achieve by doing this. Don't SACDs
already have a CD layer

No necessarily. Only 'hybrid' SACDs do.

and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Heh.


--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

Codifus wrote:
Robertg Morein wrote:
I wish to copy my SACD's to CD.
This requires very delicate D/A--A/D conversion; the first in the player,
the second with an external A/D converter.
The result would be edited to separate the tracks, and a CD burned.

Because of the extreme delicacy of the conversion, suggestions are requested
for the optimal hardware.
It would seem noise shaping is desirable.


It would be really neat if there were an A/D with a USB interface.
However, the foremost requirement is a clean D/A--A/D step.
I'm guessing that an SACD player with balanced professional level outputs
should be used.
As for the A/D, I have no ideas, other than that it should probably be a
24/96 device, with down conversion to 44.1 accomplished by the software.
If I use a 24/96 A/D, is there software that will accomplish noise shaping?

Comments?


I don't understand what you will achieve by doing this. Don't SACDs
already have a CD layer

No necessarily. Only 'hybrid' SACDs do.

and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Heh.


--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

"TonyP" wrote in message
u...

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

I'm hopeful, but the optimal path is not apparent.

"TonyP" wrote in message
u...

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

I'm hopeful, but the optimal path is not apparent.

"TonyP" wrote in message
u...

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

I'm hopeful, but the optimal path is not apparent.

"TonyP" wrote in message
u...

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.

TonyP.

I'm hopeful, but the optimal path is not apparent.

TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;





--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;





--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;





--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;





--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering, not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;





--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go
to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;


Yeah, sorry about that, it was Codifus. I'm not usually quite so careless
with snipping attributions.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go
to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;


Yeah, sorry about that, it was Codifus. I'm not usually quite so careless
with snipping attributions.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go
to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;


Yeah, sorry about that, it was Codifus. I'm not usually quite so careless
with snipping attributions.

TonyP.

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
TonyP wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
and wouldn't copying an SACD to CD lose all the
benefits of SACD?

Since most if not all the differences ("benefits") are in the mastering,
not
much will be lost at all considering the lengths he is prepared to go
to.


Agreed, but then again, I didn't write what you quoted. ;


Yeah, sorry about that, it was Codifus. I'm not usually quite so careless
with snipping attributions.

TonyP.