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"One ring to rule them all....."
It appears New Sensor now owns EH, Tungsol, Reflektor and Svetlana.
What, if anything, will this "cornering" do to the market for current production? -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Hi Gregg !
AFAIK EH, Tungsol and Svetlana (S) are the brand names of tubes owned by New Sensor now, but made at the same plant named Reflector ( Saratov, Russia ). Imagine they will buy such names as Mullard or Telefunken tomorrow - how do you think this will affect JJ, Ei or Svetlana (C) ? Best regards, -- Igor http://www.arrakis.es/~igapop "Gregg" escribió en el mensaje news:Guuxd.4093$Y72.2455@edtnps91... It appears New Sensor now owns EH, Tungsol, Reflektor and Svetlana. What, if anything, will this "cornering" do to the market for current production? -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Behold, iga signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
Hi Gregg ! AFAIK EH, Tungsol and Svetlana (S) are the brand names of tubes owned by New Sensor now, but made at the same plant named Reflector ( Saratov, Russia ). Imagine they will buy such names as Mullard or Telefunken tomorrow - how do you think this will affect JJ, Ei or Svetlana (C) ? Best regards, Hi Igor, Well, I have noticed one heck of a price jump. Example, former sources of 6N1P @ $1.18CAD and 6N2P @ $2.20CAD (single tube lot) have disappeared. I get referred to the "official" wholesalers who will not budge below $8CAD for either in 100 lot :-o -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Hi Gregg !
Hi Igor, Well, I have noticed one heck of a price jump. Example, former sources of 6N1P @ $1.18CAD and 6N2P @ $2.20CAD (single tube lot) have disappeared. get referred to the "official" wholesalers who will not budge below $8CAD for either in 100 lot :-o 6N1P at $1.18 sounds music for my ears ! Seems to be a nice bussiness for the seller - just rest shipping and handling costs, custom and other fees, seller's benefit from $1.18 and wonder how these russkie managed to make a whole thing for free.. Best regards, -- Igor http://www.arrakis.es/~igapop |
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"Gregg" wrote in message news:IGxxd.4101$Y72.1260@edtnps91... : Behold, iga signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament: : : Hi Gregg ! : AFAIK EH, Tungsol and Svetlana (S) are the brand names of tubes owned : by New Sensor now, but : made at the same plant named Reflector ( Saratov, Russia ). Imagine they : will buy such names as Mullard or Telefunken tomorrow - how do you think : this will affect JJ, Ei or Svetlana (C) ? Best regards, : : : Hi Igor, : : Well, I have noticed one heck of a price jump. Example, former sources of : 6N1P @ $1.18CAD and 6N2P @ $2.20CAD (single tube lot) have disappeared. I : get referred to the "official" wholesalers who will not budge below $8CAD : for either in 100 lot :-o : : -- : Gregg t3h g33k : "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" : http://geek.scorpiorising.ca Reflector 6N2P's still something like 2 euro's over here Rudy |
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Hi RATs!
I never heard a marketing oganization I didn't like. Or did like, whatever Tubes are individuals. Once they leave the vacuum suckling machine they sing or scream on their own. Gossip about their lineage may tittilate some ... if she rings your chimes, she is a true and noble Goddess. Happy New Ears! Al Alan J. Marcy Phoenix, AZ PWC/mystic/Earhead |
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Behold, Ruud Broens signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
"Gregg" wrote in message news:IGxxd.4101$Y72.1260@edtnps91... : Behold, iga signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament: : : Hi Gregg ! : AFAIK EH, Tungsol and Svetlana (S) are the brand names of tubes owned : by New Sensor now, but : made at the same plant named Reflector ( Saratov, Russia ). Imagine they : will buy such names as Mullard or Telefunken tomorrow - how do you think : this will affect JJ, Ei or Svetlana (C) ? Best regards, : : : Hi Igor, : : Well, I have noticed one heck of a price jump. Example, former sources of : 6N1P @ $1.18CAD and 6N2P @ $2.20CAD (single tube lot) have disappeared. I : get referred to the "official" wholesalers who will not budge below $8CAD : for either in 100 lot :-o : : -- : Gregg t3h g33k : "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" : http://geek.scorpiorising.ca Reflector 6N2P's still something like 2 euro's over here Rudy Hi Rudy! 2EU = ~$4CAD. Still a bonzer deal compared to this side of the pond :-) -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Behold, François Yves Le Gal signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:41:42 GMT, Gregg wrote: It appears New Sensor now owns EH, Tungsol, Reflektor and Svetlana. They own the *brands*, some only for North America, nothing more. What, if anything, will this "cornering" do to the market for current production? Cornering? All of the tubes come from a couple of factories in Russia, which are locally owned. How could New Sensor corner anything? New Sensoe also claims directorship. Nothing comes out of Reflektor without first being OK'd by New York. "Cornering" if they so chose, is the way I interpret it. I may be wrong, have been before! ;-) -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Behold, TubeGarden signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
Hi RATs! I never heard a marketing oganization I didn't like. Or did like, whatever Tubes are individuals. Once they leave the vacuum suckling machine they sing or scream on their own. Gossip about their lineage may tittilate some ... if she rings your chimes, she is a true and noble Goddess. So true! Bring on the tubes! -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Something I found interesting recently. While browsing through my Music
Direct catalog, I came upon their tube listing. They are advertizing Svetlana tubes, Winged C logo & name on tubes, big as life. St. Petersburg stuff, the real thing. Their distributor is PM of America. I wonder if Mike (New Sensor) is fighting this, or has a loop hole been found. Mark "iga" wrote in message ... Hi Gregg ! AFAIK EH, Tungsol and Svetlana (S) are the brand names of tubes owned by New Sensor now, but made at the same plant named Reflector ( Saratov, Russia ). Imagine they will buy such names as Mullard or Telefunken tomorrow - how do you think this will affect JJ, Ei or Svetlana (C) ? Best regards, -- Igor http://www.arrakis.es/~igapop "Gregg" escribió en el mensaje news:Guuxd.4093$Y72.2455@edtnps91... It appears New Sensor now owns EH, Tungsol, Reflektor and Svetlana. What, if anything, will this "cornering" do to the market for current production? -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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Hi François,
New Wensor buys maybe 4% of what Reflektor produces... You seem to know some figures ... just to get an idea, how many tubes does a plant like Reflektor produce during a year? Tom -- |
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No idea of present Reflektor production volumes, but it was - just like all
other Russian "brands" - a huge State-owned facility producing tons of tubes from subminiature (*) up to 50-pounds industrial/broadcast types. Still these days (I suppose) the "big" vacuum devices business is related to these 25kW+ items. Anyway, if You "google" here and there You'll find almost ten Russian sites selling their NOS tubes (Reflektor, Svetlana, Voshkod, Ulyanovsk, Novosibirsk... some do not have a "brand" name but the one of the city where they were produced) at very sensible prices. Best deals are made when You modify Your project in order to accept CCCP-only tubes. 6N1/6N2P were produced in huge lots, it's not difficult to get 'em for 2-3$. Ciao Fabio (*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY interesting tube for pre/phono amps. "Tom Schlangen" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi François, New Wensor buys maybe 4% of what Reflektor produces... You seem to know some figures ... just to get an idea, how many tubes does a plant like Reflektor produce during a year? Tom -- |
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Behold, Fabio Berutti signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
(*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY interesting tube for pre/phono amps. How's it for noise? Right now I'm playing with 6N1P for phono. -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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"Fabio Berutti" wrote in message ... : No idea of present Reflektor production volumes, but it was - just like all : other Russian "brands" - a huge State-owned facility producing tons of tubes : from subminiature (*) up to 50-pounds industrial/broadcast types. Still : these days (I suppose) the "big" vacuum devices business is related to these : 25kW+ items. : Anyway, if You "google" here and there You'll find almost ten Russian sites : selling their NOS tubes (Reflektor, Svetlana, Voshkod, Ulyanovsk, : Novosibirsk... some do not have a "brand" name but the one of the city where : they were produced) at very sensible prices. Best deals are made when You : modify Your project in order to accept CCCP-only tubes. 6N1/6N2P were : produced in huge lots, it's not difficult to get 'em for 2-3$. : : Ciao : : Fabio : : (*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY : interesting tube for pre/phono amps. Could only find data on the 6N16G : very nice !! eg. 6ma, Vg1k=-2 V, Ra 27k, Vak=100V very lineair:-) is that the one they use in the Vincent amps ? cheers, Rudy |
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Fabio Berutti wrote: No idea of present Reflektor production volumes, but it was - just like all other Russian "brands" - a huge State-owned facility producing tons of tubes from subminiature (*) up to 50-pounds industrial/broadcast types. Still these days (I suppose) the "big" vacuum devices business is related to these 25kW+ items. Anyway, if You "google" here and there You'll find almost ten Russian sites selling their NOS tubes (Reflektor, Svetlana, Voshkod, Ulyanovsk, Novosibirsk... some do not have a "brand" name but the one of the city where they were produced) at very sensible prices. Best deals are made when You modify Your project in order to accept CCCP-only tubes. 6N1/6N2P were produced in huge lots, it's not difficult to get 'em for 2-3$. Ciao Fabio From what I have seen the russians like to charge a fair old price for air mailing the tubes to Oz. Then one takes a risk anyway. At least New Sensor tests the tubes in NY, and matches them, so its more unlikely to buy any duds. (*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY interesting tube for pre/phono amps. Google gave no result with '6N16 russian triode data'. What is this tube? Patrick Turner. "Tom Schlangen" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi François, New Wensor buys maybe 4% of what Reflektor produces... You seem to know some figures ... just to get an idea, how many tubes does a plant like Reflektor produce during a year? Tom -- |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... : : Google gave no result with '6N16 russian triode data'. : : What is this tube? : : Patrick Turner. : Always check the fabulous Duncan Monroe lookup machine (thanks again , Duncan:-) http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/tubesearch.php Rudy |
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Behold, Patrick Turner signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
Fabio Berutti wrote: No idea of present Reflektor production volumes, but it was - just like all other Russian "brands" - a huge State-owned facility producing tons of tubes from subminiature (*) up to 50-pounds industrial/broadcast types. Still these days (I suppose) the "big" vacuum devices business is related to these 25kW+ items. Anyway, if You "google" here and there You'll find almost ten Russian sites selling their NOS tubes (Reflektor, Svetlana, Voshkod, Ulyanovsk, Novosibirsk... some do not have a "brand" name but the one of the city where they were produced) at very sensible prices. Best deals are made when You modify Your project in order to accept CCCP-only tubes. 6N1/6N2P were produced in huge lots, it's not difficult to get 'em for 2-3$. Ciao Fabio From what I have seen the russians like to charge a fair old price for air mailing the tubes to Oz. Then one takes a risk anyway. At least New Sensor tests the tubes in NY, and matches them, so its more unlikely to buy any duds. (*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY interesting tube for pre/phono amps. Google gave no result with '6N16 russian triode data'. What is this tube? Duncanamps.com TDSL has the data. -- Gregg t3h g33k "Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines" http://geek.scorpiorising.ca |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:41:28 +0000, Mark S wrote:
Something I found interesting recently. While browsing through my Music Direct catalog, I came upon their tube listing. They are advertizing Svetlana tubes, Winged C logo & name on tubes, big as life. St. Petersburg stuff, the real thing. Their distributor is PM of America. I wonder if Mike (New Sensor) is fighting this, or has a loop hole been found. Mark No, New Sensor settled with PM out of court. However, if Music Direct is selling SED as Svetlana without any caveats, (ie: "used to be called Svetlana") I think they'll hear from Mike's lawyers pronto. No shortage of barristers in NYC, methinks. The Winged C logo remains property of the Russians. Cyrillic C is equivalent to an English S. -- Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA www.triodeelectronics.com |
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Please see http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/f...13/6/6N16B.pdf.
It is a sort of "zipped" ECC88. I suppose that being so small it should show a very small microphony, and due to its tiny size it could make a phono stage fit inside an already exixting (or designed) line preamp. Ciao Fabio "Patrick Turner" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Fabio Berutti wrote: No idea of present Reflektor production volumes, but it was - just like all other Russian "brands" - a huge State-owned facility producing tons of tubes from subminiature (*) up to 50-pounds industrial/broadcast types. Still these days (I suppose) the "big" vacuum devices business is related to these 25kW+ items. Anyway, if You "google" here and there You'll find almost ten Russian sites selling their NOS tubes (Reflektor, Svetlana, Voshkod, Ulyanovsk, Novosibirsk... some do not have a "brand" name but the one of the city where they were produced) at very sensible prices. Best deals are made when You modify Your project in order to accept CCCP-only tubes. 6N1/6N2P were produced in huge lots, it's not difficult to get 'em for 2-3$. Ciao Fabio From what I have seen the russians like to charge a fair old price for air mailing the tubes to Oz. Then one takes a risk anyway. At least New Sensor tests the tubes in NY, and matches them, so its more unlikely to buy any duds. (*) BTW, the Reflektor 6N16 subminiature double triode is a cheap and VERY interesting tube for pre/phono amps. Google gave no result with '6N16 russian triode data'. What is this tube? Patrick Turner. "Tom Schlangen" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi François, New Wensor buys maybe 4% of what Reflektor produces... You seem to know some figures ... just to get an idea, how many tubes does a plant like Reflektor produce during a year? Tom -- |
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