[genericaudioperson]

Hello,

Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band
into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover
but in a box)?

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split
audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi-
band compressor.

[Mike Rivers]

genericaudioperson wrote:

Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band
into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover
but in a box)?

Yes, it's called a speaker crossover in a box. Actually, it's usualy
called an active or electronic crossover.

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split
audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi-
band compressor.

In fact, that's exactly what people did (usually using either a
crossover or console EQ) when they got the idea that controlling
dynamics of different frequency ranges independently. After seeing what
engineers were doing with stuff lying around the studio, a couple of
clever manufacturers started packaging the crossover and a few
compressors in a single box. The t.c. Finalizer was one of the early
succeessful products like this. I'll bet they're dirt cheap through eBay
these days but I haven't checked. Maybe they're "vintage" already.




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[Scott Dorsey]

genericaudioperson wrote:

Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band
into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover
but in a box)?

Yes, it's a speaker crossover in a box.

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split
audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi-
band compressor.

Try a Rane AC-23.

Really, you need to get the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Arny Krueger]

"genericaudioperson" wrote
in message


Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits
the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind
of like a speaker crossover but in a box)?

As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you
want.

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying
to find a hardware multi- band compressor.

That's your market study! ;-)

Echo that you try something like a Rane AC 22 or AC 23, or any other 24/dB
octave device including the DBX.

Hmm, mix in some RNCs?

The AC22 is a 2 band stereo box, and the AC23 is 3. The DBX 223 is 2-band
stereo.

[William Sommerwerck]

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed splitaudio bands into them, rather than trying to
find a hardware multi-band compressor.

Try a Rane AC-23.

Or a dbx 5BX -- if you can find one.

[Randy Yates]

"Arny Krueger" writes:

"genericaudioperson" wrote
in message


Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits
the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind
of like a speaker crossover but in a box)?

As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you
want.

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying
to find a hardware multi- band compressor.

I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are
folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of
multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium.
--
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and those who hesitate
%%% 919-577-9882 % got no one..."
%%%% % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELO
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Mark]

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying
to find a hardware multi- band compressor.

I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are
folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of
multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium.
--
% *Randy Yates * * * * * * * * *% "So now it's getting late,
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC * * * * * *% * *and those who hesitate
%%% 919-577-9882 * * * * * * * *% * *got no one..."
%%%% * * * * * % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com


Randy,

dynamic range compression is not used just to accomidate the
limitations of the hardware..it's also used (and abused) as a desried
effect..

you probably would not enjoy listening to full range uncompressed
recordings of drums or even vocals....

used properly, it is a good thing..

unfortunatley these days compression is VERY widely abused and
overdone to make the recordings "sound louder"

Mark

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On 2008-12-02 (ScottDorsey) said:
Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio
band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker
crossover but in a box)?
Yes, it's a speaker crossover in a box.
I was using active crossovers before the amps to split
things where they needed to go and biamping the old Altec
a7's way back when.
fUrman (spelling) was one of the first commercial units I
saw. I think the first one we used was rack mounted and
homebuilt by a local electronics wizzard. THe first FUrman
I bought could do biamp stereo, or triamp mono.


Really, you need to get the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook.
I would agree. A lot of the questions you've been asking in
this group could be answered quite well by doing some
reading in it.





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Historical review of Pennsylvania

[Randy Yates]

Mark writes:


It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying
to find a hardware multi- band compressor.

I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are
folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of
multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium.
--
% *Randy Yates * * * * * * * * *% "So now it's getting late,
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC * * * * * *% * *and those who hesitate
%%% 919-577-9882 * * * * * * * *% * *got no one..."
%%%% * * * * * % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com


Randy,

dynamic range compression is not used just to accomidate the
limitations of the hardware..it's also used (and abused) as a desried
effect..

you probably would not enjoy listening to full range uncompressed
recordings of drums or even vocals....

Hi Mark,

Actually, I probably would. But then I have Klipschorns at my house,
too.

used properly, it is a good thing..

Thanks for straightening me out, Mark.

unfortunatley these days compression is VERY widely abused and
overdone to make the recordings "sound louder"

Yes, I know... I guess I just didn't put two and two together to see
that a multi-band compressor is going to compress "harder" than a
single-band compressor in this application.

By the way, I don't purchase new music any more (call me stuck in the
past), and this is partly the reason. The newest stuff I own is some old
Dream Theater (but even that's "new" to me).
--
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
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http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Randy Yates wrote:

Yes, I know... I guess I just didn't put two and two together to see
that a multi-band compressor is going to compress "harder" than a
single-band compressor in this application.

It might, but it might not.

For example, if you apply compression to general program audio,
you will often find that with rock music, the kick drum causes the
compressor to squash more, so the whole track is modulated by the
kick. This is bad, and setting a 2-band compressor up so that the
crossover point is slightly above the kick drum will prevent this.

The Orban Optimod which was intended for hands-off signal processing
for broadcast airchains was one of the first common uses for two-band
compression, for this reason.

Multiband compression is also used as a tool for shaping sound... you
can squish one particular note more than others, which can help deal with
some kinds of resonance problems.

By the way, I don't purchase new music any more (call me stuck in the
past), and this is partly the reason. The newest stuff I own is some old
Dream Theater (but even that's "new" to me).

That's okay, I'm listening to Telemann right now myself.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ron Capik]

Arny Krueger wrote:

"genericaudioperson" wrote
in message


Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits
the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind
of like a speaker crossover but in a box)?

As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you
want.

It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying
to find a hardware multi- band compressor.

That's your market study! ;-)

Echo that you try something like a Rane AC 22 or AC 23, or any other 24/dB
octave device including the DBX.

Hmm, mix in some RNCs?

The AC22 is a 2 band stereo box, and the AC23 is 3. The DBX 223 is 2-band
stereo.

There's also the Rane DC-24, a crossover with compression.
However, I'm surprised nobody has suggested the Behringer DEQ-2496,
a veritable audio Swiss army knife. One channel of the DEQ... replaced
all the functionality of my DC-24, and then some.


Later...

Ron Capik
--

[genericaudioperson]

It's not for recording,

Mua ha ha ha ha

[Phil W]

genericaudioperson wrote:
It's not for recording,

Mua ha ha ha ha

So, as you seem to be asking a lot questions, that are rather "live sound
reinforcement" related, why don´t ask them at the live sound newsgroup?
It´s a dedicated group for live-sound stuff.

news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound

This group here, rec.audio.pro is rather "recording" oriented - with a focus
on studio work...


No offense, definitely! It might just be, that your questions might
accomodate the live-sound NG better.


Cheers,

Phil

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[Arny Krueger]

"Phil W" wrote in message

genericaudioperson wrote:
It's not for recording,

Mua ha ha ha ha

So, as you seem to be asking a lot questions, that are
rather "live sound reinforcement" related, why don´t ask
them at the live sound newsgroup? It´s a dedicated group
for live-sound stuff.
news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound

This group here, rec.audio.pro is rather "recording"
oriented - with a focus on studio work...


No offense, definitely! It might just be, that your
questions might accomodate the live-sound NG better.


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