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John Phillips wrote: On 2007-09-04, Peter Scott wrote: As for broadcast digital audio links, in UK they are Nicam728 and the data carried is 14-bit (actually its compressed slightly on the link to 13 bits IIRC). Possibly in other parts of the world they use more than 16 bits but I don't know the standards. Out of interest can you point me to the relevant references? I thought that the BBC used 20 bit for data links from live concerts such as the Proms. Perhaps I'm wrong. I know that much lower resolutions are used on the broadcast material on most digital channels. -- __________________________________________________ _______________________ Composed using Mozilla Thunderbird and virus checked using Grisoft AVG Peter Scott __________________________________________________ _______________________ |
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Arny Krueger wrote: "Peter Scott" wrote in message ... Thanks for all your comments and those from others. Looks like I have been poorly educated in the technicalities of CD. I'll take your advice and update my knowledge. I guess the pictures that I have in mind about the stepped nature of samples is far too simplistic. -- __________________________________________________ _______________________ Composed using Mozilla Thunderbird and virus checked using Grisoft AVG Peter Scott __________________________________________________ _______________________ |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... The public do not need to know (and probably don't ca-) that there are quite many pop CD's which have been re-mastered in this way. Those more used to CD quality though, DO find it annoying when they buy a reissue on CD that has some of the noise of a vinyl pressing, plus the artefacts of single ended noise reduction attempts, plus the extra distortion etc. If you are foolish enough to buy CD's with the artefacts you describe, then you are deserve exactly what you get. You are so lucky then that you can listen to every single CD you have before you buy it. Most people are not so lucky. Or maybe you just don't buy any? Personally I am ****ed off, especially if I already have it on vinyl and was hoping for something a step closer to the master tapes.´ Having never heard the master tapes, how can you possibly know? LOL:-) Well the noise and distortion is a give away to those who can tell. I guess that doesn't include you. MrT. |
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On 2007-09-07, Peter Scott wrote:
John Phillips wrote: On 2007-09-04, Peter Scott wrote: As for broadcast digital audio links, in UK they are Nicam728 and the data carried is 14-bit (actually its compressed slightly on the link to 13 bits IIRC). Possibly in other parts of the world they use more than 16 bits but I don't know the standards. Out of interest can you point me to the relevant references? I thought that the BBC used 20 bit for data links from live concerts such as the Proms. Perhaps I'm wrong. I know that much lower resolutions are used on the broadcast material on most digital channels. Ah, you may be right. I was thinking of the links to the transmitters and I now suspect that was not the right meaning of broadcast digital audio links. -- John Phillips |
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"George M. Middius" cmndr _ george @ comcast . net wrote in message ... Iain Churches said: "Facts about Krooborg" states that you're a second-hand computer repair man from Michigan! Also Chrysler Ashtray Designer Emeritus. (It says so on his toilet paper.) How could someone so cruelly mis-inform me on such an important matter? :-) That's what you get for relying on underground reference books. The Resistance's official handbook on audio 'borgism is quite comprehensive. I received an e-mail circular some years ago, when I first began "discussions" with Arny on UKRA. Do you still have the email? I'd be interested in knowing who sent it. The maddening emerged originally on RAO and spread to other audio groups. Sadly no. I think its sender was a subscriber to RAO, a group I had not even heard of at that time. I took a look there once. That was enough for me. Other than an announcement saying that Arny had been voted "No.1 Sh*t on Usenet" I have no other bits of endearing biographical info:-) except: There was a very good cartoon posted on a university audio website. It depicted a control room with Phil A at the console and Arny as tape op. You could see a huge number of people all with tambourines in the studio. The conductor looked like Sir Simon Rattle ! Phil was shouting down the talkback, calling the conductor a an autistic pommy cretin, while Arny, with achinagraph pencil in his mouth, was pondering "Do all symphonies sound the same?" This was prior to his being born again. When was Krooger "born again"? I have to say his piety is overwhelming. Isn't Arny a born again Baptist? They have the most dreadful music! Give me a Russian Orthodox Choir any day:-) Iain |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message .fi... The public do not need to know (and probably don't ca-) that there are quite many pop CD's which have been re-mastered in this way. Arny. It's nice to see yourself and Mr.T hand in hand on Usenet. You deserve each other:-) That does help explain Iain's attitude to his customers. Yup, he presumes that they can't smell crap when he serves it up to them. Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? I fear it must be your goodself who is turning out the cr*p :-))) In classical recording proper, client, artist and listener all have very high expectations indeed. Cordially, Iain |
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Iain Churches said: Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Irrelevant. Krooger has "been there done, that" LoT"s. I fear it must be your goodself who is turning out the crap :-))) Crap is not wasted chez Krooger. It's not just the worms that benefit from the surplus. In classical recording proper, client, artist and listener all have very high expectations indeed. Unfair, Iain. Krooger's "audio career" exists entirely on Usenet. When you or others remind Mr. **** of how real music is recorded in the real world, that's equivalent to beating a cripple with his own crutches. |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. You and your tambourine bashers are in another world:-) |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. Sue me for knowing better than that. One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. Tell that to any number of legendary one-man production groups that did it all themselves. BTW, it is quite clear Iain that you've lost perspective with your deification of the last 4 items on your list. Note that in the US liner notes need only be done in 1 language, because we've managed to agree among ourselves about that! Europe should try it! You and your tambourine bashers are in another world:-) |
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On 9 Sep, 21:54, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message hti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. You and your tambourine bashers are in another world:-) Arny worships at The Church of The Holy Castenet. Tamborines are a heresy. |
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On 9 Sep, 21:54, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message hti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. You and your tambourine bashers are in another world:-) Besides, what would you know about "Churches", anyway? |
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On 9 Sep, 23:50, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
Tell that to any number of legendary one-man production groups that did it all themselves. So, now you are comparing yourself to Pierre Sprey. Besides, "at least" he designed the ashtray for the F-15, not for some pathetic Omni. |
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Clyde Slick wrote: On 9 Sep, 21:54, "Iain Churches" wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message hti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. You and your tambourine bashers are in another world:-) Arny worships at The Church of The Holy Castenet. Tamborines are a heresy. And keys... don't forget the keys! ;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... Arny. Please remind me. Which one of us has made 1000 recordings without a single one being published or being accepted for commercial release??? Well Iain, since admit that you've never made a recording that you could say was your own personal creation as I have, the answer is... Personal creation?? Is that what you call that hideous racket? LOL:-) If your work was of any merit whatsoever, at any level, someone would have tried to make money with it. It is not. They did not. With your Been There, Done That attitude, you still do not understand that recording production requires a small but highly skilled team of professionals. Sue me for knowing better than that. You probably don't have a cent:-) One needs production, recording, editing, pre-production, mastering, sleeve notes with translation into four languages, photography, marketing etc etc. Tell that to any number of legendary one-man production groups that did it all themselves. BTW, it is quite clear Iain that you've lost perspective with your deification of the last 4 items on your list. Note that in the US liner notes need only be done in 1 language, because we've managed to agree among ourselves about that! Europe should try it! By definition, one man cannot be a production group! The EU is, I am told, a larger and probably in cultural terms a richer ecomomy than the US. It has been standard practice here for classical recordings to have sleeve notes in three or four languages since the late 1960s. |
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"Mr.T" MrT@home wrote in message u... "Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... The public do not need to know (and probably don't ca-) that there are quite many pop CD's which have been re-mastered in this way. Those more used to CD quality though, DO find it annoying when they buy a reissue on CD that has some of the noise of a vinyl pressing, plus the artefacts of single ended noise reduction attempts, plus the extra distortion etc. If you are foolish enough to buy CD's with the artefacts you describe, then you are deserve exactly what you get. You are so lucky then that you can listen to every single CD you have before you buy it. Most people are not so lucky. Or maybe you just don't buy any? I get sent some 10CDs a month as complimentary evaluation or review copies. I buy five or six (often boxed sets) at trade price. Personally I am ****ed off, especially if I already have it on vinyl and was hoping for something a step closer to the master tapes.´ Having never heard the master tapes, how can you possibly know? LOL:-) Well the noise and distortion is a give away to those who can tell. I guess that doesn't include you. Can't tell? LOL. You are the one who is buying sub-standard product:-) I see there is a competition on at the moment to guess what the "T" in Mr.T might stand for. Most of the suggestions seem to have (how should I put it?) "anatomical connotations" Your fellow audiophiles do not seem to hold you in high esteem! Is that why you choose to cower behind anonymity and a false e-mail address, and never post anything of value, (a link to a schematic, one of your audio projects, or an answer to a question) ? I shall not bother to reply to your drivel in future. Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... The public do not need to know (and probably don't ca-) that there are quite many pop CD's which have been re-mastered in this way. Having never heard the master tapes, how can you possibly know? LOL:-) Well the noise and distortion is a give away to those who can tell. I guess that doesn't include you. Can't tell? LOL. You are the one who is buying sub-standard product:-) That's what you are delivering unfortunately. And *IF* you can tell, why are you so arrogant as to assume no one else can???? But I'll bet you can't tell simply because your head is stuck too far up your arse! I shall not bother to reply to your drivel in future. We can only hope, at least we will be spared your drivel. MrT. |
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On 10 Sep, 09:22, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Iain Churches" wrote in message ti.fi... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message news Sue me for knowing better than that. You probably don't have a cent:-) "at least" he has a scent, but an unpleasant one, at that. I see that Arny is begging for a second lawsuit against him. |
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message i.fi... Isn't Arny a born again Baptist? Arny says he's a xtian but doesn't lead by example and is a very poor example of what a xtian should be. He only goes to church because they let him play with their mixing desk which is the only way he gets to fulfil his dream of doing live sound. He so desperately wants to be a real engineer, sort of like the Pinocchio of the live sound world. Phildo |
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