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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. Example: Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer receivers. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
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I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. Example: Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer receivers. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
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I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. Example: Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer receivers. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
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I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. Example: Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer receivers. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
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I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. Example: Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer receivers. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the service data is printed or electronic. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the service data is printed or electronic. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the service data is printed or electronic. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message om... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about this. I assume you are talking about service manuals. I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the manufacturers. I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise. I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well. I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. Most of my manuals have large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful, but it is a *HUGE* project. When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure intermittent problem. This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the service data is printed or electronic. Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or manual correction issued for that model. In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products. ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message . com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
P.S.
If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and desist" letter, not a lawsuit. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Chaos Master" wrote in message ... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
P.S.
If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and desist" letter, not a lawsuit. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Chaos Master" wrote in message ... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
P.S.
If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and desist" letter, not a lawsuit. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Chaos Master" wrote in message ... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
P.S.
If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and desist" letter, not a lawsuit. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... "Chaos Master" wrote in message ... Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens: P.S. I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games, Honda car shop manuals, you name it. I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux". So this looks like a very good idea. Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA (IIRC) for video files? Chaos. -- Chaos Master® | "I'm going under, Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever, ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through" ---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under" Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is "supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service. Mark Z. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer service, and service in general are disappearing. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Dick Pierce" wrote in message m... "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer service, and service in general are disappearing. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Dick Pierce" wrote in message m... "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer service, and service in general are disappearing. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Dick Pierce" wrote in message m... "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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P2P sharing of service manual PDF's
I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer service, and service in general are disappearing. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Dick Pierce" wrote in message m... "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't copyright service info, Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them has a copyright notice on it. and even if they did, they don't really care about this. Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long- discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for a quarter of a century. Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets. Like you. |
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Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04 at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message .com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one. When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts. Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold. Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99 doorbuster special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they care about is the cheapest initial price. mike -- Return address is VALID. Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below. Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment Yaesu FTV901R Transverter, 30pS pulser Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head... http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/ |
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Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04 at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message .com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one. When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts. Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold. Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99 doorbuster special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they care about is the cheapest initial price. mike -- Return address is VALID. Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below. Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment Yaesu FTV901R Transverter, 30pS pulser Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head... http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/ |
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Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04 at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: See comments inserted. - mz "Barry Mann" wrote in message .com... In , on 05/16/04 at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said: [ ... ] I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard to read. How would you handle large schematics? Better than nothing, I would say. The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do. The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial value, but would be important to someone for other reasons. The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better) The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the inept. I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online, but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to participate in an effort to get them online. [ ... ] ----------------------------------------------------------- spam: wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15 13 (Barry Mann) [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox] ----------------------------------------------------------- Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one. When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts. Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold. Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99 doorbuster special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they care about is the cheapest initial price. mike -- Return address is VALID. Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below. Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment Yaesu FTV901R Transverter, 30pS pulser Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head... http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/ |
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