"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve for the link.

One hell of a long story!

For the two manufactures devices to work together they must share a common
encryption system or know of each others "keys"

How long do you think it will take someone to crack a "key" and then set
up
a firewire PC card to at as a reciever and start ripping SACD????

There is already articles on the net about cracking the HDMI protection
for
HDTV's and source devices.

Time will only tell!

As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve for the link.

One hell of a long story!

For the two manufactures devices to work together they must share a common
encryption system or know of each others "keys"

How long do you think it will take someone to crack a "key" and then set
up
a firewire PC card to at as a reciever and start ripping SACD????

There is already articles on the net about cracking the HDMI protection
for
HDTV's and source devices.

Time will only tell!

As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve for the link.

One hell of a long story!

For the two manufactures devices to work together they must share a common
encryption system or know of each others "keys"

How long do you think it will take someone to crack a "key" and then set
up
a firewire PC card to at as a reciever and start ripping SACD????

There is already articles on the net about cracking the HDMI protection
for
HDTV's and source devices.

Time will only tell!

As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

"Charles Tomaras" writes:
[...]
As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

Yet ...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:
[...]
As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

Yet ...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:
[...]
As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

Yet ...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:
[...]
As it's been mentioned before, you need DSD converters to convert DSD. I
don't know of any firewire PC cards or PC software that will accomplish
this.

Yet ...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:43 +0100, "Bernt"
wrote:

It appears to be here already: A circuit that decodes multichannel DVD
and
SACD and deliveres PCM through 3x 2 channel S/PDIF at :
www.dvdupgrades.ch/

It's only a prototype at this time.

A direct link to the page describing it :

http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/150019/Mod...put_board.html

So this does not directly pass a DSD bitstream but instead converts it to
PCM. Probably be better off going analog and skipping the
transcoding/conversion process at this stage.

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:43 +0100, "Bernt"
wrote:

It appears to be here already: A circuit that decodes multichannel DVD
and
SACD and deliveres PCM through 3x 2 channel S/PDIF at :
www.dvdupgrades.ch/

It's only a prototype at this time.

A direct link to the page describing it :

http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/150019/Mod...put_board.html

So this does not directly pass a DSD bitstream but instead converts it to
PCM. Probably be better off going analog and skipping the
transcoding/conversion process at this stage.

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:43 +0100, "Bernt"
wrote:

It appears to be here already: A circuit that decodes multichannel DVD
and
SACD and deliveres PCM through 3x 2 channel S/PDIF at :
www.dvdupgrades.ch/

It's only a prototype at this time.

A direct link to the page describing it :

http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/150019/Mod...put_board.html

So this does not directly pass a DSD bitstream but instead converts it to
PCM. Probably be better off going analog and skipping the
transcoding/conversion process at this stage.

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:43 +0100, "Bernt"
wrote:

It appears to be here already: A circuit that decodes multichannel DVD
and
SACD and deliveres PCM through 3x 2 channel S/PDIF at :
www.dvdupgrades.ch/

It's only a prototype at this time.

A direct link to the page describing it :

http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/150019/Mod...put_board.html

So this does not directly pass a DSD bitstream but instead converts it to
PCM. Probably be better off going analog and skipping the
transcoding/conversion process at this stage.

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
What kind of digital stream are you looking for? If your receiver doesn't
have the ability to decode a DSD bitstream then you will have to have some
additional converter to convert from DSD to PCM which is what most of the
receivers out there deal with for digital. The higher end Denons have
actual
DSD converters in them.

I'm reading from comp.dsp. I dunno about rec.audio.tech, but in this group,
"you can't buy a box that does that" is no reason to call it a bad idea.

"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A conversion,
so why output the digital data?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A conversion,
so why output the digital data?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A conversion,
so why output the digital data?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you? Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A conversion,
so why output the digital data?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
...
"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you?
Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to
gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A
conversion,
so why output the digital data?

Not sure if you are being serious or tongue in cheek on this one. Personally
I sense quite a bit of "digital must be better" attitude by most of the
general public as they have been bamboozled by marketing departments of
electronics manufactures and cable companies for years. I'm no staunch
analogist, but the truth often lies somewhere in between. In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over quantity. In the
case of audio there seems to be many people out there that would unknowingly
sacrifice the actual sound quality of a high resolution analog output from
an SACD player because they think digital must be better even if it means
transcoding to PCM to make it happen. These same people will probably sit in
front of their stereos listening to the resultant audio while reading
literature about the 1-bit/ 2,800 thousand sample quality of DSD and not
realize they have for the most part negated that technology. I have to fight
these techno urges as well as they seem to affect all of us to some degree.
I'm quite pleased with the quality I'm getting via my analog connection from
my Denon DVD 2900 to my Denon 5803. When and if Denon enables true digital
transfer without transcoding to PCM I'll have to spend some time listening
and make a decision as to which sounds better. The only real argument for
all digital that makes lot's of sense right now is that it should simplify
bass management for many setups.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
...
"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you?
Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to
gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A
conversion,
so why output the digital data?

Not sure if you are being serious or tongue in cheek on this one. Personally
I sense quite a bit of "digital must be better" attitude by most of the
general public as they have been bamboozled by marketing departments of
electronics manufactures and cable companies for years. I'm no staunch
analogist, but the truth often lies somewhere in between. In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over quantity. In the
case of audio there seems to be many people out there that would unknowingly
sacrifice the actual sound quality of a high resolution analog output from
an SACD player because they think digital must be better even if it means
transcoding to PCM to make it happen. These same people will probably sit in
front of their stereos listening to the resultant audio while reading
literature about the 1-bit/ 2,800 thousand sample quality of DSD and not
realize they have for the most part negated that technology. I have to fight
these techno urges as well as they seem to affect all of us to some degree.
I'm quite pleased with the quality I'm getting via my analog connection from
my Denon DVD 2900 to my Denon 5803. When and if Denon enables true digital
transfer without transcoding to PCM I'll have to spend some time listening
and make a decision as to which sounds better. The only real argument for
all digital that makes lot's of sense right now is that it should simplify
bass management for many setups.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
...
"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you?
Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to
gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A
conversion,
so why output the digital data?

Not sure if you are being serious or tongue in cheek on this one. Personally
I sense quite a bit of "digital must be better" attitude by most of the
general public as they have been bamboozled by marketing departments of
electronics manufactures and cable companies for years. I'm no staunch
analogist, but the truth often lies somewhere in between. In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over quantity. In the
case of audio there seems to be many people out there that would unknowingly
sacrifice the actual sound quality of a high resolution analog output from
an SACD player because they think digital must be better even if it means
transcoding to PCM to make it happen. These same people will probably sit in
front of their stereos listening to the resultant audio while reading
literature about the 1-bit/ 2,800 thousand sample quality of DSD and not
realize they have for the most part negated that technology. I have to fight
these techno urges as well as they seem to affect all of us to some degree.
I'm quite pleased with the quality I'm getting via my analog connection from
my Denon DVD 2900 to my Denon 5803. When and if Denon enables true digital
transfer without transcoding to PCM I'll have to spend some time listening
and make a decision as to which sounds better. The only real argument for
all digital that makes lot's of sense right now is that it should simplify
bass management for many setups.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
...
"Charles Tomaras" writes:

"Anthony Preston" wrote in message
...
Thanks Bernt!

I was really hoping to see someone with a PC & firewire card and some
software acting like a reciever, not by passing the whole firewire
encryption scheme.

Well you can only wish!

Are you finding that the SACD player's analog output sounds bad to you?
Do
you really have a need for a digital connection? What do you hope to
gain by
this?

Of course nothing could ever improve over the SACD player's D/A
conversion,
so why output the digital data?

Not sure if you are being serious or tongue in cheek on this one. Personally
I sense quite a bit of "digital must be better" attitude by most of the
general public as they have been bamboozled by marketing departments of
electronics manufactures and cable companies for years. I'm no staunch
analogist, but the truth often lies somewhere in between. In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over quantity. In the
case of audio there seems to be many people out there that would unknowingly
sacrifice the actual sound quality of a high resolution analog output from
an SACD player because they think digital must be better even if it means
transcoding to PCM to make it happen. These same people will probably sit in
front of their stereos listening to the resultant audio while reading
literature about the 1-bit/ 2,800 thousand sample quality of DSD and not
realize they have for the most part negated that technology. I have to fight
these techno urges as well as they seem to affect all of us to some degree.
I'm quite pleased with the quality I'm getting via my analog connection from
my Denon DVD 2900 to my Denon 5803. When and if Denon enables true digital
transfer without transcoding to PCM I'll have to spend some time listening
and make a decision as to which sounds better. The only real argument for
all digital that makes lot's of sense right now is that it should simplify
bass management for many setups.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the
cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the
analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of
HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over
quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the
cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the
analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of
HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over
quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the
cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the
analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of
HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over
quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...
In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the
cable companies
to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the
analog signal
to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of
HDTV have the
cable companies had to start thinking about quality over
quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...

In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the

cable companies

to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the

analog signal

to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of

HDTV have the

cable companies had to start thinking about quality over

quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...

In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the

cable companies

to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the

analog signal

to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of

HDTV have the

cable companies had to start thinking about quality over

quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...

In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the

cable companies

to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the

analog signal

to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of

HDTV have the

cable companies had to start thinking about quality over

quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Charles Tomaras" wrote in message
...

In the case of
cable television, digital video is in reality a way for the

cable companies

to make more money by compressing every bit of life out of the

analog signal

to shove more channels down the pipe. Only with the advent of

HDTV have the

cable companies had to start thinking about quality over

quantity.

I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively
compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight
compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate
of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly
more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be
compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek
TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs
on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was
the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...

I wouldn't doubt it one bit. I've seen football games where
during a pass the football breaks into a big ol' blob of brown
macroblocks as soon as it leaves the quarterback's hands.

As for TNG - get the DVDs

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively
compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight
compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate
of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly
more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be
compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek
TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs
on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was
the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...

I wouldn't doubt it one bit. I've seen football games where
during a pass the football breaks into a big ol' blob of brown
macroblocks as soon as it leaves the quarterback's hands.

As for TNG - get the DVDs

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively
compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight
compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate
of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly
more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be
compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek
TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs
on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was
the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...

I wouldn't doubt it one bit. I've seen football games where
during a pass the football breaks into a big ol' blob of brown
macroblocks as soon as it leaves the quarterback's hands.

As for TNG - get the DVDs

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
I see your point but don't forget even HD is massively
compressed
from the original video.

A D5 studio master HD tape runs 235Mbps after slight
compression.

JVC DTheater prerecorded HD movies and DVHS recordings have a
maximum bitrate of 28.8Mbps.

ATSC standard over-the-air broadcast HD has a maximum bitrate
of
19.4Mbps.

HD on cable or satellite is usually compressed significantly
more
to squeeze more channels.

So even best case HD is compressed 8-12x from the original.

If that's the case then some of my satellite channels must be
compressed
100x from the original. The video quality of a recent Star Trek
TNG I
viewed (this is over DISH network) was horrid. Faces were blobs
on the
screen. It made me want to cancel my service. Perhaps this was
the source
quality and not channel compression, but still...

I wouldn't doubt it one bit. I've seen football games where
during a pass the football breaks into a big ol' blob of brown
macroblocks as soon as it leaves the quarterback's hands.

As for TNG - get the DVDs