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Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be forgiven.

Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at a place,
assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some such, but they turned
out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never heard of or saw this model before.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good working
condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what someone'll pay for them. But
I'm looking for some real-world data here.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers for someone, but
one would probably want to elevate them off the floor somehow.


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In article , David Nebenzahl wrote:
Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be forgiven.

Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at a place,
assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some such, but they turned
out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never heard of or saw this model before.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good working
condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what someone'll pay for them. But
I'm looking for some real-world data here.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers for someone, but
one would probably want to elevate them off the floor somehow.



First time I heard of them myself. Just got familiar with them a couple minutes ago.
The most important thing is condition, and if these had any special repair needs.
Some of these old speakers held up well, not having foam surrounds.

Just love those big old cabinets. For the non collector, I would guess
they are worth mabe $200-400.

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On 8/20/2010 11:36 AM GregS spake thus:

In article , David
Nebenzahl wrote:

Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be forgiven.

Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at a place,
assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some such, but they
turned out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never heard of or saw this
model before.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good working
condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what someone'll pay for them.
But I'm looking for some real-world data here.


First time I heard of them myself. Just got familiar with them a
couple minutes ago. The most important thing is condition, and if
these had any special repair needs. Some of these old speakers held
up well, not having foam surrounds.


They're in good condition, cosmetically at least, so there's a good
chance they work well too. The woofer surrounds are fabric, not foam,
and are completely intact.

Just love those big old cabinets. For the non collector, I would
guess they are worth mabe $200-400.


That's in line with what I thought and what they're asking for them.


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Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be forgiven.

Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at a place,
assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some such, but they turned
out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never heard of or saw this model before.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good working
condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what someone'll pay for them. But
I'm looking for some real-world data here.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers for someone, but
one would probably want to elevate them off the floor somehow.



http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/

There is a KLH speaker discussion group here which should be able to
answer or give an educated guess to your questions. Top topic at the
moment is about Model 12.

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Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be
forgiven.
Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at
a place, assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some
such, but they turned out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never
heard of or saw this model before.


Back in the day, I really liked how they sounded.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good
working condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what
someone'll pay for them. But I'm looking for some
real-world data here.


Check eBay and other audio autcion site closed auctions.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers
for someone, but one would probably want to elevate them
off the floor somehow.


They were intended to be floor-standing, check the classic speaker pages
ads:

http://www.classicspeakerpages.net/l...12_ad_earlier/




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On 8/22/2010 4:53 AM Arny Krueger spake thus:

"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
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Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be
forgiven.
Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday at
a place, assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or some
such, but they turned out to be KLH Model Twelves. Never
heard of or saw this model before.


Back in the day, I really liked how they sounded.


Good to know.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good
working condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what
someone'll pay for them. But I'm looking for some
real-world data here.


Check eBay and other audio autcion site closed auctions.


The reason I'm reluctant to go by eBay prices is that these would be so
dang hard (and expen$ive) to ship. I'm thinking more along the lines of
Craigslist, or of holding on to them for a while and finding a collector
willing to pay more.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers
for someone, but one would probably want to elevate them
off the floor somehow.


They were intended to be floor-standing, check the classic speaker pages
ads:


Yes, I know that; it's just that they'd probably sound better off the
floor, as unwieldy as that might be. Maybe on short platforms?


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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in
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Not exactly a tech question, I know, but I trust I'll be
forgiven.
Saw a pair of big old floor cabinet speakers yesterday
at a place, assumed they were Wharfedales or Jensens or
some such, but they turned out to be KLH Model Twelves.
Never heard of or saw this model before.


Back in the day, I really liked how they sounded.


Good to know.


I generally liked the sound of KLH speakers, though as close as I got to
owning any of them was a pair of larger Advents.

Does anyone know what they might be worth, assuming good
working condition? Yes, I know: they're worth what
someone'll pay for them. But I'm looking for some
real-world data here.


Check eBay and other audio autcion site closed auctions.


The reason I'm reluctant to go by eBay prices is that
these would be so dang hard (and expen$ive) to ship. I'm
thinking more along the lines of Craigslist, or of
holding on to them for a while and finding a collector
willing to pay more.


I'm just talking about price guidance.

They look as if they might make a good set of speakers
for someone, but one would probably want to elevate them
off the floor somehow.


They were intended to be floor-standing, check the
classic speaker pages ads:


Yes, I know that; it's just that they'd probably sound
better off the floor, as unwieldy as that might be. Maybe
on short platforms?


I hesitate to elevate speakers that were designed to be floor standers.

The lowest octave response of speakers is designed for aq certain space that
they work into. Some speakers are desgned for what is known as a half-space,
such as on a wall or in the middle of a floor. Others are designed for a
quarter-space such as the middle of a corner or near a floor or a ceiling. A
few speakers are designed for use in either a full space - suspended in the
middle of free space or an eigth-space which would be in a corner at the
floor or the ceiling. Using a speaker in a space other than the one that it
was properly designed can reasonably be expected to produce incorrect bass
response.


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Arny Krueger wrote:

I hesitate to elevate speakers that were designed to be floor standers.

The lowest octave response of speakers is designed for aq certain space that
they work into. Some speakers are desgned for what is known as a half-space,
such as on a wall or in the middle of a floor. Others are designed for a
quarter-space such as the middle of a corner or near a floor or a ceiling. A
few speakers are designed for use in either a full space - suspended in the
middle of free space or an eigth-space which would be in a corner at the
floor or the ceiling. Using a speaker in a space other than the one that it
was properly designed can reasonably be expected to produce incorrect bass
response.


You hit the nail on the head, however I doubt that more than a tiny
fraction of users understand the 'space' issue, e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_space


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Arny Krueger wrote:

I hesitate to elevate speakers that were designed to be floor standers.

The lowest octave response of speakers is designed for aq certain space
that they work into. Some speakers are desgned for what is known as a
half-space, such as on a wall or in the middle of a floor. Others are
designed for a quarter-space such as the middle of a corner or near a
floor or a ceiling. A few speakers are designed for use in either a full
space - suspended in the middle of free space or an eigth-space which
would be in a corner at the floor or the ceiling. Using a speaker in a
space other than the one that it was properly designed can reasonably be
expected to produce incorrect bass response.


You hit the nail on the head, however I doubt that more than a tiny
fraction of users understand the 'space' issue, e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_space


Graham


I have a friend whose house if full of small speakers about 6 inches in
diameter....He's got at least two of them in every room. He has one huge
woofer that's hidden behind and below the TV in his living room.....I think
it may be bolted to the floor, because you can hear the whole house shake if
the music contains the lows to do it. It really made me re evaluate my own
thoughts on speakers....All you really need is one good bolted down woofer,
and all the other speakers can be small and relatively cheap, and you get a
fantastic sound system.

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On 8/22/2010 4:53 AM Arny Krueger spake thus:

They were intended to be floor-standing, check the classic speaker
pages ads:


Yes, I know that; it's just that they'd probably sound better off the
floor


What makes you think that ?


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On 8/26/2010 5:55 PM Eeyore spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 8/22/2010 4:53 AM Arny Krueger spake thus:

They were intended to be floor-standing, check the classic speaker
pages ads:


Yes, I know that; it's just that they'd probably sound better off the
floor


What makes you think that ?


Intuition.

Granted, I don't have the technical knowledge about audio that you and
others here do, so I'm not looking to start an argument here. It's just
that to me, it seems counterintuitive to place any speaker on the floor
and expect good results. I remember the advice given back in the 70s and
80s: get those speakers off the floor!

It seems to me (again, my untutored intuition) that while low
frequencies would project fine with a woofer placed close to the floor,
anything higher--say, 400 Hz up--would suffer from such placement.

Of course, much depends on many factors: the floor covering, room
geometry, etc., etc. Carpeted floors can't be good for *any* speakers.

I'm certainly willing to be proven wrong here. It just has never seemed
like a good idea to me to put speakers on the floor, and I was frankly
surprised to run across this specimen of KLH speaker which was obviously
designed for that very placement.


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On 8/26/2010 5:55 PM Eeyore spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 8/22/2010 4:53 AM Arny Krueger spake thus:

They were intended to be floor-standing, check the
classic speaker pages ads:

Yes, I know that; it's just that they'd probably sound
better off the floor


What makes you think that ?


Intuition.

Granted, I don't have the technical knowledge about audio
that you and others here do, so I'm not looking to start
an argument here. It's just that to me, it seems
counterintuitive to place any speaker on the floor and
expect good results.


To you.

Speakers that are designed to be floor standing should be used that way.

I remember the advice given back in
the 70s and 80s: get those speakers off the floor!


That applied to speakers designed for bookshelf installation.

It seems to me (again, my untutored intuition) that while
low frequencies would project fine with a woofer placed
close to the floor, anything higher--say, 400 Hz
up--would suffer from such placement.


Not suffer, be changed.

Of course, much depends on many factors: the floor
covering, room geometry, etc., etc. Carpeted floors can't
be good for *any* speakers.


Simply not true.

I'm certainly willing to be proven wrong here. It just
has never seemed like a good idea to me to put speakers
on the floor, and I was frankly surprised to run across
this specimen of KLH speaker which was obviously designed
for that very placement.


That's the key - speakers need to be designed for specific postitioning, and
end-users need to make that one criteria for acquisition.


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