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However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic
Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's
arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic.


You have a keyboard and hands ?

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On 2014-12-06 19:30:57 -0800, flatfish+++ said:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:17:00 +1300, geoff wrote:

On 7/12/2014 8:57 a.m., Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:


Most of these 'sounds' are EXTERNAL to the core DAW itself, and are
third-party plug-ins which can be added to, replace, or deleted.

geoff


Here is a thread in GS discussing "sounds"...
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/musi...endations.html


Thanks, Flatfish.

Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those
collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds!

It could take me weeks to go through all those collections!

I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has
a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the
sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton
of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in
the thread.

What I'm looking for is collections I can download into Garageband and
test in Garageband by playing a note or a chord on my controller. Or
better yet, to be able to hear audio clips on the manufacturers' Web
sites by pressing the play button, like I can in the Apple site for
Logic Pro clips.

Also, I'm not interested in adjusting waveforms to come up with new
sounds. I'm looking for pre-set instrument sounds that I can just
play as they are (except for maybe boosting the reverb and echo or
adjusting the arpeggiator like I can do in Garageband to get an
instrument to sound better.

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On 2014-12-07 21:34:10 -0800, geoff said:

On 8/12/2014 6:30 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:


However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic
Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's
arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic.


You have a keyboard and hands ?

geoff


I don't have Logic Pro and there are no demos of it to download, so how
could I compare the Logic arpeggiator to Garageband's? DAW....

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Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put
it more simply, I don't like most of them.)


Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like,
then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around.

Or make your own samples.
--scott


I have softwa Garageband.

I considered buying Logic Pro, but have been assured in this thread
that I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs.

But I still need to add some swell instrument sounds to the software to
make those swell songs.

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On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote:
On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:


It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or
room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences.


Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions ....

And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity.
You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there.


Thanks, John.

Is Audacity as good as Garageband?

And by the way, are you the same John Willamson who hangs out in some
of the Mac newsgroups? If so, I'm surprised to see you here.

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On 2014-12-06 17:11:30 -0800, geoff said:

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Am I right that the version of Studio One for making pro-quality music
for publishing would be the $499 "Studio One 2 Professional" version?


Don't think that by purchasing an app with "professional" in the name
that any result will be professional.


Thanks, Geoff.

That's obvious. I'm not naive.

Pretty much ALL DAWs are capable of turning out professional quality results.

The 'instrument sounds' that come bundled with some DAWs are often just
something to get you started, though some are quite comprehensive. When
you get serious you can purchase third-party VSTi instruments and
libraries of sounds.


I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated
that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference?

And another option is to record real instruments ;-)


That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras
with my DAW.

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On 2014-12-07 07:04:13 -0800, flatfish+++ said:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:44:45 -0800, Tom Evans wrote:


What I mean is: Instead of spending $325 for Studio One Professional 2
and then having to spend a lot of time shopping for maybe another $325
to add more instrument sounds to Stuido One for a total of about maybe
$700 or $800, can't I just buy insturment sounds to add to Garageband
for less money than that, since I'm being advised strongly here not to
change my music-making program.

I don't like most of the sounds that come with Garageband and
Mainstage, so I'm looking for a better package of instrument sounds
that I can add to Garageband, if that's feasible.

Tom


Got it!
I would spend the money on sounds and instruments.

The included sounds with just about every DAW are variable.
Some are really good and others not so much.
Also it depends upon what kind of music you are creating.
Someone doing jazz or classical might want realistic sounding
instruments vs someone doing electronic music might want sounds that
don't sound realistic but are unique.


I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk,
ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country,
experimental, disco, blues, etcetera.

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Alluding to musical skills like physically playing arpeggios on a
keyboard - perhaps not quite where you are coming from.

I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated
that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference?


Many instrument come with basic (or not so basic) sounds which can be
samples, synthesied, or a mixture.

You can get separate libraries of samples or synth ptaches to augment
the included ones.


And another option is to record real instruments ;-)


That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras
with my DAW.


Real live sound and players have no chance then ;-)

But seriously, I think you need to dive into some magasines to get a
good basic grounding which you seem to be lacking. I guess they are all
available online now. Sound On Sound is. Do Computer Music and
Electrponic Musician still exist?

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On 2014-12-07 23:46:17 -0800, geoff said:

On 8/12/2014 8:27 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:
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Alluding to musical skills like physically playing arpeggios on a
keyboard - perhaps not quite where you are coming from.


Say what?

I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated
that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference?


Many instrument come with basic (or not so basic) sounds which can be
samples, synthesied, or a mixture.

You can get separate libraries of samples or synth ptaches to augment
the included ones.


And another option is to record real instruments ;-)


That's unnecessary for me because I have access to digital orchestras
with my DAW.


Real live sound and players have no chance then ;-)


Funny guy.

But seriously, I think you need to dive into some magasines to get a
good basic grounding which you seem to be lacking. I guess they are all
available online now. Sound On Sound is. Do Computer Music and
Electrponic Musician still exist?

geoff


Never heard of Electroponic Musician. I haven't read any magazine
music articles for several years. If I read magazine articles, I
prefer them to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man.

I know I need to learn many basics by reading magazines that takes so
much time. I'd rather just dive in head first and make music and
learn as I go along.

Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my
much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered
by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon,
Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby.

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Never heard of Electroponic Musician. I haven't read any magazine music
articles for several years. If I read magazine articles, I prefer them
to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man.


Make that "Electronic Musician". Um Mac magasines ?!!! You want to
learn about music try music magasines. Restricting your scope to Mac
magasines will give you a very blinkered and narrow view of things,
especially cult ones.


I know I need to learn many basics by reading magazines that takes so
much time.


So does learning music or an instrument.

I'd rather just dive in head first and make music and learn
as I go along.


Learning by mistakes is one way of doing it. Opinions vary on which way
is best.


Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my
much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered
by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon,
Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby.


Congratulations. I've been making music and recording for over 30 years
and haven't released one yet ;-( . On the other hand, I've never tried
to. But I do know what I'm doing, and I do know that it (the musical
side at least) isn't that great.

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I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.

Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then.
A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10
gigabytes and over a grand in money.


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On 08/12/2014 07:10, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote:
On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:


It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or
room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences.

Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions ....

And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity.
You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there.


Thanks, John.

Is Audacity as good as Garageband?

As I've never used Garageband, I couldn't say.

And by the way, are you the same John Willamson who hangs out in some of
the Mac newsgroups? If so, I'm surprised to see you here.

He's not me. I'm strictly non-Apple (not even an iPhone) for many
reasons including not liking their walled garden approach to software.

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On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.

Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then.
A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10
gigabytes and over a grand in money.


I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a
few superlative ones would be fine.

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On 2014-12-07 21:34:10 -0800, geoff said:

On 8/12/2014 6:30 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:


However, I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic
Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's
arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic.


You have a keyboard and hands ?

geoff


I don't have Logic Pro and there are no demos of it to download, so how
could I compare the Logic arpeggiator to Garageband's? DAW....

Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not
text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few
hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety
of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to
program on a DAW.


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On 08/12/2014 07:04, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 06:50:32 -0800, Scott Dorsey said:

Tom Evans wrote:

Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put
it more simply, I don't like most of them.)


Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like,
then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around.

Or make your own samples.
--scott


I have softwa Garageband.

I considered buying Logic Pro, but have been assured in this thread that
I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs.

You don't *need* any particular program to make pro-quality songs. What
you need is talent and patience, and a basic recording setup.

People have been making music for Centuries without computers, and
recording stuff for decades using various recording technologies. The
only thing they all have in common is a need to make music for others to
hear. If you have that need, then you will find a way to do the job with
whatever you've got.

But I still need to add some swell instrument sounds to the software to
make those swell songs.

See above. It's quite possible to make very good music using cheesy
stuff like a Roland drum machine and a Casio keyboard, if you're
talented enough. I've heard a pair of musicians make good sounds with a
keyboard, a guitar, two voices and a "Band in a box" machine. It was
just a shame they started their set with "Smoke On The Water"...


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On 08/12/2014 08:53, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.

Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then.
A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over
10 gigabytes and over a grand in money.


I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few
superlative ones would be fine.

That's your problem right there. The reason the best collections are big
is because they have many layers and many styles of playing which the
smaller sets can't have by definition. The reason they're expensive is
because making a decent sample set is hard, painstaking work. You get
what you pay for, mostly.


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On 8/12/2014 9:54 p.m., John Williamson wrote:


Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not
text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few
hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety
of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to
program on a DAW.




..... and they won't sound like a machine. Of course it is equally valid
if you actually WANT it to sound like that. But everybody else's can
sound exactly like that too, with little effort.

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some swell instrument sounds to the software to
make those swell songs.

See above. It's quite possible to make very good music using cheesy
stuff like a Roland drum machine and a Casio keyboard, if you're
talented enough. I've heard a pair of musicians make good sounds with a
keyboard, a guitar, two voices and a "Band in a box" machine. It was
just a shame they started their set with "Smoke On The Water"...



Just heard on the radio today a dude called Johnny Random, who makes
amazing music with a bicycle !

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...-johnny-random

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I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.


All in a single purchase? For $50 or less? Adjust your dreams or your
budget. And give yourself a few years to see how these things work
together and how they don't. Unless you have some really amazing talent,
you don't get to be a orchestator, engineer, producer, and mixer from a
newsgroup posting.

You might start asking around in the rec.music.makers.synth newsgroup.
Around here, when we need what you're looking for, we find live musicians.



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I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few
superlative ones would be fine.


I don't need 400 TV channels, either, but they won't let me buy just a
few superlative ones.

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I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated
that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference?


There isn't just a single sound that a piano or a violin or a tuba or an
electronic drum makes. A good sample "library" will have many versions
of each instrument played in different ways, over different ranges (you
don't just play middle C, shift the pitch up and down the scale, and
have a piano), and at different volumes. So your "Steinway 8 foot Grand
Piano" is actually a library of sounds from a single piano. A good VSTI
will detect things like the MIDI velocity and pick the sounds from the
library that sound like a piano played with that touch. Since real piano
players play with dynamics, throughout a song, there may be a number of
different samples of the same piano playing the same note.

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Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my
much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered
by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon,
Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby.


Have you paid off the with the royalties Lexus yet?

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I don't know if Garageband's Arpreggiator is as good as Logic
Pro's, though. I read that many fellows praised Logic Pro 10's
arpreggiator. They seemed to think that was the best feature of Logic.


You have a keyboard and hands ?


I suspect that he may not be actually playing music with his hands.
Garage Band can be pretty useful, but it's mostly for people who don't
actually play, but know how to work with computers.

Note my message tag line below:

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Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those
collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds!


Maybe you should start reading magazines like Electronic MUSICIAN or
Keyboard instead of Mac computer magazines.

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On 12/8/2014 3:53 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few
superlative ones would be fine.


I don't need 400 TV channels, either, but they won't let me buy just a
few superlative ones.


I noticed that too lol !

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On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 22:56:30 -0800, Tom Evans wrote:

On 2014-12-06 19:30:57 -0800, flatfish+++ said:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:17:00 +1300, geoff wrote:

On 7/12/2014 8:57 a.m., Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:


Most of these 'sounds' are EXTERNAL to the core DAW itself, and are
third-party plug-ins which can be added to, replace, or deleted.

geoff


Here is a thread in GS discussing "sounds"...
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/musi...endations.html


Thanks, Flatfish.

Wow, that's quite a list! I haven't even heard of most of those
collections of sounds. Sounds like some obscure collections of sounds!


Actually many of those "sounds" are used to make the music you are
listening to on the radio.


It could take me weeks to go through all those collections!


Welcome to the world of electronic music.
That's just the way it is.

If you want a well rounded collection with just about every kind of
sound known to mankind, get Komplete. Even the lighter versions cover
just about all bases.
However, you will still have to fish through the thousands of sounds
to find what you are looking for although they are grouped for easy
searching.

If you are looking for free, try this site:

http://www.vstwarehouse.com/





I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has
a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the
sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton
of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in
the thread.


Sounds like you need to hire a band because if you are not willing to
take the time to learn the program properly, it's highly unlikely you
will ever find what you are looking for.


What I'm looking for is collections I can download into Garageband and
test in Garageband by playing a note or a chord on my controller. Or
better yet, to be able to hear audio clips on the manufacturers' Web
sites by pressing the play button, like I can in the Apple site for
Logic Pro clips.

Also, I'm not interested in adjusting waveforms to come up with new
sounds. I'm looking for pre-set instrument sounds that I can just
play as they are (except for maybe boosting the reverb and echo or
adjusting the arpeggiator like I can do in Garageband to get an
instrument to sound better.

Tom


All of that takes time.
There is no magic wand.
About the best you can hope for is that when you purchase high
quality ($$$$$) libraries, the pre-set sounds are usually quite good
and tweaking the sound is not a necessity.

What you do is spend the time locating the instruments you are likely
to use for your music and then set up templates in your DAW to
automatically load those instruments to the appropriate tracks.


Another alternative is to purchase a hardware module like the Roland
Integra -7 which has more sounds than most people can use in a
lifetime.

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1245/462


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I was planning to buy the software I think I would like (Logic Pro) and
I think the sounds in that might be sufficient so that I wouldn't feel
the need to buy more sounds.


Try the demo of Logic Pro and see if you like it.

But I've been urged in this thread to stick with Garageband and buy
sounds for it.


No matter what you use, you're probably going to have to buy samples
from someplace else. The nice thing about it, though, is that if you
get a license for, say, the Vitous String library, you can use it with
a variety of different applications.
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Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres Ð orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.

Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then.
A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over 10
gigabytes and over a grand in money.


I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a
few superlative ones would be fine.


I have yet to hear a superlative synthesized string section. That is one
of the things (along with cymbals) that you first want to dub in live.
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On 2014-12-07 07:04:13 -0800, flatfish+++ said:

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:44:45 -0800, Tom Evans wrote:


What I mean is: Instead of spending $325 for Studio One Professional 2
and then having to spend a lot of time shopping for maybe another $325
to add more instrument sounds to Stuido One for a total of about maybe
$700 or $800, can't I just buy insturment sounds to add to Garageband
for less money than that, since I'm being advised strongly here not to
change my music-making program.

I don't like most of the sounds that come with Garageband and
Mainstage, so I'm looking for a better package of instrument sounds
that I can add to Garageband, if that's feasible.

Tom


Got it!
I would spend the money on sounds and instruments.

The included sounds with just about every DAW are variable.
Some are really good and others not so much.
Also it depends upon what kind of music you are creating.
Someone doing jazz or classical might want realistic sounding
instruments vs someone doing electronic music might want sounds that
don't sound realistic but are unique.


I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres €“ orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk,
ambient, funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country,
experimental, disco, blues, etcetera.

Tom


If you want all of that and you want all of it to be genuinely good, you
face the need to accept what that costs. You want it all, basically, and
the good stuff is not cheap.

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On 08/12/2014 08:53, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-08 00:46:43 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 08/12/2014 07:45, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm looking a splendid sound library for a variety of realistic and
unique sounds for a variety of genres €“ orchestral, classical guitars,
brass, choir, electronic, soft rock, hard rock, new wave, folk, ambient,
funk, hip-hop, jazz, house, rap, reggae, country, experimental, disco,
blues, etcetera.

Hope you've got lots of storage space and money available, then.
A`decent set of orchestral string samples on its own can run to over
10 gigabytes and over a grand in money.


I don't need the world's finest, big collection of strings -- just a few
superlative ones would be fine.

That's your problem right there. The reason the best collections are big
is because they have many layers and many styles of playing which the
smaller sets can't have by definition. The reason they're expensive is
because making a decent sample set is hard, painstaking work. You get
what you pay for, mostly.


What John said.

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If I read magazine articles, I
prefer them to be Mac mazagines cuz I'm a Mac man.


I think we are suggesting you read about musical composition using
sample libraries, which has nothing to do with choice of computer
platform.

Essentially what you face is that you want to buy Armani for a WalMart
price. That is not going to happen.

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On 2014-12-07 08:04:46 -0800, Peter Larsen said:

"Scott Dorsey" skrev i en meddelelse
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Tom Evans wrote:


Most of the Kontakt sounds are not my cup of soup style-wise. (To put
it more simply, I don't like most of them.)


Then purchase a third-party sample library. Pick the software you like,
then purchase sounds for it, not the other way around.


Or make your own samples.


Good that the coffee still is in the kitchen


What?


I think you do not grasp how sample libraries are constructed. Peter is
thanking the coffee gods for not having gotten him a mouthful of java
before reading Scott's suggestion. Cleaning one's keyboard consumes
valuable time, not to mention the waste of coffee.

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I don't need Logic Pro to make pro-quality soongs


Making "pro quality songs" requires nothing more than writing worthy
material. Fail that and all the tech in the world makes no difference.
Beautifully orchestrated ****ty songs are still ****ty songs. Succeed at
composition and all you need is a voice and an instrument.

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I downloaded Zebralette after reading that thread. But Zebraletter has
a complex, 26-page manaul and requires a separate program to hear the
sounds and it requires all sorts of adjusttments that would take a ton
of time just of test that one collection out of the dozens listed in
the thread.


You seem to think driving a freight train should be as easy as pushing a
tinkertoy around the sandbox.

If you want it both cheap and lazy you may have come to the wrong
hangout here. Doing this work well requires learning about the tools,
saving the money for good ones, and investing the time/work it takes to
become proficient. Even when all that is in place, the results still
fall or stand on the quality of your compositions, which has exactly
nothing to do wth anyone's sample library.

It could take me weeks to go through all those collections!


If you are looking for sympathy you won't find that here. I started
working to learn guitar in 1959. I still work to learn guitar nearly
every damn day. And I still get better, nearly every damn day. Unless I
stick my finger into a table saw, and then I must begin anew in certain
ergonomic aspects.

The path of the dilettante is level and smooth, in general, but the way
of the warrior offers considerably more challenge, not to mention the
cost of the boots.

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If you want it both cheap and lazy you may have come to the wrong
hangout here. Doing this work well requires learning about the tools,
saving the money for good ones, and investing the time/work it takes to
become proficient. Even when all that is in place, the results still
fall or stand on the quality of your compositions, which has exactly
nothing to do wth anyone's sample library.


On the other hand, doing it cheap and lazy worked for Los Del Rio with
the Macarena....

The path of the dilettante is level and smooth, in general, but the way
of the warrior offers considerably more challenge, not to mention the
cost of the boots.


When I grow up I want to be a dilettante.
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On 2014-12-08 04:27:56 -0800, Mike Rivers said:

On 12/8/2014 3:17 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
Instead of reading magazines, I've already published my
much-unanticipated debut single that I made using Garageband, mastered
by Diskmakers and available since September on Itunes, Amazon,
Soundcloud, Spotfiy and C.D. Baby.


Have you paid off the with the royalties Lexus yet?


I didn't write -- or even vaguely imply -- that I had made much money
from the song.

You clearly have a vivid imagination, but poor reading skills, based of
that wild misinterpretation.

Also, that snide sarcastm is impolite.

Tom


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On 12/8/2014 2:27 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I'm confused; I'm looking for instrument sounds, but you've separated
that into instruments and libraries of sounds. What's the difference?


There isn't just a single sound that a piano or a violin or a tuba or
an electronic drum makes. A good sample "library" will have many
versions of each instrument played in different ways, over different
ranges (you don't just play middle C, shift the pitch up and down the
scale, and have a piano), and at different volumes. So your "Steinway 8
foot Grand Piano" is actually a library of sounds from a single piano.
A good VSTI will detect things like the MIDI velocity and pick the
sounds from the library that sound like a piano played with that touch.
Since real piano players play with dynamics, throughout a song, there
may be a number of different samples of the same piano playing the same
note.


I thought that velocity and touch-sensitivity are determined by the
computer program and keyboard, as the MIDI interprets how hard and fast
you hit the keys on the keyboard.

Tony

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On 2014-12-08 00:50:52 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 08/12/2014 07:10, Tom Evans wrote:
On 2014-12-07 01:37:45 -0800, John Williamson said:

On 07/12/2014 09:19, geoff wrote:
On 7/12/2014 6:07 p.m., Tom Evans wrote:


It's not a matter of speakers, amplifier, headphones, soundcard or
room. I think it's more a matter of my preferences.

Luckily, most VSTis and sample libraries have free demo versions ....

And if you're on a tight budget, most VSTis can be used with Audacity.
You lose the pretty graphics, but the functionality is all there.


Thanks, John.

Is Audacity as good as Garageband?

As I've never used Garageband, I couldn't say.


Thanks, John.

If Audacity isn't better than Garageband, I won't bother to learn Audacity.

It already took me a lot of work and time to learn Garageband, so if I
swtich programs, I want to learn a program that's vastly superior to
Garageband.

There's no point in investing time and effort into learning a program
that does the same things that my current program can do.

Tom


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On 2014-12-08 02:17:26 -0800, geoff said:

On 8/12/2014 9:54 p.m., John Williamson wrote:


Geoff's point was that if you have a decent keyboard (As in music, not
text), it's not hard to play an arpreggio, and once you've spent a few
hours learning how to do it properly, you then have an amazing variety
of techniques available which are either impossible or difficult to
program on a DAW.




.... and they won't sound like a machine. Of course it is equally valid
if you actually WANT it to sound like that. But everybody else's can
sound exactly like that too, with little effort.

geoff


Thanks, John and Geoff.

I didn't know about that diference in quality.

Tom

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On 12/8/2014 10:33 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
I think it's more logical to read magazines that are tailored to
music-making using the Apple operating system because Apple is one
operating system out of several. There's no point in reading articles
that don't fit that Apple category, because I can't apply information
about hardware and software that's designeed for -- or is preferential
to -- other operating systems.


While some programs are platform-specific, there are many that have both
Mac and Windows versions, though most reviews that you'll find will be
for one or the other version because that's the kind of computer the
reviewer owns. Sounds, on the other hand, are quite often generic - any
program that will support VST instruments will support any of them. And
that's one of the most common formats for instrument sounds.

You'd know that if you studied the technology and didn't have your head
buried in your Mac.

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