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Midiman Flying Cow
Hey All;
I have one of these and I was wondering what the specs were on it. It's a "Revision G" board inside. I have seen measurements from a Rev B and E Cow board but not the G. Would they be much different? I haven't really used it much but I was thinking of selling my Focusrite Twintrak (with A/D card) and buying another FMR RNP and using it with the Flying Cow. Would there be a drastic difference in A/D quality between the Focusrite's A/D converter and the Cow's? I also have a Tascam FW1804, would the converters in that be a better bet than the Cow's? Thanks; Steve |
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Midiman Flying Cow
Steve wrote:
I was thinking of selling my Focusrite Twintrak (with A/D card) and buying another FMR RNP and using it with the Flying Cow. Would there be a drastic difference in A/D quality between the Focusrite's A/D converter and the Cow's? I also have a Tascam FW1804, would the converters in that be a better bet than the Cow's? You have all this stuff. Why don't you compare them yourself? I don't expect that there would be a significant difference between converters of about the same price and generation. That's not to say that you wouldn't hear a difference between them, but that there isn't likely to be a clear winner. Trust what you hear, not what you read. The RNP is nice, but what do you think it will give you that your TwinTrak doesn't? There's a lot of useful stuff in that box, and cool meters, too. Why not keep the TwinTrak and buy an RNP. You can always use that instead of the Focusrite preamp if you want some variety. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Midiman Flying Cow
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:4tZzk.362$8v5.64@trnddc01... Steve wrote: I was thinking of selling my Focusrite Twintrak (with A/D card) and buying another FMR RNP and using it with the Flying Cow. Would there be a drastic difference in A/D quality between the Focusrite's A/D converter and the Cow's? I also have a Tascam FW1804, would the converters in that be a better bet than the Cow's? You have all this stuff. Why don't you compare them yourself? Guess I could? I don't expect that there would be a significant difference between converters of about the same price and generation. That's not to say that you wouldn't hear a difference between them, but that there isn't likely to be a clear winner. Trust what you hear, not what you read. The RNP is nice, but what do you think it will give you that your TwinTrak doesn't? There's a lot of useful stuff in that box, and cool meters, too. The TwinTrak has always had a place here and a special place in my heart. Remember the first piece of gear you ever bought and thought "At this price this must be REALLY GOOD"?? The Twintrak was it for me. I have never used it for more than a stereo preamp (for my NT5 drum overheads)--SPDIF -- DAW and DAW--SPDIF --monitoring. I have never used the mid scoop or compressor. I am more of a DAW person for that kind of processing. Yes I like the metering as well. :-) I was considering selling the TwinTrak for a Mackie 800R as well but we'll see. I am using a Behringer ADA8000 now as an expansion unit for my FW1804 and it does ok for those "extra channels" when needed. I am looking into making some improvements to my gear in between projects but room treatment seems to be the cloud over everything. Thanks! Steve Why not keep the TwinTrak and buy an RNP. You can always use that instead of the Focusrite preamp if you want some variety. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Midiman Flying Cow
"Steve" wrote in message
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:4tZzk.362$8v5.64@trnddc01... Steve wrote: I was thinking of selling my Focusrite Twintrak (with A/D card) and buying another FMR RNP and using it with the Flying Cow. Would there be a drastic difference in A/D quality between the Focusrite's A/D converter and the Cow's? No. Might even be the same chips. I also have a Tascam FW1804, would the converters in that be a better bet than the Cow's? You have all this stuff. Why don't you compare them yourself? Guess I could? Sure - ever hear of the Audio Rightmark (freeware)? I don't expect that there would be a significant difference between converters of about the same price and generation. That's not to say that you wouldn't hear a difference between them, but that there isn't likely to be a clear winner. Trust what you hear, not what you read. Furthermore, if memory serves the advantage of the later Flying Cow versions over the earlier one was not about converters. Same chips, regardless. A lot of the improvement was due to a better implementation of a mixed-signal circuit card and the supporting circuitry. |
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Midiman Flying Cow
Steve wrote:
I am looking into making some improvements to my gear in between projects but room treatment seems to be the cloud over everything. Actually, the cloud is unfortunate listening circumstances, and room treatment is the silver lining. Your ability to judge the performance of your gear and the results of your practices will improve significantly with proper room treatment. -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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Midiman Flying Cow
Arny;
I downloaded Audio Rightmark and started playing. I have seen results from it posted before but never bothered to look into what program was generating them. Thought you might be interested in my findings: From the manufacturer's specs my Twintrak's D/A has the best dynamic range at 111db so I decided to use it to test the Flying Cow and the A/D card in the TwinTrak. I tested the Cow First. M-Audio Lists the Dynamic range as 102db in the docs. I connected it with balanced 3 foot 1/4" cables to the Twintrak and came up with 106.1 and 106.0. I then tested the AD card in the Twintrak which is 110 in the documentation and it came up as 107.8 both times in my tests. Makes one consider the "don't let the numbers fool you" advice we've all once been told. Cheers Steve "Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Steve" wrote in message "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:4tZzk.362$8v5.64@trnddc01... Steve wrote: I was thinking of selling my Focusrite Twintrak (with A/D card) and buying another FMR RNP and using it with the Flying Cow. Would there be a drastic difference in A/D quality between the Focusrite's A/D converter and the Cow's? No. Might even be the same chips. I also have a Tascam FW1804, would the converters in that be a better bet than the Cow's? You have all this stuff. Why don't you compare them yourself? Guess I could? Sure - ever hear of the Audio Rightmark (freeware)? I don't expect that there would be a significant difference between converters of about the same price and generation. That's not to say that you wouldn't hear a difference between them, but that there isn't likely to be a clear winner. Trust what you hear, not what you read. Furthermore, if memory serves the advantage of the later Flying Cow versions over the earlier one was not about converters. Same chips, regardless. A lot of the improvement was due to a better implementation of a mixed-signal circuit card and the supporting circuitry. |
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Midiman Flying Cow
"Steve" wrote in message
Arny; I downloaded Audio Rightmark and started playing. I have seen results from it posted before but never bothered to look into what program was generating them. Thought you might be interested in my findings: I am. From the manufacturer's specs my Twintrak's D/A has the best dynamic range at 111db so I decided to use it to test the Flying Cow and the A/D card in the TwinTrak. I tested the Cow First. M-Audio Lists the Dynamic range as 102db in the docs. I connected it with balanced 3 foot 1/4" cables to the Twintrak and came up with 106.1 and 106.0. Not bad. I then tested the AD card in the Twintrak which is 110 in the documentation and it came up as 107.8 both times in my tests. Again, not bad. Makes one consider the "don't let the numbers fool you" advice we've all once been told. Variations like this are meaningless, given that they are both better than 100 dB. You get extra points for noticing signfiicant differences in the shapes of the noise floors. There probably aren't any. Remember, it is very rare to make a recording with more than 75 dB dynamic range. A converter with 100 dB dynamic range contributes far less than 1 dB to 75 dB dynamic range - probably a few tenths. Bottom line, you've got more important things to worry about. ;-) |
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