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On 04/10/2020 02:15, geoff wrote:
https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Nicked for a pro audio forum I follow on Farcebook. Some of themmight actually believe it... ;-) -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford |
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Ty Ford wrote:
On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... |
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On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 6:15:22 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff I always get better mileage driving down to San Diego from Los Angeles than I do driving back up. I met Fred Ampel decades ago. He gave me the expression "Fire Bottle". The Brits call them "valves". ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." |
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On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 1:35:49 PM UTC-4, Roy W. Rising wrote:
On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 6:15:22 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff I always get better mileage driving down to San Diego from Los Angeles than I do driving back up. I met Fred Ampel decades ago. He gave me the expression "Fire Bottle". The Brits call them "valves". ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Mr. Rising!! So good to see your name on my screen! Cheers! Ty Ford |
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My theory about cables is that they are long and skinny. This is because
if they were short and fat they would not go all the way. They are made with connectors at either end, but they are never the right connectors. This is why there is a bag of adaptors next to the bag of cables. Cables are transmission lines except what they are not. That is my theory about cables. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 2020-10-04 15:21:33 +0000, Ralph Barone said:
Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Everybody knows that you should ultrasonically weld the layer of silver onto the copper wire. Electroplating uses up all the free electrons. |
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On 6/10/2020 10:46 am, Michael Beacom wrote:
On 2020-10-04 15:21:33 +0000, Ralph Barone said: Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Everybody knows that you should ultrasonically weld the layer of silver onto the copper wire. Electroplating uses up all the free electrons. Extends the HF response too. geoff |
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On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote:
Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Is that what is referred to as "floater"? I'm a noobee, I dunno. I like fast bass anyways. sTEEVEE |
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 06:50:11 -0700 (PDT), sTeeVee
wrote: On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote: Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Is that what is referred to as "floater"? I'm a noobee, I dunno. I like fast bass anyways. sTEEVEE Neglect of those tired electrons that have to battle against gravity crawling back down the return wire to the amp? That won't do. I'm not a fan of fast bass. I find the last few bars of the tune lack a certain depth when the bass player has already packed up and gone home. d -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 06:50:11 -0700 (PDT), sTeeVee wrote: On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote: Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for ?ofast?ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Is that what is referred to as "floater"? I'm a noobee, I dunno. I like fast bass anyways. sTEEVEE Neglect of those tired electrons that have to battle against gravity crawling back down the return wire to the amp? That won't do. By the by Cardas speculates that electrons are not traveling thru the wire, but that they pulse (bump each other) sending the signal through.?? |
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 20:07:11 -0700, "Brutus"
wrote: "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 06:50:11 -0700 (PDT), sTeeVee wrote: On Sunday, October 4, 2020 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-4, Ralph Barone wrote: Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for ?ofast?ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... Is that what is referred to as "floater"? I'm a noobee, I dunno. I like fast bass anyways. sTEEVEE Neglect of those tired electrons that have to battle against gravity crawling back down the return wire to the amp? That won't do. By the by Cardas speculates that electrons are not traveling thru the wire, but that they pulse (bump each other) sending the signal through.?? Cardas was wrong too. The power is sent along the wire at near light speed by an travelling electromagnetic wave. The minute movement of the electrons is an almost insignificant by-product. d -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 07/10/2020 04:07, Brutus wrote:
By the by Cardas speculates that electrons are not traveling thru the wire, but that they pulse (bump each other) sending the signal through.?? It's not a bad analogy, the electrons do travel through the wire, but at any reasonable current density, they only travel at about walking speed, pushing the ones in front along so that the effective speed of the electricity transfer is almost light speed. The pushing is by the repulsion between their negative charges. Just a different way of looking at Don Pearce's electomagnetic force. At 60Hz AC, the electrons "jiggle" a distance of an inch or two about a central point. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:02:58 +0100, John Williamson
wrote: On 07/10/2020 04:07, Brutus wrote: By the by Cardas speculates that electrons are not traveling thru the wire, but that they pulse (bump each other) sending the signal through.?? It's not a bad analogy, the electrons do travel through the wire, but at any reasonable current density, they only travel at about walking speed, pushing the ones in front along so that the effective speed of the electricity transfer is almost light speed. The pushing is by the repulsion between their negative charges. Just a different way of looking at Don Pearce's electomagnetic force. At 60Hz AC, the electrons "jiggle" a distance of an inch or two about a central point. You're overestimating electron drift velocity possibly a thousandfold. d -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Brutus wrote:
By the by Cardas speculates that electrons are not traveling thru the wire, but that they pulse (bump each other) sending the signal through.?? It's not speculation. By the end of the 19th century it became clear that electron flow was much slower than the speed of a wave travelling through a wire. This is the discovery that pretty much started the whole field of solid state physics. Thinking of it as electrons bumping one another isn't really all that accurate a model; electrons aren't physical things that occupy a constant space. But it's a reasonable enough way to think of it and good enough for engineering purposes. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/10/2020 3:44 am, Don Pearce wrote:
I'm not a fan of fast bass. I find the last few bars of the tune lack a certain depth when the bass player has already packed up and gone home. Yep, I could never understand why anybody would want the bass player to play faster than the rest of the group anyway? Or the drummer. Keep in time people! |
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In article , Trevor wrote:
On 7/10/2020 3:44 am, Don Pearce wrote: I'm not a fan of fast bass. I find the last few bars of the tune lack a certain depth when the bass player has already packed up and gone home. Yep, I could never understand why anybody would want the bass player to play faster than the rest of the group anyway? Or the drummer. Keep in time people! "Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... In article , Trevor wrote: On 7/10/2020 3:44 am, Don Pearce wrote: I'm not a fan of fast bass. I find the last few bars of the tune lack a certain depth when the bass player has already packed up and gone home. Yep, I could never understand why anybody would want the bass player to play faster than the rest of the group anyway? Or the drummer. Keep in time people! "Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott ROTFLMAO. Poly -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Their 1959 "See You in September" gives me warm memories. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." |
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On 9/10/2020 5:14 am, Roy W. Rising wrote:
"Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Their 1959 "See You in September" gives me warm memories. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Never heard (or of) it. Now just had to look it up. First impression is that the male-voice chorus is out in a different part of the building ;- ) geoff ! |
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On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 2:30:26 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 9/10/2020 5:14 am, Roy W. Rising wrote: "Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Their 1959 "See You in September" gives me warm memories. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Never heard (or of) it. Now just had to look it up. First impression is that the male-voice chorus is out in a different part of the building ;- ) geoff ! It's a male group. The four voices are on-mic throughout. The lead vocal 'steps in' a little during the solos. I really can't understand your impression. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." |
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On 10/10/2020 5:17 am, Roy W. Rising wrote:
On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 2:30:26 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote: On 9/10/2020 5:14 am, Roy W. Rising wrote: "Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Their 1959 "See You in September" gives me warm memories. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Never heard (or of) it. Now just had to look it up. First impression is that the male-voice chorus is out in a different part of the building ;- ) geoff ! It's a male group. The four voices are on-mic throughout. The lead vocal 'steps in' a little during the solos. I really can't understand your impression. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Well it was only Youtube on a laptop, but to me it sounded like the others were kicked out to another room in the choruses. Maybe stepping up caused the effect, which I noticed, and which by your signature definition is 'wrong'. geoff |
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geoff wrote:
https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff " ... to avoid the debilitating nature of skin effects...." -- Les Cargill |
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Ralph Barone wrote:
Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS .... if they "weigh" at all. I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... "Ladies and gentlemen, attention please Come in close so everyone can see I got a tale to tell A listen don't cost a dime And if you believe that we're gonna get along just fine" - Snake Oil, Steve Earle. Snake oil is an important component of Americana. Wasn't for snake oil... -- Les Cargill |
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Trevor wrote:
On 7/10/2020 3:44 am, Don Pearce wrote: I'm not a fan of fast bass. I find the last few bars of the tune lack a certain depth when the bass player has already packed up and gone home. Yep, I could never understand why anybody would want the bass player to play faster than the rest of the group anyway? Or the drummer. Keep in time people! James Jamerson much? -- Les Cargill |
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On 10/10/2020 2:41 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Ralph Barone wrote: Ty Ford wrote: On Saturday, October 3, 2020 at 9:15:22 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote: https://www.prosoundweb.com/revealin...io-wire-cable/ geoff Sadly, some people will actually believe this. Ty Ford The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS ... if they "weigh" at all.Â* I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. than the ions in the stationary copper lattice. Because of this, electrons tend to float in the denser atoms. Therefore, for €śfast€ť bass, you should put the amp BELOW the speakers, so that the electrons can float upwards. I tell you, there are so many misconceptions out there... "Ladies and gentlemen, attention please Come in close so everyone can see I got a tale to tell A listen don't cost a dime And if you believe that we're gonna get along just fine" - Snake Oil, Steve Earle. Snake oil is an important component of Americana. Wasn't for snake oil... Not electrical, but physical. My self-built LS3-5As are lined not with bituminous sheet, but lead sheet. Not so good for light music, but just GREAT for Heavy Metal ! geoff geoff |
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:41:41 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote: The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS ... if they "weigh" at all. I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. If they have mass, and they are in a gravitational field, then they have weight. d |
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On 10/10/2020 8:35 pm, Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:41:41 -0500, Les Cargill wrote: The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS ... if they "weigh" at all. I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. If they have mass, and they are in a gravitational field, then they have weight. d Boy, you've got to carry that weight ... geoff |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:41:41 -0500, Les Cargill wrote: The part about placing your amplifier above your speakers is clearly wrong. In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS ... if they "weigh" at all. I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. If they have mass, and they are in a gravitational field, then they have weight. Maybe, but nobody has the weight like Levon Helm and Mavis Staples. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 5:03:58 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
On 10/10/2020 5:17 am, Roy W. Rising wrote: On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 2:30:26 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote: On 9/10/2020 5:14 am, Roy W. Rising wrote: "Did you like the tempos?" "Oh, I liked all the tempos, especially yours." --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Their 1959 "See You in September" gives me warm memories. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Never heard (or of) it. Now just had to look it up. First impression is that the male-voice chorus is out in a different part of the building ;- ) geoff ! It's a male group. The four voices are on-mic throughout. The lead vocal 'steps in' a little during the solos. I really can't understand your impression. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong." Well it was only Youtube on a laptop, but to me it sounded like the others were kicked out to another room in the choruses. Maybe stepping up caused the effect, which I noticed, and which by your signature definition is 'wrong'. geoff When TV added MTS stereo, I had a serious decision to make. So, I rushed right out and bought TWO 3" speakers! "only Youtube on a laptop" says a lot when it comes to judging a sound. ~ Roy "If you notice the *sound*, it's wrong. |
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On 10/10/2020 12:41 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Ralph Barone wrote: In a copper wire, the free electrons each weigh about 118,000 times LESS ... if they "weigh" at all.Â* I actually do not recall if they have weight, or just mass. Doesn't anything that has mass also have weight in the presence of gravity? |
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