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Can You Hear Me Now?
Today is the anniversary of Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone transmission. To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. No, throw away the cell phone of the stupid person taling in traffic in front of you. John |
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"John Halliburton" wrote in message ... To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. No, throw away the cell phone of the stupid person taling in traffic in front of you. Over on one of the telephone newsgroups there is frequently discussion of cellphone jammers. And just the other day someone proposed the idea of a jammer tracker. Electromagnetic spy vs. spy! :-) |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:20:46 GMT, "John Halliburton"
wrote: No, throw away the cell phone of the stupid person taling in traffic in front of you. Hey, I need to make those calls. Mark |
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Mark Stebbeds wrote:
Hey, I need to make those calls. Folks thinking they need to do that are offering us the same auto accident stats as do drunk drivers. But hey, an aloholic needs a drink, too. -- ha |
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John Halliburton wrote:
To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. No, throw away the cell phone of the stupid person taling in traffic in front of you. John You mean like Dudley Moore in 'Crazy People'? That was a great scene. |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message
... Mark Stebbeds wrote: Hey, I need to make those calls. Folks thinking they need to do that are offering us the same auto accident stats as do drunk drivers. But hey, an aloholic needs a drink, too. -- ha Well, how many accidents are cause by people having conversations with other people in the same vehicle? ( or smacking the kids in the back seat? ;-) Maybe we should have a law that says only one person per vehicle? I've always thought hat people putting on makeup, shaving, reading novels and even eating in stop and go traffic was much more dangerous than talking on a cell phone. John L Rice |
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John L Rice wrote:
Well, how many accidents are cause by people having conversations with other people in the same vehicle? Probably not as many. I find it interesting that this subject is raised here because I think that cell phones cause a problem in that they place the user in a different aural space than the car itself. It's as if part of the mind is in a different location. Additionally, though the phone is only on one ear, I think that the brain subconsciously ignores cues coming to the other ear. In effect, it is like wearing headphones - outside sounds are "masked." Maybe we should have a law that says only one person per vehicle? I've always thought hat people putting on makeup, shaving, reading novels and even eating in stop and go traffic was much more dangerous than talking on a cell phone. Well, certainly. But some of those will get you a ticket as well. What gets me are the drivers that weave in and out at high speeds while on the phone. I must confess I have once or twice consulted a map while driving so can't get too righteous. -Naren |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Today is the anniversary of Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone transmission. And an adaptation of that device by Edison in 1877 led to the first recorded sound ("Hello" on a piece of waxed paper). Yay. I wonder how good was the fidelity, how much headroom, THD, SD ("sibilance distortion"), etc. etc. on that piece of waxed paper... To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. It doesn't flush, trust me. -Naren |
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As I do exactly this kind of thing (R&D on Driver
Distraction) for a living, please be careful what you casually talk about. Yes, some R&D pub has used those provocative terms, but the research is questionable. It was done on not very sophisticated driving simulators and the variables measured don't have a lot to do with actual driving under either condition. Being drunk affects balance 1st (weaving down the road) and cell phone calls don't. Since simulated driving is almost wholly visual the results are suspect. Actual stats from 26,000 accidents (AAA 2003) show VERY few accidents as a direct result from cell phone usage. Chip Wood While I work for Motorola, these thoughts are my own and in no way are intended to reflect company policy. "hank alrich" wrote in message Hey, I need to make those calls. Folks thinking they need to do that are offering us the same auto accident stats as do drunk drivers. |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:09:52 GMT, John wrote:
On 3/10/05 10:34 AM, in article , "Richard Crowley" wrote: "John Halliburton" wrote in message ... To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. No, throw away the cell phone of the stupid person taling in traffic in front of you. Over on one of the telephone newsgroups there is frequently discussion of cellphone jammers. I LOVE the jammer idea but when it first occurred to me in a rage several years back, I immediately had a Moral Moment considering what would happen if I jammed somebody and nearby also jammed someone with a real life-n-death emergency call in progress... I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Al |
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Chip Wood wrote:
Actual stats from 26,000 accidents (AAA 2003) show VERY few accidents as a direct result from cell phone usage. Chip Wood While I work for Motorola, these thoughts are my own and in no way are intended to reflect company policy. hahahahaha |
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Actually I read that talking to another person in the car with you is
not as distracting as talking on the cell because the other person is also aware of the traffic and will pause etc when you are about to perform some dangerous manuver like pulling in to traffic etc. When talking on the cell, the other person is in another world and so are you. Mark |
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I have often hung up from a cell phopne conversation while I've been driving
in my car and then tried to remember any details of my driving experience during the conversation. Usually, I remember very little of what I was doing/seeing/experiencing related to the action of driving the car. This was so disturbing that I've pretty much quit making calls or taking calls on the phone while driving. I reallly don't give a **** what *the studies* say. If my attention is that distracted by the call, it's dangerous and irresponsible for me to be doing it. I''m not trying to speak for everyone, but I don't think I'm *that* different from the rest of the human race. Just my $0.02 DJ "John L Rice" wrote in message ... I've read maps/directions too in addition to eating, cell phone talking and being WAY to tired to drive. Here is a study on the effects of auditory interference while driving : http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...mages/Interfer ence%20Simulation%20Study.pdf -- John L Rice "Naren" wrote in message ... John L Rice wrote: Well, how many accidents are cause by people having conversations with other people in the same vehicle? Probably not as many. I find it interesting that this subject is raised here because I think that cell phones cause a problem in that they place the user in a different aural space than the car itself. It's as if part of the mind is in a different location. Additionally, though the phone is only on one ear, I think that the brain subconsciously ignores cues coming to the other ear. In effect, it is like wearing headphones - outside sounds are "masked." Maybe we should have a law that says only one person per vehicle? I've always thought hat people putting on makeup, shaving, reading novels and even eating in stop and go traffic was much more dangerous than talking on a cell phone. Well, certainly. But some of those will get you a ticket as well. What gets me are the drivers that weave in and out at high speeds while on the phone. I must confess I have once or twice consulted a map while driving so can't get too righteous. -Naren |
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I'd agree that most people in the human race consider themselves to be at
least as good if not better than everyone else in the human race. Also, most people find research ( or reading manuals ) boring an difficult to do or absorb and are pretty good at making justifications as to why *they* should be exempt from it. -- John L Rice "Animix" wrote in message ... I have often hung up from a cell phopne conversation while I've been driving in my car and then tried to remember any details of my driving experience during the conversation. Usually, I remember very little of what I was doing/seeing/experiencing related to the action of driving the car. This was so disturbing that I've pretty much quit making calls or taking calls on the phone while driving. I reallly don't give a **** what *the studies* say. If my attention is that distracted by the call, it's dangerous and irresponsible for me to be doing it. I''m not trying to speak for everyone, but I don't think I'm *that* different from the rest of the human race. Just my $0.02 DJ "John L Rice" wrote in message ... I've read maps/directions too in addition to eating, cell phone talking and being WAY to tired to drive. Here is a study on the effects of auditory interference while driving : http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/inju...mages/Interfer ence%20Simulation%20Study.pdf -- John L Rice "Naren" wrote in message ... John L Rice wrote: Well, how many accidents are cause by people having conversations with other people in the same vehicle? Probably not as many. I find it interesting that this subject is raised here because I think that cell phones cause a problem in that they place the user in a different aural space than the car itself. It's as if part of the mind is in a different location. Additionally, though the phone is only on one ear, I think that the brain subconsciously ignores cues coming to the other ear. In effect, it is like wearing headphones - outside sounds are "masked." Maybe we should have a law that says only one person per vehicle? I've always thought hat people putting on makeup, shaving, reading novels and even eating in stop and go traffic was much more dangerous than talking on a cell phone. Well, certainly. But some of those will get you a ticket as well. What gets me are the drivers that weave in and out at high speeds while on the phone. I must confess I have once or twice consulted a map while driving so can't get too righteous. -Naren |
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"play on" wrote in message
... I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Not in the US, where it's illegal to use jammers. -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN |
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Mark wrote:
When talking on the cell, the other person is in another world and so are you. Two people driving and talking to each other multiplies the problem. All to often, I am following, in front of, or next to someone on a cell phone. Anybody that doesn't think these people are distracted from their driving is insane. |
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Joe Sensor wrote: Mark wrote: When talking on the cell, the other person is in another world and so are you. Two people driving and talking to each other multiplies the problem. All to often, I am following, in front of, or next to someone on a cell phone. Anybody that doesn't think these people are distracted from their driving is insane. Joe, my bad, my statement was not clear... When talking on the cell, the other person is in another world and so are ___you.____ (I didn't mean ___YOU____ Joe Sensor, I meant __YOU___ the person driving while on the cell phone. Mark |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: Actual stats from 26,000 accidents (AAA 2003) show VERY few accidents as a direct result from cell phone usage. I think that's because when those DWP (Driving While Phoning) start to drive stupidly, the rest of us look out for them. I think that in the past five years, I've been cut off by more people with a phone to their ear than without. And I've seen more people with a phone to their ear back out of a parking space in a lot than without. So I have to be more careful because they're distracted. Another factor is that the study he refers to was based on police reports, and the evidence of cell phone use was based on the officer asking if they were on the phone. All they proved is that a reasonably smart person would answer "no" to such a question. Studies correlating cell phone usage vs. time of accident told a vastly different story. The Click and Clack Brothers can tell you all about it. |
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S O'Neill wrote:
Another factor is that the study he refers to was based on police reports, and the evidence of cell phone use was based on the officer asking if they were on the phone. All they proved is that a reasonably smart person would answer "no" to such a question. Studies correlating cell phone usage vs. time of accident told a vastly different story. The Click and Clack Brothers can tell you all about it. I think Motorola's study of preference is the first one. |
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Joe Sensor wrote:
S O'Neill wrote: Another factor is that the study he refers to was based on police reports, and the evidence of cell phone use was based on the officer asking if they were on the phone. All they proved is that a reasonably smart person would answer "no" to such a question. Studies correlating cell phone usage vs. time of accident told a vastly different story. The Click and Clack Brothers can tell you all about it. I think Motorola's study of preference is the first one. I did try to skip around that. But you're absolutely right, the cell phone manufacturers always point to that one. |
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On 10 Mar 2005 09:07:51 -0500, (Mike Rivers)
wrote: Today is the anniversary of Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone transmission. I thought this was going to be about megaphones... But anyway, where did he but his 48V battery? To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. Is this a "Landlines Forever" campaign, similar to Apple having an "Apple II Forever" campaign when the IIGS was announced? I saw a IIGS for cheap (a couple of dollars) recently and I didn't even buy it. About eight to ten years ago I got some good POTS design experience on my resume, but now I wonder if that was the last thing ever designed to connect to POTS... And on another tangent, is this how the "bathroom humor" cut on the Bohemian Rap CD was recorded? ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:15:54 GMT, "Dave Martin"
wrote: "play on" wrote in message .. . I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Not in the US, where it's illegal to use jammers. I've known people in the US who didn't stop doing something just because it's illegal. OTOH I suppose a restaurant or theater using a jammer would be discovered and fined or shut down pretty quickly. Would putting a faraday cage around a restaurant or theater be legal? It seems they should put up a sign saying cellphones are inoperable inside, in case someone tried to call an ambulance for a heart attack victim. -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:21:26 GMT, Ben Bradley
wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:15:54 GMT, "Dave Martin" wrote: "play on" wrote in message . .. I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Not in the US, where it's illegal to use jammers. I've known people in the US who didn't stop doing something just because it's illegal. OTOH I suppose a restaurant or theater using a jammer would be discovered and fined or shut down pretty quickly. Seems like if it was done right, people wouldn't know, they would just think, oh my cell signal isn't good in here... Al Would putting a faraday cage around a restaurant or theater be legal? It seems they should put up a sign saying cellphones are inoperable inside, in case someone tried to call an ambulance for a heart attack victim. -- Dave Martin DMA, Inc Nashville, TN ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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"S O'Neill" wrote in message ... Joe Sensor wrote: S O'Neill wrote: Another factor is that the study he refers to was based on police reports, and the evidence of cell phone use was based on the officer asking if they were on the phone. All they proved is that a reasonably smart person would answer "no" to such a question. Studies correlating cell phone usage vs. time of accident told a vastly different story. The Click and Clack Brothers can tell you all about it. Just don't ask them to fix you automotive problem. DM |
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Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: Would putting a faraday cage around a restaurant or theater be legal? I don't see any reason why it would be illegal. In fact, many buildings are already about half way there right now. Surely you're familiar with the "cell phone walk?" Where somoeone talking on the phone is walking around a room, into a hallway, or outdoors to try to find a place with a better connection? It seems they should put up a sign saying cellphones are inoperable inside, in case someone tried to call an ambulance for a heart attack victim. I guess that might be a nice gesture, but given the number of "insides" where cell phones don't work reliably I don't see that it would be a liability - but a good lawyer could probably make it one. For a venue where clear RF space is a major limitation, such as NYC, constructing some sort of faraday cage for the main space would be nice to have. If you specify reinforced concrete walls, with rebar on a appropriate grid that just happens to block the frequencies used by radio microphones, then blocking cell phones would be just an unintended consequence. ( What are the cell phone frequencies? I thing AMPs was around 800 mhz in the US. But there are other bands in use. ) --Dale |
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play on wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:21:26 GMT, Ben Bradley wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:15:54 GMT, "Dave Martin" wrote: "play on" wrote in message . .. I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Not in the US, where it's illegal to use jammers. I've known people in the US who didn't stop doing something just because it's illegal. OTOH I suppose a restaurant or theater using a jammer would be discovered and fined or shut down pretty quickly. Seems like if it was done right, people wouldn't know, they would just think, oh my cell signal isn't good in here... Seems like the place would loose buisness. Its a social problem and should be addressed with social measures, not technology. Mark |
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On 11 Mar 2005 08:54:43 -0800, "Mark" wrote:
play on wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 04:21:26 GMT, Ben Bradley wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:15:54 GMT, "Dave Martin" wrote: "play on" wrote in message . .. I read that some restaurants and theaters are buying jammers to keep cell phones from annoying their customers. Not in the US, where it's illegal to use jammers. I've known people in the US who didn't stop doing something just because it's illegal. OTOH I suppose a restaurant or theater using a jammer would be discovered and fined or shut down pretty quickly. Seems like if it was done right, people wouldn't know, they would just think, oh my cell signal isn't good in here... Seems like the place would loose buisness. It might have tighter business among those who don't want to hear cellphones ringing while at the restaurant or the movies. Its a social problem and should be addressed with social measures, not technology. I dunno, it seems a good Faraday shield could be effective. Those who really want to use their cellphones can stand outside the door among the smokers. Mark ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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The best legal and logical (funny juxtaposing those words)
idea seems to be- make a faraday cage of the theater, but install a cell phone repeater with an outdoor antenna to be turned on when the theater has work going on, but no audience, and shut it down when there is a performance. That way the staff and tech crews can get their calls during normal work hours. The audience would be warned at the door and perhaps in the announcement that no cell calls can get in or out. Chip Wood "Mike Rivers" wrote in message Would putting a faraday cage around a restaurant or theater be legal? I don't see any reason why it would be illegal. In fact, many buildings are already about half way there right now. |
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"Animix" wrote:
I have often hung up from a cell phopne conversation while I've been driving in my car and then tried to remember any details of my driving experience during the conversation. Usually, I remember very little of what I was doing/seeing/experiencing related to the action of driving the car. This was so disturbing that I've pretty much quit making calls or taking calls on the phone while driving. I reallly don't give a **** what *the studies* say. If my attention is that distracted by the call, it's dangerous and irresponsible for me to be doing it. I''m not trying to speak for everyone,but I don't think I'm *that* different from the rest of the human race. Dead on. That's what did it for me too. Putting down the phone and wondering "How did I get here?" Made me realize that I obviously wasn't giving driving the deadly serious attention it deserves. Studies schmuddies. I don't dial and drive anymore either. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1110459785k@trad... Today is the anniversary of Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone transmission. To celebrate, throw your cell phone into the toilet today. Actually, talking to a cell-phone repairer, that is actually a major reason for mobiles being brought in for repair. They decline ... geoff |
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"Mark" wrote in message oups.com... Actually I read that talking to another person in the car with you is not as distracting as talking on the cell because the other person is also aware of the traffic and will pause etc when you are about to perform some dangerous manuver like pulling in to traffic etc. When talking on the cell, the other person is in another world and so are you. There is nothing more impolite than a passenger in your car talking at you while you are trying to concertrate on driving and your phone call ... geoff ps and why do people use those embarassingly naff ring tones ? |
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