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Elco connector?
Hi Guys:
I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard or custom. Neil R |
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Hi Guys:
I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard or custom. Neil R The pinouts are Standard and May be downloaded From EDAC (the Real Name) Buying the connector isn't all that big of deal , but the pins and the setting tool are rather pricey. It tales a LOT of time to set up the first one that you assemble or you can have several companies build you one. I can do this also. Richard H. Kuschel "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty |
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"Neil Rutman" wrote in message ... Hi Guys: I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard or custom. Neil R You can probably find what you need here.... http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools alone (and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event you make an error) will run you right around $400. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s.com http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:
You can probably find what you need here.... http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools alone (and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event you make an error) will run you right around $400. If you are really crazy, you can insert and remove pins using a dental pick and a hemostat. It takes a lot longer than using the proper tools, but as field expedients go, it can be done. BUT, Whirlwind will charge you a lot less for a breakout cable than it will cost for you to buy the tooling, or for what your time is worth to do it without the tooling. You can do Bendix connectors by soldering to the crimp pins and inserting with a hemostat too, but it won't pass military specs. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote: You can probably find what you need here.... http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools alone (and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event you make an error) will run you right around $400. and Edac Extractor tool will run around $60, to $100. I never bothered with the insertion tool, you can use a pair of long needle nose plyers. If you are really crazy, you can insert and remove pins using a dental pick and a hemostat. It takes a lot longer than using the proper tools, but as field expedients go, it can be done. BUT, Whirlwind will charge you a lot less for a breakout cable than it will cost for you to buy the tooling, or for what your time is worth to do it without the tooling. You can do Bendix connectors by soldering to the crimp pins and inserting with a hemostat too, but it won't pass military specs. --scott The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell. Also there are a few standards of ELCO pinouts. The Soundcraft one is the good one (16 channels onto a 56 pin block) well it's the best laid out one. Ring out the connector with a meter to figure out what is the "Right One" |
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"nmm" wrote in message The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell. That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins and dump the whole soldering scenario. DM |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "nmm" wrote in message The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell. That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins and dump the whole soldering scenario. DM cutting 3 lengths of teflon or PVC tubes for the shields, hellerman of heat shrink on the cable ends, and the pin ends. It's the same with the crimp on If you want to build a solid one that you don't have to think about after you test it the first time. And all that for an "EDAC". Then stuffing it all into one of those side entry shells. I just use the solder on ones because that's what i learnt when i was building them, and for feild maintenance, with no crimp tool ( you can use a jeweller's screwdriver as an extractor if you have to ) No wonder most PA companies use VEAM, or AMP G series modular, or Soca 36 Pin connectors. Same labour but a way more solid connector. |
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"nmm" wrote in message The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell. That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins and dump the whole soldering scenario. DM I also bought the crimp tool and extraction tool. I generally use a hemostat for insertion, but I have that tool also. Much faster than soldering. It took a while to establish a method of making the leads the correct length for the proper fitting into the block, but that wasn't too bad. I use heat shrink on the ground leads and over the end of the strip point on the cable. I've been using the Horizon Studio series snake cable because it is more flexible and smaller diameter, plus the individual pairs are numbered. Richard H. Kuschel "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty |
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Richard Kuschel wrote: "nmm" wrote in message The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell. That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins and dump the whole soldering scenario. DM I also bought the crimp tool and extraction tool. I generally use a hemostat for insertion, but I have that tool also. Much faster than soldering. It took a while to establish a method of making the leads the correct length for the proper fitting into the block, but that wasn't too bad. For the 56 pin it usually breaks into 3 seperate lengths of tube for the shields. You should try Teflon tubing for the shields. You don't have to shrink it. I use heat shrink on the ground leads and over the end of the strip point on the cable. Seems America doesn't have Hellerman Sleeves. They are a product made by Hellerman Tyton in England. If you open up a Soundcraft they are all over the place; on the end of every wire, covering almost every solder joint. It's a very flexible expanding rubber sleeve, available in a bunch of differant colors and sizes I've been using the Horizon Studio series snake cable because it is more flexible and smaller diameter, plus the individual pairs are numbered. Good flexible cable makes a world of differance. |
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nmm wrote:
Seems America doesn't have Hellerman Sleeves. They are a product made by Hellerman Tyton in England. If you open up a Soundcraft they are all over the place; on the end of every wire, covering almost every solder joint. It's a very flexible expanding rubber sleeve, available in a bunch of differant colors and sizes Hellerman can order them here in the US... they are often used for aircraft wiring. But they are not a common item at all. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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No wonder most PA companies use VEAM, or AMP G series modular, or Soca 36 Pin connectors. Same labour but a way more solid connector. yes, but most studios in LA are 90s or 120s for multitracks. and I love the 3 pin on patchbays for instlations w/ contunuios change out/over being a plain out a pain |
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