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Neil Rutman
 
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Hi Guys:

I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my
control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not
dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard
or custom.

Neil R


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Richard Kuschel
 
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Hi Guys:

I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my

control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not

dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard

or custom.

Neil R


The pinouts are Standard and May be downloaded From EDAC (the Real Name)
Buying the connector isn't all that big of deal , but the pins and the setting
tool are rather pricey.

It tales a LOT of time to set up the first one that you assemble or you can
have several companies build you one.

I can do this also.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)
 
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"Neil Rutman" wrote in message ...
Hi Guys:

I just bought a used 24 channel snake box to run from my live room to my
control room. The snake terminates into an elco connector which I have not
dealt with before. Where can I buy the matching connector? Are they standard
or custom.

Neil R



You can probably find what you need here....

http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html

But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools alone
(and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event you make
an error) will run you right around $400.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s.com
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com


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Scott Dorsey
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:

You can probably find what you need here....

http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html

But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools alone
(and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event you make
an error) will run you right around $400.


If you are really crazy, you can insert and remove pins using a dental pick
and a hemostat. It takes a lot longer than using the proper tools, but as
field expedients go, it can be done.

BUT, Whirlwind will charge you a lot less for a breakout cable than it will
cost for you to buy the tooling, or for what your time is worth to do it
without the tooling.

You can do Bendix connectors by soldering to the crimp pins and inserting
with a hemostat too, but it won't pass military specs.
--scott


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Scott Dorsey wrote:
David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote:

You can probably find what you need here....

http://www.audiogear.com/EdcELcoCart.html

But, as Richard mentioned, unless you're a soldering fool, the tools

alone
(and don't think you can do it without an 'extractor' in the event

you make
an error) will run you right around $400.



and Edac Extractor tool will run around $60, to $100. I never bothered
with the insertion tool, you can use a pair of long needle nose plyers.




If you are really crazy, you can insert and remove pins using a

dental pick
and a hemostat. It takes a lot longer than using the proper tools,

but as
field expedients go, it can be done.

BUT, Whirlwind will charge you a lot less for a breakout cable than

it will
cost for you to buy the tooling, or for what your time is worth to do

it
without the tooling.

You can do Bendix connectors by soldering to the crimp pins and

inserting
with a hemostat too, but it won't pass military specs.
--scott


The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the
cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube
to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation
as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or
hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell.

Also there are a few standards of ELCO pinouts. The Soundcraft one is
the good one (16 channels onto a 56 pin block) well it's the best laid
out one. Ring out the connector with a meter to figure out what is the
"Right One"



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"nmm" wrote in message

The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the
cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube
to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation
as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or
hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell.


That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins
and dump the whole soldering scenario.

DM


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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"nmm" wrote in message

The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the
cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon

tube
to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for

insulation
as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or
hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell.


That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp

pins
and dump the whole soldering scenario.

DM



cutting 3 lengths of teflon or PVC tubes for the shields, hellerman of
heat shrink on the cable ends, and the pin ends. It's the same with the
crimp on If you want to build a solid one that you don't have to think
about after you test it the first time. And all that for an "EDAC".
Then stuffing it all into one of those side entry shells.

I just use the solder on ones because that's what i learnt when i was
building them, and for feild maintenance, with no crimp tool ( you can
use a jeweller's screwdriver as an extractor if you have to )

No wonder most PA companies use VEAM, or AMP G series modular, or Soca
36 Pin connectors. Same labour but a way more solid connector.

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"nmm" wrote in message

The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all the
cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon tube
to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for insulation
as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink, or
hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell.


That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp pins
and dump the whole soldering scenario.

DM


I also bought the crimp tool and extraction tool. I generally use a hemostat
for insertion, but I have that tool also.

Much faster than soldering.

It took a while to establish a method of making the leads the correct length
for the proper fitting into the block, but that wasn't too bad.

I use heat shrink on the ground leads and over the end of the strip point on
the cable.

I've been using the Horizon Studio series snake cable because it is more
flexible and smaller diameter, plus the individual pairs are numbered.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
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Richard Kuschel wrote:

"nmm" wrote in message

The major pain in building Edac/ Elco connectors is getting all

the
cables into the shell when you are done. You can use 18 AWG teflon

tube
to cover the solder on pins. The teflon will work good for

insulation
as well as a bit of strain relief. Some people use heat shrink,

or
hellerman sleaves, but that's more crap to squeeze into the shell.


That's why I chose to spend the money on the crimp tool, buy crimp

pins
and dump the whole soldering scenario.

DM


I also bought the crimp tool and extraction tool. I generally use a

hemostat
for insertion, but I have that tool also.

Much faster than soldering.

It took a while to establish a method of making the leads the correct

length
for the proper fitting into the block, but that wasn't too bad.


For the 56 pin it usually breaks into 3 seperate lengths of tube for
the shields. You should try Teflon tubing for the shields. You don't
have to shrink it.

I use heat shrink on the ground leads and over the end of the strip

point on
the cable.


Seems America doesn't have Hellerman Sleeves. They are a product made
by Hellerman Tyton in England. If you open up a Soundcraft they are all
over the place; on the end of every wire, covering almost every solder
joint. It's a very flexible expanding rubber sleeve, available in a
bunch of differant colors and sizes


I've been using the Horizon Studio series snake cable because it is

more
flexible and smaller diameter, plus the individual pairs are

numbered.



Good flexible cable makes a world of differance.

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nmm wrote:

Seems America doesn't have Hellerman Sleeves. They are a product made
by Hellerman Tyton in England. If you open up a Soundcraft they are all
over the place; on the end of every wire, covering almost every solder
joint. It's a very flexible expanding rubber sleeve, available in a
bunch of differant colors and sizes


Hellerman can order them here in the US... they are often used for aircraft
wiring. But they are not a common item at all.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


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No wonder most PA companies use VEAM, or AMP G series modular, or Soca
36 Pin connectors. Same labour but a way more solid connector.


yes, but most studios in LA are 90s or 120s for multitracks.
and I love the 3 pin on patchbays for instlations w/ contunuios change out/over
being a plain out a pain
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