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DIY multi-track with cassette recorders?
On Aug 17, 8:55*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
gjsmo wrote: On Aug 17, 7:48=A0pm, Cyberserf wrote: LOL...how relevant....You can get a used Presonus Firebox (6i-10o) for under $200...seriously...analog is soooo anal. Why? Any reason? It would work fine for me, if it was cheaper. I love it, and I use it all the time, but figure $2k for a good 8-track 1" setup with clean heads and a couple reels of tape, minimum. *And really it's the tape costs that will kill you. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Alright, fine. It's more expensive. Doesn't mean it's anal. |
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gjsmo wrote:
On Aug 17, 8:55=A0pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: gjsmo wrote: On Aug 17, 7:48=3DA0pm, Cyberserf wrote: LOL...how relevant....You can get a used Presonus Firebox (6i-10o) for under $200...seriously...analog is soooo anal. Why? Any reason? It would work fine for me, if it was cheaper. I love it, and I use it all the time, but figure $2k for a good 8-track 1= " setup with clean heads and a couple reels of tape, minimum. =A0And really it's the tape costs that will kill you. Alright, fine. It's more expensive. Doesn't mean it's anal. Oh, it's anal too. That's part of the point in using it, that it forces you into a particular way of working that does not include chopping everything up note for note. (Okay, if you're crazy you CAN chop things up note for note but it better be paying time and a half at minimum.) --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Aug 17, 8:50*pm, gjsmo wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:48*pm, Cyberserf wrote: LOL...how relevant....You can get a used Presonus Firebox (6i-10o) for under $200...seriously...analog is soooo anal. Why? Any reason? It would work fine for me, if it was cheaper. I was mostly tongue in cheek there...anal-log...get it...it's a joke son, stop looking so stunned. Seriously, it is a bit of an expense to get into a good analog rig and you are limited by what you can afford...doing the deed "in the box" opens up a ton of possibilities with little or no added expense...need a mini moog, download a free VSTi and play it...need to double a track to fatten it up...copy the track and paste it...unlimited tracks at your finger tips with no bleed from track to track...much better noise floor and headroom...want a different reverb on that vocal, download a free VSTe and get all convoluted...audio an midi in the same box...multiple mixes are a breeze and if you get a good DAW controller, you can have fader automation without breaking the bank...pitch correction and ease of editing (without a razor in sight) are all selling features....the interfaces are dirt cheap (about the price of two reel of Quantegy 456...cheaper if you buy used), the software is great and the sound can be amazingly warm...almost as warm as an anal log ;-) Don't get me wrong, a nice analog setup with a Neve desk and Studer A827, some virgin 2 inch, great preamps, some nice outboards and good microphones in a great room is wonderful thing...but it isn't an entry level rig. There is a lot out there that is very good....an ADAT would be a quick entry but a firewire setup would really let you grow. -CS |
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Well, at least something seems affordable.
Is there anywhere else to get an ADAT machine other than eBay? I found one at http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-DA-88-Mul...efaultDomain_0 .. |
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"gjsmo" wrote in message
On Aug 17, 7:48 pm, Cyberserf wrote: LOL...how relevant....You can get a used Presonus Firebox (6i-10o) for under $200...seriously...analog is soooo anal. Why? Any reason? It would work fine for me, if it was cheaper. I guess your time is worth nothing, and mediocre or worse results are your goal. This is 2010. Good digital is very easy and relatively inexpensive. Or perhaps you are enjoying gettting your 15 minutes of fame on RAP by continuing to pursue a bad idea. |
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"gjsmo" wrote in message
Well, at least something seems affordable. Is there anywhere else to get an ADAT machine other than eBay? I found one at http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-DA-88-Mul...efaultDomain_0 . ADAT is only a little less stupid than cassette tape, unless you've got an archive of ADAT tapes you want to transcribe to some other format. |
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gjsmo wrote:
Well, at least something seems affordable. Is there anywhere else to get an ADAT machine other than eBay? I found one at http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-DA-88-Mul...efaultDomain_0 . That's not an ADAT, that's a DTRS. Media are more expensive, running time is longer, support is probably better but the hardware is trickier to align. Be aware that these machines require annual alignment and cleaning and that will run you around $250/year. Same for the ADATs as well. None of these machines are in current production because PC recording systems are just so cheap that they have knocked that whole market sector out. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:14:10 -0700, gjsmo wrote:
snip Save a few shekels if you have to, and get the adat. Immediate quality improvement, and still works as you're used to working. I honestly don't think there's much that sounds better than these cassette recorders without getting top-of-the-line equipment. Seriously, they sound really good. I've listened to them on my studio headphones, and Sennheiser earbuds, and they're great. You don't have to believe me, but they do. Do any of your tape decks let you monitor off tape while recording? If I wanted to get an authentic cassette tape sound, I'd record onto the ADAT, and then pass stereo pairs though the tape machine, monitoring off tape, and record them into a cheap computer with a M-audio 24/96 sound card and Reaper. This would give the cassette tape sound, but also let you sync the tracks properly together on the computer afterwards. You would also be able to make clean overdub recordings by going directly into the sound card. Pretty much any computer of the sort people throw out will do 16 tracks, so the only cost would be the ADAT and the sound card. Oh... and about being in high school. I'm smarter than you might think - I built a calculator from bare chips once. Of course, it only worked in binary, but... I'm not bad at programming either (C++). |
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gjsmo wrote:
Is there anywhere else to get an ADAT machine other than eBay? Sure, but I don't think you can get one on Amazon any more. g Ask here or any other audio forum like Gearslutz.com, harmonycentral.com or prosoundweb.com. There are people there who have an ADAT or three in a closet and don't have the heart to throw it away, but would be pleased to find someone interested in putting it to good use. eBay may be the easiest place to find someone selling an ADAT, but it also may be someone who doesn't have any idea of what it is or whether it works. Better to get it from someone who is actually actively working with audio regardless of whether he's currently using the ADAT or not. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson |
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On 2010-08-18 said: Is there anywhere else to get an ADAT machine other than eBay? I WHat you found there was not an adat, but a da88 it sounds like. Different tape format. I actually preferred the da88 to the adat, but the adat litepipe has survived to modern digital interfaces for moving tracks between systems, where the TAscam is essentially orphaned at this point afaik. THe Tascam was the better unit, and found some adoption in the film sound world for stems, but Adat was the ubiquitous format out there in project studios everywhere, so adat's litepipe transport has survived, and is widely implemented and supported in other gear. Because of that, and because you're probably going to want to upgrade as your skills needs and resources dictate, I'd keep looking for an actual adat. Richard webb, replace anything before at with elspider ON site audio in the southland: see www.gatasound.com |
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On Aug 18, 9:28*am, philicorda wrote:
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:14:10 -0700, gjsmo wrote: snip Save a few shekels if you have to, and get the adat. Immediate quality improvement, and still works as you're used to working. I honestly don't think there's much that sounds better than these cassette recorders without getting top-of-the-line equipment. Seriously, they sound really good. I've listened to them on my studio headphones, and Sennheiser earbuds, and they're great. You don't have to believe me, but they do. Do any of your tape decks let you monitor off tape while recording? At least 5 that I'm sure of, I'd have to check the others. If I wanted to get an authentic cassette tape sound, I'd record onto the ADAT, and then pass stereo pairs though the tape machine, monitoring off tape, and record them into a cheap computer with a M-audio 24/96 sound card and Reaper. This would give the cassette tape sound, but also let you sync the tracks properly together on the computer afterwards. You would also be able to make clean overdub recordings by going directly into the sound card. Not a bad idea. I could use more that 2 tracks at once, actually. Depends on how ADAT sounds. |
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On Sunday, August 8, 2010 at 4:24:09 PM UTC-7, gjsmo wrote:
I was thinking about making an 8-track simultaneous recorder with the standard double tape-decks you see. I've got about 4, and they seem cheap enough. Anyways, besides needing preamps, is this feasible? I'd have to synchronize everything - probably with some electronics or just on the computer later. Any ideas? I have been working on a prototype for an 4/8 track out of a couple old cassette 4 tracks and an old hifi stereo VCR. I replaced the cassette deck with the vhs system. They work and sound excellent as stand alone 4 tracks. The trick is figuring out a controller to sync both 4 tracks up together to go on 1 single vhs tape. I got the idea years ago when I was taking college recording/production classes with Brian Rose. He used a vhs system in one of our classes. he showed us how to modify the head to use the entire width of the vhs tape. However, It is WAY WAY WAY more trouble than it's worth...especially now that the audio workstations they have now are really affordable. Unless you just like to build stuff out of crap like me.... |
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I have been working on a prototype for an 4/8 track out of a couple old cas= sette 4 tracks and an old hifi stereo VCR. I replaced the cassette deck wit= h the vhs system. They work and sound excellent as stand alone 4 tracks. Th= e trick is figuring out a controller to sync both 4 tracks up together to g= o on 1 single vhs tape. I'm not sure what you mean by a controller? I gather you are using the existing cassette 4-track heads and stacking them up on across the VHS tape? Akai at one point made a 12-track machine that used videotape cartridges but with standard audio tape in them. The particles on videotapes are too fine for audio work; they sacrifice noise floor for frequency response which is why VHS audio tracks sound so poor. I got the idea years ago when I was taking college recording/production cla= sses with Brian Rose. He used a vhs system in one of our classes. he showed= us how to modify the head to use the entire width of the vhs tape. Which head? However, It is WAY WAY WAY more trouble than it's worth...especially now th= at the audio workstations they have now are really affordable. Unless you j= ust like to build stuff out of crap like me.... They have medication for that now, you know. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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