Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals
available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well.

Example:

Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer
receivers.


Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.

P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

mz

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals
available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well.

Example:

Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer
receivers.


Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.

P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

mz

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals
available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well.

Example:

Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer
receivers.


Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.

P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

mz

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals
available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well.

Example:

Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer
receivers.


Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.

P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

mz

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video manuals
available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as well.

Example:

Search for pioneer vsx pdf would list any available PDF's on pioneer
receivers.


Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

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13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics? Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

See comments inserted. - mz



"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few
manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise.


I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY.
Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board
location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to
the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do.


Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the
service data is printed or electronic.


Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

See comments inserted. - mz



"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few
manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise.


I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY.
Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board
location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to
the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do.


Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the
service data is printed or electronic.


Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

See comments inserted. - mz



"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few
manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise.


I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY.
Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board
location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to
the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do.


Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the
service data is printed or electronic.


Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

See comments inserted. - mz



"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info, and even if they did, they don't really care
about this.

I assume you are talking about service manuals.

I would like to see a statement from the manufacturers to approve this
sort of activity. Many are shy about sharing service info. I'm not near
my manuals at the moment, but I remember most of them as being
copyrighted or at least considered to be "proprietory" by the
manufacturers.

I think manufactuers are much more blase' about this these days, with few
manuals having any copyright. Just less work for them to do support-wise.


I could make many Pioneer, Yamaha, Sony and other audio / video
manuals available from my computer. Surely some others of us could as
well.

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY.
Some are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit board
location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and it goes to
the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section, that's easy to do.


Most of my manuals have
large pullout drawings. Redrawn and retyped manuals would be useful,
but it is a *HUGE* project.

When I need a manual, I need it NOW. I'd hate to wait for the
respective manual hosting system to come online. Also, there are often
some very useful bulletins that are not part of the manuals. Sometimes
bulletins can save weeks of head scratching when faced with an obscure
intermittent problem.

This has always been the province of the authorized servicer, whether the
service data is printed or electronic.


Perhaps I'm old fashioned, but I prefer printed manuals. I also prefer
manuals that are maintained by the manufacturer. Assuming we could lash
together an army of a few thousand contributors and fairly divide the
manual preparation work, I don't think we could trust that the manuals
are or could be kept up to date. For example, if a local Joe purchased
a manual for model XYZ a few years ago and put it online, I doubt if
the manufacturer will notify Joe if there is a future bulletin or
manual correction issued for that model.

In terms of user manuals, many manufacturers are providing current
model user manuals online. I assume that they will continue this
service for future models and keep the current stuff online until they
run out of disk space. I don't expect manufacturers to go through their
archives and reprint manuals for long discontinued products.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

See comments inserted. - mz

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
. com...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:
[ ... ]

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.

The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

See comments inserted. - mz

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
. com...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:
[ ... ]

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.

The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

See comments inserted. - mz

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
. com...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:
[ ... ]

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.

The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

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In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

See comments inserted. - mz

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
. com...
In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:
[ ... ]

I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?

Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.

The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------

Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"

Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"

Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"

Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"

"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

P.S.

If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service
manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and
desist" letter, not a lawsuit.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

P.S.

If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service
manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and
desist" letter, not a lawsuit.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

P.S.

If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service
manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and
desist" letter, not a lawsuit.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

P.S.

If a manufacturer thought they were RIAA and didn't like their service
manual(s) being posted, the first response would likely be a "cease and
desist" letter, not a lawsuit.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
"Chaos Master" wrote in message
...
Mark D. Zacharias screams, but nobody listens:
P.S.

I checked and people are already doing this for manuals for computer
games,
Honda car shop manuals, you name it.

I have found some useful Linux stuff on Kazaa, eMule and other P2P
programs. Searched under "documents" for "Linux".

So this looks like a very good idea.
Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA
(IIRC) for video files?

Chaos.
--
Chaos Master® | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"


Will manufacturers start "attacking" us like RIAA done for MP3 files and
MPAA

I sincerely doubt it. For one thing RIAA and the record companies have
billions at stake. So they have hired guns and bribed legislators to go
after the downloaders. Sharing service data is precisely what P2P is
"supposed" to be doing as a legitimate(legal) service.

Mark Z.

"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer
service, and service in general are disappearing.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Dick Pierce" wrote in message
m...
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer
service, and service in general are disappearing.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Dick Pierce" wrote in message
m...
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer
service, and service in general are disappearing.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Dick Pierce" wrote in message
m...
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

I have to say I'm disappointed. I may well still try to make some of these
available. I think it's important, especially these days, when customer
service, and service in general are disappearing.

Mark Z.

--
Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam
have rendered my regular e-mail address useless.


"Dick Pierce" wrote in message
m...
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message
...
Why not? Use Kazaa Lite - no spyware. The manufacturers mostly don't
copyright service info,

Wanna bet? I have in the realm of 200 service manuals here. I just
pulled 10 at random out of the drawers, every single one of them
has a copyright notice on it.

and even if they did, they don't really care about
this.

Again, wanna bet? A number of "public service" sites that have both
user and service manuals have been hammered by the manufacturers and
forced to remove scans, PDF's even retypes of copyrighted manuals
from the site. The most recent example I am aware of is Nikon going
around and forcing a number of sites to remove manuals of even long-
discontinued products, for example, Nikon F2's, discontinued for
a quarter of a century.

Don't be so sure that somne corporate legal department is out there
just waiting to justify its budget by going after some easy targets.
Like you.

Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:


See comments inserted. - mz


"Barry Mann" wrote in message
.com...

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

[ ... ]


I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?


Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.


The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------


Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix
their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one.
When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean
counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts.
Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold.

Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99
doorbuster
special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they
care about is the cheapest initial price.
mike

--
Return address is VALID.
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment
Yaesu FTV901R Transverter, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/

Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:


See comments inserted. - mz


"Barry Mann" wrote in message
.com...

In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

[ ... ]


I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?


Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.


The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

[ ... ]

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
[sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
-----------------------------------------------------------


Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix
their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one.
When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean
counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts.
Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold.

Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99
doorbuster
special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they
care about is the cheapest initial price.
mike

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Barry Mann wrote:
In , on 05/16/04
at 01:59 PM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:


See comments inserted. - mz


"Barry Mann" wrote in message
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In , on 05/16/04
at 07:11 AM, "Mark D. Zacharias" said:

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I don't care for scanned PDF's. The files are large and generally hard
to read. How would you handle large schematics?


Better than nothing, I would say.
The majority of our new serice data is in electronic media ONLY. Some
are very cool, though, with "hot links" imbedded whereby one just
clicks on the I.C., for example, and it takes you to it's circuit
board location, click again and it goes to the prts list, again, and
it goes to the block diagram, etc. If you need to print a section,
that's easy to do.


The consumer side of me would like manuals to be available so that I
could fix minor problems myself and avoid the hassle of tracking down a
servicer who is competent. The only allure for me would be manuals for
very old units, no longer supported by manufacturers, for which generic
parts can be found. These units would have little or no commercial
value, but would be important to someone for other reasons.

The pro side of me avoids unofficial manuals because they are often out
dated time wasters. (the official manuals are often not much better)

The pro side of me also hates to deal with the unit that was butchered
on the kitchen table. Easily available manuals would encourage the
inept.

I won't say that I have never wished that I could find a manual online,
but, overall, they would not be valuable enough to encourage me to
participate in an effort to get them online.

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Remember that manufacturers do not want you, or anyone else, to fix
their stuff. They want to sell you a NEW one.
When Tektronix switched corporate control from engineers to bean
counters, they quit making service manuals and supplying spare parts.
Every unit that gets fixed is a new one that doesn't get sold.

Most people who stand in line at 5AM at the TV superstore to get the $99
doorbuster
special don't give ANY thought to getting it fixed. The ONLY thing they
care about is the cheapest initial price.
mike

--
Return address is VALID.
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment
Yaesu FTV901R Transverter, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/