Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?

Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?

Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?

Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Matt Timmermans wrote:
"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...

Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?


Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power
amp and a passive filter to the speaker.

Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM)
technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. add whatever
BS terms you like here

Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Randy Yates wrote:

Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Randy,

I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm
not sure I get it.

Glenn Zelniker

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

Bob Cain wrote:

Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...


Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door
while leaving the front door open.

I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal
before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the
music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn
music pirates a lesson ...





Bob

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via
a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring
exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the
port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?

You got me! No time to dig through their web site now to see if it's there.
If you are looking I would check out the specs for the 5803 receiver as they
may mention it there since it appears to refer to a protocol for connecting
to that device.

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via
a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring
exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the
port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?

You got me! No time to dig through their web site now to see if it's there.
If you are looking I would check out the specs for the 5803 receiver as they
may mention it there since it appears to refer to a protocol for connecting
to that device.

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Charles Tomaras wrote:

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via
a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition
Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring
exclusive
DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable
system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with
upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the
port
is set to A&M Protocol .

What's A&M protocol?

You got me! No time to dig through their web site now to see if it's there.
If you are looking I would check out the specs for the 5803 receiver as they
may mention it there since it appears to refer to a protocol for connecting
to that device.

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2

Randy,

Check out the new SONY SCD-XA9000ES. It has an iLink (ieee1394/Firewire)
interface for digital tranfer to the new Sony STR-DA9000ES digital amp.

The only issue with this link is that it is encrypted using DTLA copy
protection technology. (just lookup firewire copy protection on google to
find out what this means)

If you find a device that can talk to it, let us all know!


"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Randy,

Check out the new SONY SCD-XA9000ES. It has an iLink (ieee1394/Firewire)
interface for digital tranfer to the new Sony STR-DA9000ES digital amp.

The only issue with this link is that it is encrypted using DTLA copy
protection technology. (just lookup firewire copy protection on google to
find out what this means)

If you find a device that can talk to it, let us all know!


"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

Randy,

Check out the new SONY SCD-XA9000ES. It has an iLink (ieee1394/Firewire)
interface for digital tranfer to the new Sony STR-DA9000ES digital amp.

The only issue with this link is that it is encrypted using DTLA copy
protection technology. (just lookup firewire copy protection on google to
find out what this means)

If you find a device that can talk to it, let us all know!


"Randy Yates" wrote in message
nk.net...
Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to
analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented
anywhere?
--
% Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul
%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side
%%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall."
%%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers. Apparently the copy protection scheme/vendor
implementation must be approved (DVD forum?) before the digital
link can be activated. There are a few devices shipping with the
firewire port disabled. If and when that vendor is approved they
can enable the output via firmware upgrade.

Having only analog outputs is a giant step backward. Proprietary
digital links is a crummy solution.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:03:30 -0600, "Rusty Boudreaux"
wrote:

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

Already changing. The iLink on the Sony player is compatible
with the IEEE port on the Denon and others.

Kal

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:03:30 -0600, "Rusty Boudreaux"
wrote:

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

Already changing. The iLink on the Sony player is compatible
with the IEEE port on the Denon and others.

Kal

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:03:30 -0600, "Rusty Boudreaux"
wrote:

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

Already changing. The iLink on the Sony player is compatible
with the IEEE port on the Denon and others.

Kal

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Charles Tomaras wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


Randy Yates wrote:


Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?
Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's
the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the
converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that
way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any
form from SACD players.

Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a
proprietary firewire connection:

http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4

The Pioneer Elite 49TXi AVR and 47ai player have had firewire digital
interface fora few years now, that could pass and receive
SACD and DVD-A. Three of the current Pioneer Elite AVRs, and one recent Sony,
have Firewire jacks, and from what I've read on the AVSforum,
the Pios and the Sony will 'talk ' to each other. However,
reportedly the Denon won't.




--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

It appears that at least some of these devices
will talk to each other via firewire, across vendors...see
this long thread on the avsforum for details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=201258



--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

It appears that at least some of these devices
will talk to each other via firewire, across vendors...see
this long thread on the avsforum for details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=201258



--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director

In rec.audio.tech Rusty Boudreaux wrote:
"Andor Bariska" wrote in message
...
Bob Cain wrote:
Randy Yates wrote:
Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why
would it be? Isn't
that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology
decide what's the best
way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why
hogtie the converter
to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more
players that way...

Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about
protection of content from theft regardless of how effective
it might be.

That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful
record
company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss.
It's like
trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the
back door
while leaving the front door open.

I agree, but that seems to be the state of affairs (copy
protection). There are only a handful of expensive players that
have a digital audio out (IEEE 1394/firewire) and they have
proprietary interfaces with the same vendors' expensive
receivers.

It appears that at least some of these devices
will talk to each other via firewire, across vendors...see
this long thread on the avsforum for details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=201258



--

-S.

"They've got God on their side. All we've got is science and reason."
-- Dawn Hulsey, Talent Director