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[John Byrns, this is for you:]
On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20Drool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members..lycos.co.uk/fiultra/...ranich%20Meest... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html |
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On Jan 18, 1:36*pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , Andre Jute at wrote on 1/18/09 1:19 PM: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Kranich%20Dr ool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20Mees t... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html That's very special, Andre. What does all of this have to do with tubes, except perhaps the frame??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jon: You need to know by now that Andre can't help it. John is his public water-carrier, amanuensis and apologist and he needs to point that out as well as gather attention. To this end he will cross-post, lie, blather and outright lie as the mood suits him. Remember. That Andre does it (whatever it might be) makes it notable and of historic importance and value. It is not enough to simply send John an e-mail and leave the rest of the world out of it. What a maroon! Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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On Jan 18, 6:36*pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , Andre Jute at wrote on 1/18/09 1:19 PM: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Kranich%20Dr ool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L... Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20Mees t... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html That's very special, Andre. What does all of this have to do with tubes, except perhaps the frame?? John recently mentioned on RAT that he was interested in taking up cycling. -- AJ |
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, Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Byrns at wrote on 1/18/09 6:27 PM: In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. That's very nice, John. Do you know the difference between Usenet groups and personal e-mail? Or what purpose a blog serves? |
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On Jan 18, 11:27*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47*pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. *Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. *more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. * I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. *I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/ Horses for courses, feller. The English Roadster is still hanging on, being made by Pashley in England, and I think Raleigh still sells a version, even called the "Roadster" in the States, complete with hub gearbox and a hub dynamo to drive the lights (or at least the front light). Good hub gears are made by Shimano under the name Nexus (I have two of those and very good they are too) or Alfine for the sports versions and by SRAM. You can see my Nexus-equipped bikes he http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20Bauhaus.html (down the page, not where I'm flexing muscles in the summer) and http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html -- it's just the same thing with a stepper motor and a CP added to make it automatic. Those bikes, derived from the English roadster, belong to the class of the so-called Dutch city bike or, in its slightly more sporting versions, town and country bike. There are American versions by Electra and Breezer and no doubt others. They both have the same Nexus hub transmission I have, and the bikes are functionally the same as my two Nexus bikes. The guys on RBT will soon come up with suitable bikes across a price range that should be available by mailorder or even locally. One RBT contributor ordered an Electra Amsterdam Royal 8 through a Chicago dealer. So, yes, what you want, while probably not in the window or even on the shelf at your local bike store, is made and available and has been spotted in reliable hands. Hub gears is a subculture, and so are balloon tyres. Ask if you want to know anything. I'd be delighted to make a small return for all your help on electronics over the years, and there is nothing the chums on RBT like better than spending someone else's money by speccing up bike for him. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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Jon Yaeger wrote:
in article , John Byrns at wrote on 1/18/09 6:27 PM: In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. That's very nice, John. Do you know the difference between Usenet groups and personal e-mail? Or what purpose a blog serves? Is that any way to speak to those who are better than us? -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Kranich%20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...ranich%20A%20L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...0Kranich%20Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Best regards Iain |
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"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Iain |
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On Jan 20, 8:36*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. *I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. *I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. *The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. *My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? *Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Iain The revival of the hub gearbox was led by the Shimano Nexus, which for practical purposes is eight straight gears, though there is a perceptible if very small discontinuity between gears 4 and 5; it is essentially two four-speed boxes side by side but with *a single rotary control*. The Rohloff gearbox on my new Utopia Kranich is conceptually two seven-speed gearboxes side by side but again with a single rotary control. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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Sturmey Archer, SRAM and Shimano IGH, was Come visit Andre's UtopiaKranich
On Jan 19, 9:30*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. *Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. *more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. *I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. *I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. *I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. *The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/ Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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Wrong group.
Note that a recent Harvard study suggests a connection between bicycling and erectile dysfunction. Not that it makes any difference in Andre's case as his problem is more or less related to lack of blood to the brain due to a swollen head, not his nether regions. Those haven't seen blood since the 1980s. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Peter Wieck wrote:
Wrong group.[...] butbutbut [1], everyone should want to know about the doings of The André Jute - after all, he is a polymath!!! [1] A gdanielsism. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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Sturmey Archer, SRAM and Shimano IGH, was Come visit Andre's UtopiaKranich
Andre Jute wrote: On Jan 19, 9:30 pm, John Byrns wrote: In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , Andre Jute wrote: [John Byrns, this is for you:] On Jan 18, 5:47 pm, Andre Jute wrote: In response to my desire for a bike with 60-622 Big Apples, Rohloff, low stepover, lugged steel, Chalo wrote: Utopia I've since bought a Utopia Kranich (Crane) and made three photo essays of it in the ten days since it arrived: Photos, description, outfitting:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...pia%20Kranich% 20D rool... History of Crossframe-mixte and how it works plus something about the special lugs Utopia uses:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...Kranich%20A%20 L.. . Those gold coachlines on my bike were painted by a man who's 89 years young and spent almost all of them in the bicycle industry:http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...a%20Kranich%20 Mee st... Enjoy! Andre Jute When it is time for a man to have a new bike, it is timehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20%26%20CYCLING.html Hi Andre, I meant to respond to your earlier post on this subject, thought about it until it slipped my mind. Here are my thoughts on what I am looking for, basically something along the lines of the "English" bike I had in my early teens. Specific features, high handlebars, and gears in the hub. more recently I had a "racing" style bike and didn't like the low handlebars derailleur gears. I don't particularly care for the "Unisex" frame the bike in the first link below has. I have checked several of the local bike shops asking about hub gears and they seem to have never heard of such a thing, just more and more speeds with the derailleur gears, I surely don't need 21 speeds like seems to be the norm. John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Hi Iain, Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Good question to those who turn a pedal a bit. But don't ask me. Its been about 45 years since I had a bike with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer gearbox. And I was such a slow cyclist then......plod plod I went all around the country dirt roads in the Windsor Richmond area of unpopulated outer Sydney environs and the Hawksbury River of 1963. I hadn't discovered speed. What a beautiful uncluttered town Sydney was back then, but all gone now. I recall marvelling when I pulled the gearbox apart and re-assembled it. But now I might not bother with hub gears and I prefer a Shimano mountain bike rear cassette with 8 speeds 11 to 28, touring de-raileur, and Shimano compact 50-34 front chainrings, SORA levers. I can comfortably ride up 12% climbs, and only puff and swear mediumly rather than wrecking knees by pressing too hard on the pedals at a cadence that's way too low. Meanwhile I can pedal furiously down hill at 70kph+. I went for a little 130k ride to Gunning, NSW, last Sunday, and had a nice cuppa at The Merino cafe. In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..) He, he, 8 of 'em in the bunch I rode with went past me up hills on the way out. I let 'em go. They love wrecking their knees, and act totally maschistically; I won't let them wreck mine. The bunch of 9 are mainly young whipper-snappers in their 40s or early 50s still trying to prove how fast they can ride uphill and blow themselves up without noticing the bucolic scenery. Then during the return ride they all seemed to slow and by the 120k mark only one of 'em could barely stay ahead of me, and I was first to return to the start of the ride. This other dude and I have frames of steel 20yr+ old; I have the 8 speed SORA, the other dude has a 6 speed old cluster with lever on the down tube. When fresh, he's one of the fastest guys uphill though, despite carrying the extra 3Kg of "old bike penalty". Who said carbon fibre makes you go faster? And missing from the bunch was a guy of 62 who has an even heavier steel clunker and he weighs only 65Kg himself, yet he can stay up with all but one in the bunch. I told him that if he ever changed to a decent carbon fibre frame he could get the weight down about 5 Kg, and this **would make** a considerable difference to his speed up-hill. This other dude he cannot stay with is the local veteran time trial champion and he wouldn't keep bounding away like a furious kangaroo on a promise. I'm wondering if you can combine a hub gear set up to perform as easily as an indexed system but without paying a penalty in efficiency or weight??? One advantage would be that the hub gears mean the rear wheel spokes are not "dished" to give room for a cassette. Thus spokes on the "dished side" don't need to be so tight and hence they'd not break so often. Hmm, come to think of it, hub gears would make sense for a dirt bike, or hybrid road-dirt type because the dirt road dust wouldn't be so difficult to deal with and the rear wheel is inherently stronger for where you really need it, ie, on dirt roads and bush tracks. AFAIK, not a single rider in our bunch uses hub gears.... And not one owns a recumbent. Do old habits die hard? Maybe not, and I even like Brooks saddles. Patrick Turner. Andre Jute http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html |
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[...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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On Jan 21, 8:57*am, Patrick Turner wrote:
Andre Jute wrote: Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Good question to those who turn a pedal a bit. But don't ask me. Its been about 45 years since I had a bike with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer gearbox. [snipped a lot of interesting stuff about Sydney before the Vietnam War, and why old guys wielding Reynolds 531 tubes make the best music] Thing is, Patrick, 45 years ago there were the racers, the shoppers, the kids with their cruisers, and that was bicycling. The big deal then was straight handlebars. Today cycling is so fragmented, they don't even speak the same language in the various wings of the halls of cycling. Every time I turn around, there's a new variety of offroading. So a guy like John (or me a few years ago when I decided to take up bicycles seriously -- I'd already taken up cycling seriously a decade before) basically has to do a bit of homework to educate himself before he can even go into a shop. Not that he's likely to have any luck in a bike store chosen at random, either. They won't have what he wants and won't want to order it; they want to sell racers or common mountain bikes. He needs to go to a specialist store or to buy by mailorder. To do that, he needs knowledge. For instance, the Sturmey- Archer of fond memory today would be a very dicey proposition when the reliability of hub gearboxes is commonly given in decades, and there are wonderful options like hub dynamos for the lights and roller brakes for almost service-free brakes. Andre Jute Polyglot. That doesn't mean I understand street corner dialect. |
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"Iain Churches" wrote: "John Byrns" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: John. I had a bike like that too, made by Raleight in Nottingham, England. The gears in a hub are made by Sturmey Archer. http://www.sturmey-archer.com/ Yes, here in the US Raleigh was the largest selling brand of "English" bike. I thought Sturmey Archer was long gone, I wonder who owns them today and where their stuff is built. The eight speed hub is interesting in that it seems to follow a different pattern than the three and five speed hubs which appear to be derivatives of the older Sturmey Archer hubs. Hi John. My own experience is with the five speed only. How was the eight-speed implemented? Where there four speeds on one control, and then hi and low on a second? Hi Iain, I don't know, I am just going by the Sturmey Archer link you provided above. I will have to see if it is possible to figure it out from Technical Information on the web site, I am curious exactly how the eight speed works. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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in article , Tom Sherman at wrote on 1/20/09 10:37 PM: Peter Wieck wrote: Wrong group.[...] butbutbut [1], everyone should want to know about the doings of The André Jute - after all, he is a polymath!!! [1] A gdanielsism. Be careful what you ask for. Andre has been known to broadcast his dinner menu and to boast about his culinary skills. As if . . . . What comes out at the end must smell like roses in the case of The André Jute. You can buy some of mine: http://www.milorganite.com/about/history.cfm.  -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. Patrick Turner. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) |
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Andre Jute wrote: On Jan 21, 8:57 am, Patrick Turner wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Can someone lay out the relationship between the current hub gearboxes and the historical Sturmey-Archer, please. Good question to those who turn a pedal a bit. But don't ask me. Its been about 45 years since I had a bike with a 3 speed Sturmey Archer gearbox. [snipped a lot of interesting stuff about Sydney before the Vietnam War, and why old guys wielding Reynolds 531 tubes make the best music] In what way? a bicycle tube digeridoo? Thing is, Patrick, 45 years ago there were the racers, the shoppers, the kids with their cruisers, and that was bicycling. The big deal then was straight handlebars. Yeah, some "straight" handle bars, but not many; they mainly had bends to allow the grips to turn back a bit and the centre to reach the short fork headstock. Most guys had race bars which have not changed much. Today cycling is so fragmented, they don't even speak the same language in the various wings of the halls of cycling. Every time I turn around, there's a new variety of offroading. Yeah, I see the downhill specialists being driven up Mt Stromlo by daddy or mummy so they can avoid the grind of actually riding up any hill. So a guy like John (or me a few years ago when I decided to take up bicycles seriously -- I'd already taken up cycling seriously a decade before) basically has to do a bit of homework to educate himself before he can even go into a shop. Not that he's likely to have any luck in a bike store chosen at random, either. They won't have what he wants and won't want to order it; they want to sell racers or common mountain bikes. He needs to go to a specialist store or to buy by mailorder. Hmm, quite a few bike shops here stock a wider variety than you mention; there are track bikes for the velodrome, downhilling bikes, general purpose mountain bikes, hybrid roadsters OK for dirt road touring, the two last with or without damped suspension and suspension switches, and then you have the road racers. In many shops there are fake motorcycles with loooong front forks, electric hybrids, and a variety of commuting bikes popular for women who really hate the prospect of a puncture so much that they are prepared to pedal an extra 6 Kg around forever even though they have abysmally low power to weight in their bodies. I've seen a girl who can go fast on a special with 26" wheels and slim road tyres, a sort of miniature roadie. The girl is about 5 foot only. Une petite bombshelle! To do that, he needs knowledge. For instance, the Sturmey- Archer of fond memory today would be a very dicey proposition when the reliability of hub gearboxes is commonly given in decades, and there are wonderful options like hub dynamos for the lights and roller brakes for almost service-free brakes. Andre Jute Polyglot. That doesn't mean I understand street corner dialect. Hmm, I'll have to talk to my guy in the shop about a hub geared hybrid for the dirt roads. I rode just over 10,000 km on sealed roads over these last 12 months and I have not yet worn out a cassette or chain. Sure the teeth are beginning to hook a bit but there's still more life left. Due to vast production runs of bike parts compared to 20 years ago, it appears that a new cassette and chain is to be had for less than usd $100. So say I get 18mths or 15,000km from $100 worth of gear. In 7 years, I'd have spent $1,000. But then there are the tyres and other parts I'd need to buy because as you know there are unexpected breakages and prangs and crashes. Its all still extremely cheap overall to run a bicycle, unless you have a huge prang and total yourself under a truck. I musta done 120,000 km over the 9 years i have cycled between 1982 and now. I'm still alive, and the actual cost of bicycles and parts has been very low per hour of cycling. If I averaged 20kph for all those kms, I have spent 6,000 hours cycling, and probably another 6,000 hours recovering from cycling. Had I spent 12,000 hours working instead of cycling, and earning $25 per hour on today's average wages, I would have been usd $300,000 better off. Its about enough to buy an average house here in Canberra. So instead of one house I already have I could have had two. I doubted I could have been happier. I have been a deliberate minimalist and frugalist for the last 25 years and I could not see any reason to garnish and encumber my life with the trappings of extra moderate wealth even though I knew I might get to **** much better looking shielas than I did. The troubles of having wealth is that the pretty shielas have a habit of ****ing up a man's life because of the nature of the romance bell curve which becomes a hell curve at some point, mainly because sheilas don't replace a romance bell curve with an industrial and productive bell curve, and don't remain loyal and faithful. The lawyers enforce it all. Basically, I spend time on two wheels because its freedom from the rat race of keeping up with the Jones and the maintenance of shambolic modern life. I don't give a rat's arse if its costing me $50 per hour to cycle. I could never see a really big reason to breed or marry, so I rode a bike instead. I seemed to have the time. I think I got better value than if I'd spent 12,000 hours in pubs and recovering from the effects. I would estimate that all the keen cyclists I know may have thought about WHY they cycle, and what leads them to it. Many things maybe. All private sportsmen and sportswomen **could** be spending time earning instead of cycling, surfing or swimming, and the cost **could** be considered, but the actual cost of bikes and parts is low compared to doing many other things. Quite a few men ride to get away from their wives on a Sunday while others ride with their women to stay married while some have found their missus on a bicycle during some event, and find the bicycle is the common thing between them. I see a couple who go out on a Sunday am on their tandem. They have been doing this for 30 years I think. Getting a bit grey and slow now, but they **do** it, and that's the point. Good wives welcome a man who cycles. He'll surely be better in bed than if he goes to the pub. And if he's cycling there's little reason to believe he'd be cavorting with some other shiela. If I ride out along Paddys River Road on a crisp autumn day with snow on the moumtains it is simply a good experience. 99.9% of other people disagree, which is also really good because then I have the road to myself. Riding bicycles takes time. The trouble with many people is that they are entirely ill at ease with time passing. Time passes me regularly, and when it goes past I wave it goodbye. I have no intention to ruin a good life by keeping up with time. Patrick Turner. |
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Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. Patrick Turner. |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, than cycle seriously? It's snowing hard outside, as I type. I have seen two bicycles pass my window in as many minutes. You cyclists are a tough act to follow:-))) Iain Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. Patrick Turner. |
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wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, than cycle seriously? It's snowing hard outside, as I type. I have seen two bicycles pass my window in as many minutes. You cyclists are a tough act to follow:-))) Iain Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. Patrick Turner. Dear Iain & Patrick, There are a billion or two serious cyclists: http://www.csa.com/discoveryguides/c...es/bicycle.jpg http://picasaweb.google.com/tigerdav...03429758555218 http://www.globalobjects.net/References.asp Somewhere in the skyscrapers of the New York city financial district, there may be people who discuss how hardly anyone they know drives a car to work and how wealthy the late Mr. Ferrari must be. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Jan 22, 5:11*am, Patrick Turner wrote:
Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. With a stupid attitude like that either you no longer work, or you miss out on a lot of riding. Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Patrick Turner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, than cycle seriously? In Europe, yes, but in countries where distance, hills and motorists are tyranical, and where bicycle friendly infrastructure and road design is only beginning to cater for cyclists I am not so sure about the numbers. Last year 1 million bicycles were sold in Oz where maybe only 10 million are able to ride, and maybe 1% ride to work. There's a lot of bicycles gathering dust I reckon. It's snowing hard outside, as I type. I have seen two bicycles pass my window in as many minutes. You cyclists are a tough act to follow:-))) At present while weather is warm there are maximum numbers of commuting cyclists here in Australia's most bike friendly city, Canberra. But on the busiest main road with cycle lanes at 8:30 am, you'll see 50 people drive past in cars and buses and trucks for every cyclist. Outside peak hours the numbers drop. And in winter numbers reduce maybe -70%. I can spend 1 hour riding right across the city on the designated bike paths off the main roads and only pass 20 cyclists in peak hour travelling the other way. Meanwhile over 50 turn up to ride with Pedal Power ACT on sunday am. Many more bunches are on the road. Patrick Turner. Iain Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. Patrick Turner. |
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" wrote: On Jan 22, 5:11 am, Patrick Turner wrote: Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. With a stupid attitude like that either you no longer work, or you miss out on a lot of riding. Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Spending time hitting a tiny defenseless ball around stretches of beautifully mown lawns spoils what might have been a nice walk. Golfers are difficult philosophers. Life is far too short to spend most of the time being serious. I hope you get my **stupid** drift. I work at home. I ride about 150km in at least two rides on weekdays to get away from maddening audiophiles wanting tube riddled creations that have to be made the hard old fashioned way in my workshop. Then I ride a good 100km each sunday with a jovial bunch with sense of humour to enjoy the wonderful countryside around Canberra. People who can only be serious should be avoided like the plague. Patrick Turner. Patrick Turner.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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wrote: On Jan 22, 5:11*am, Patrick Turner wrote: Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. With a stupid attitude like that either you no longer work, or you miss out on a lot of riding. *Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Yo, Russell, you misunderstood Patrick. He's a self-employed craftsman. When he wants to go cycling, he takes the day off to make a really good long ride, hence "Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride." Since Patrick isn't rich to start with, he probably gives up a vastly greater proportion of his income to ride than you would if you took a day's unpaid leave from your job to ride. That makes Patrick the more committed cyclist. Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Yes! Though Bandon is now pretty nearly a dormitory town for Cork, and the through-traffic to West Cork county has increased tremendously, less than twenty years ago it was a rural small town in a network of reasonably quiet roads. A hillwalking chum and I used to get fit for the mountains by cycling every evening after dinner, going on a round trip often of 15-25m, all of it on roads I no longer ride even in full daylight (too busy to be pleasant) and miss either for their long sweeping curves or if smaller their technical corners on steep downhills. I took all that for granted; you never know what you have until you no longer have it. Andre Jute The vanity of those who judge is well founded in hubris, of which no shortage has ever been reported -- Al Marcy |
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Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, *than cycle seriously? In Europe, yes, but in countries where distance, hills and motorists are tyranical, and where bicycle friendly infrastructure and road design is only beginning to cater for cyclists I am not so sure about the numbers. Last year 1 million bicycles were sold in Oz where maybe only 10 million are able to ride, and maybe 1% ride to work. There's a lot of bicycles gathering dust I reckon. It's snowing hard outside, as I type. *I have seen two bicycles pass my window in as many minutes. You cyclists are a tough act to follow:-))) At present while weather is warm there are maximum numbers of commuting cyclists here in Australia's most bike friendly city, Canberra. But on the busiest main road with cycle lanes at 8:30 am, you'll see 50 people drive past in cars and buses and trucks for every cyclist. Outside peak hours the numbers drop. And in winter numbers reduce maybe -70%. I can spend 1 hour riding right across the city on the designated bike paths off the main roads and only pass 20 cyclists in peak hour travelling the other way. Meanwhile over 50 turn up to ride with Pedal Power ACT on sunday am. Many more bunches are on the road. Patrick Turner. Sounds like a better cycling situation than in many other countries, certainly here in Ireland. -- Andre Jute |
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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, than cycle seriously?[...] NO NO NO! The cycling commuters and shoppers ARE the serious cyclists. The ones riding $5K bicycles in racing clothes are playing with toys. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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On Jan 24, 1:53*pm, Tom Sherman
NO NO NO! The cycling commuters and shoppers ARE the serious cyclists. The ones riding $5K bicycles in racing clothes are playing with toys. Exactly that. And as this is cross-posted, much as those who claim to work with stupidly expensive vacuum tubes and produce inept designs only for bragging rights are playing with toys and may hardly be considered serious about tubes. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Sturmey Archer, SRAM and Shimano IGH, was Come visit Andre'sUtopiaKranich
Andre Jute wrote: On Jan 22, 6:55 pm, " wrote: On Jan 22, 5:11 am, Patrick Turner wrote: Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride. With a stupid attitude like that either you no longer work, or you miss out on a lot of riding. Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Yo, Russell, you misunderstood Patrick. He's a self-employed craftsman. When he wants to go cycling, he takes the day off to make a really good long ride, hence "Working on a day you ride spoils a decent ride." Since Patrick isn't rich to start with, he probably gives up a vastly greater proportion of his income to ride than you would if you took a day's unpaid leave from your job to ride. That makes Patrick the more committed cyclist. While the condition of my knees permit such committed cycling, and while my natural"irish wonderment" factor for cycling remains intact, yes, I will ride a bike, and also while I do believe that wealth is not going to help me get Angelina Jollie exclusively interested in uplifting the fine art of giving me decent BJ. Sadly, I told a shiela about 3 years that a 4 hour ride on a bicycle was better than a 4 hour ride on her. "At least I know I'll get somewhere" I told her. A number of men of about my age booed and hissed at me for announcing this terrible admission during a series of cafe chess games I also choose to waste time with on Saturday evenings. "What a rotten cad you are!" they moaned, "How could you?". Well, very easily, and I went on to explain how much time, energy and restaurant bills I'd invested in trying to get a committed honest relationship off the ground which was propelled by vibrant intimacy and some measure of desire and a high level of communication. I'm sure you all know that the more you try to talk to a woman about just about anything, the more tangled up you'll get until finally, there's only one solution, just slip out the back jack, make a new plan stan, ie, just dump the whole ****ing business. Most blokes try not to say much, and just pay the bills and buy the flowers. Either the shiela ****s, or she don't. If she does, and doesn't need a total re-education about how to satisfy a man who wants to satisfy her, there's hope, but it doesn't always work out and the older shielas get the less likely you'll get ****ed properly. And there's an even smaller chance she'll ride a bike and try to keep up while you try to keep down to her speed. To be really committed to anything, you should never consider it a pathway to some other existance, and while you're on the bike, its all there is, so focus, so you don't get killed too early. Povety is a by-product of serious cycling in a society where everyone is expected to make 50 grand a year working 80 hours a week. Anything else is seen as being socially obnoxious and a dead failure. The idiotic values held by much of the nation's people around me are not something I can aever fully endorse; these values simply don't seem true, rather like the idea that digital + solid state gear is better than analog and vacuum tubes. Chinese advancement into the industrial revolution should have proceeded after their glory days of inventiveness by about the year 1,000ad. But they kinda kept old ways and didn't advance much until recently. Just imagine if they'd taken off in 1,000 like Europe did when Europe exploited so many Chinese inventions such as the copmpass and gun-powder. The result would have been a much more crowded world. I have always been aware that the wonders of progress proclaimed so loudly by so many is something of a myth. Some get lucky, some get happy, but that's all. But at least there are dentists and the occasional doctor worth their salt. I think of many povety stricken farmers and their families desperately trying to hang on in their distant out of town country farms and to me they are real heroes. They don't require the trappings of the materialistic society. They seem to thrive on hardship. I see the aboriginal artists with their mystical paintings. I don't understand them at all, and they've painted them way out in the bush somewhere sitting on the ground and sure they could have an alternate existance, but like me they don't quite know how to have it, and it doesn't seem to worry them. Their paintings end up in New York art galeries where unhappy dysfunctional arty-farties bid millions to possess these daubings painted by those happy with an ouback existance they would be very unhappy with. I did a nice 105km today. It was mercifully overcast and cool today when it should have been hot and sunny. I did the very hilly Paddy's River road in the hills behind Canberra, and visited the 'Moonrock Cafe' at Tidbinbilla Tracking station. http://www.cdscc.nasa.gov/Pages/pg04_visitorcentre.html They have a range of artifacts to do with moon missions on display plus rocks brought back from the moon. Mr Aldrin's heartrate while wandering around on the moon was about as stressed as mine is while riding along to where there was part of a paper roll showing the astronauts' heartrates during their time at the moon. While there were two signs saying the cafe was open, it was locked tight. Tables all set, fridges humming, no people. Remote cafes can be a bit unreliable about opening times if located near little visited tourist wonders. So I had to ride another 30km before I could get a coffee and pastry. One of the beauties of doing a nice long hard sunday ride alone is that one doesn't have to ride hard to keep up to the younger riders playing silly men's games of always trying to pamper their bloated egos by being first to the top of every hill. Some blokes are still trying to prove they have not lost it even when they definately have. Some do it more gracefully and acceptably than others. Lance Armstrong, (that better prominant man from Texas I know) does seem to know about grace. Weekday evening rides are some of the best rides. Yes! Though Bandon is now pretty nearly a dormitory town for Cork, and the through-traffic to West Cork county has increased tremendously, less than twenty years ago it was a rural small town in a network of reasonably quiet roads. A hillwalking chum and I used to get fit for the mountains by cycling every evening after dinner, going on a round trip often of 15-25m, all of it on roads I no longer ride even in full daylight (too busy to be pleasant) and miss either for their long sweeping curves or if smaller their technical corners on steep downhills. I took all that for granted; you never know what you have until you no longer have it. I only rode a bike during evenings in Canberra when I had a lady friend who lived 20km across town. It was very much worth my while to ride over in the dark and maybe cook dinner for us then give her a wonderful couple of prods over 3 hours as well. Then I'd ride home after midnight, even in winter, when it was maybe 2C. I'd see the stars up there, and know all was well in the universe, and that being 42 was less troubled than being 22. Now I am nearly 62, and am capable of exactly the same rendevous. But I seriously doubt 'she-who-was-so-pleasing' would enjoy such brilliant daliance. She married a lawyer. For many things in life there seems to be a bell curve. Slowly but surely the developers move in everywhere and game over for the countryside. I found the disease so bad in Sydney in 1973 that I began to see Sydney as a land of maddened aliens. I voted with my feet and came to what the aliens say is the most boring little hole on Earth, Canberra, and I have rested in peace here without their ****ing boring presence. My area has only become marginally more busy over the last 30+ years. Within 3 minutes of getting on the bike I am out in rolling hills with grazing sheep and cattle. http://www.virtualoceania.net/austra...ties/canberra/ http://www.australianexplorer.com/ph...ecommended.htm http://www.netspeed.com.au/cr/bicycle/cycling.htm Development has been slow, but the more suburbs there are, the more cycle paths are created, and so there's further to cycle on sealed paths away from traffic. Once away from the uban centre of my city, and once off paths and into the streets of outlying suburbs the traffic is extremely mild on weekdays because all these people who live in the new houses and mansions are hard at work in offices ( like being in jail for me) so they can scrape enough money for the mortgage to live as well as the Jones next door. Absurd, most of it. If ever the greenhouse was caused by anything, vanity is one big reason. I am certain of many observations I make and I know I must tax many minds when I say what they are. Some may want to shoot me. I know, like anyone else who closely observes, that I am very conflictatious in my reasonings while observing but it worries me not because sleep OK. I allow for the fact that human existance on Planet Earth is all a rather crazy experiment. Patrick Turner. Andre Jute The vanity of those who judge is well founded in hubris, of which no shortage has ever been reported -- Al Marcy |
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Tom Sherman wrote: Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Iain Churches wrote: "Patrick Turner" wrote in message ... Tom Sherman wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: [...] In the district of Gunning sheep farmers favour Merino sheep and get silly prices for their prize winning fine wool that finds its way into the very best Italian suits that hardly anyone could afford unless you are a prime minister, CEO of a mining company, or the president of the Shimano Corp. ( The boom in bike sales must be making Mr Shimano frightfully rich..)[...] Shozo Shimano died in 2002 at the age of 74. Maybe Mr Shimano jnr could be doing rather well. And doesn't need to go to work on a bicycle:-) Nor do many other folks who ride a bike. Hardly anyone I know rides to work. They don't need to spend 5 grand on a latest carbon fibre race bike, but many ppl do, and Mr S jnr gets stoinkingly rich.... Surely there are more people who use a bike simple as a conveniet means of transport to get to work or to the shops, than cycle seriously?[...] NO NO NO! The cycling commuters and shoppers ARE the serious cyclists. The ones riding $5K bicycles in racing clothes are playing with toys. But of those I do see cycling to work, most are men between 20 and 40 on many are on expensive road bikes which they could race round on. Some do and are members of the local race clubs and the ride to and from work is part of how they train for the racing. Many of them get the ****s when I pass them and they bung on big serious chase after me on their carbon toys. Some go past me in vengeance and I chuckle but others don't. Patrick Turner. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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Patrick Turner wrote: -snip- Sadly, I told a shiela about 3 years that a 4 hour ride on a bicycle was better than a 4 hour ride on her. "At least I know I'll get somewhere" I told her. A number of men of about my age booed and hissed at me for announcing this terrible admission during a series of cafe chess games I also choose to waste time with on Saturday evenings. "What a rotten cad you are!" they moaned, "How could you?". Well, very easily, and I went on to explain how much time, energy and restaurant bills I'd invested in trying to get a committed honest relationship off the ground which was propelled by vibrant intimacy and some measure of desire and a high level of communication. -snip-. Here is the sum of effective and acceptable conversation: Yes, dear You look fantastic! Yes, dear My that's interesting. Tell me more! Yes, dear I'm buying. Yes, dear Any variance from that script means trouble and is ineffective. Hope that helps. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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A Muzi wrote: -snip- Patrick Turner wrote: -snip- Sadly, I told a shiela about 3 years that a 4 hour ride on a bicycle was better than a 4 hour ride on her. "At least I know I'll get somewhere" I told her. A number of men of about my age booed and hissed at me for announcing this terrible admission during a series of cafe chess games I also choose to waste time with on Saturday evenings. "What a rotten cad you are!" they moaned, "How could you?". Well, very easily, and I went on to explain how much time, energy and restaurant bills I'd invested in trying to get a committed honest relationship off the ground which was propelled by vibrant intimacy and some measure of desire and a high level of communication. -snip-. Here is the sum of effective and acceptable conversation: Yes, dear You look fantastic! Yes, dear My that's interesting. Tell me more! Yes, dear I'm buying. Yes, dear Any variance from that script means trouble and is ineffective. Hope that helps. I don't think I suffer as much trouble as you do after cycling too far. I'm also wondering who is saying "yes dear" like a damned parrot. Is it the bloke, or the shiela? If the bloke was the one stuck on being able to only say "yes dear" wouldn't the shiela be saying, "I'm selling" instead of "I'm buying". The whole point of being female is to absorb the money, goods and services men provide. The least said sentence in any language world wide is... "Jus' lie down here luvvie, it won' costyer anyfink" The next *least said* sentence is "please stop sucking my cock" If you had a microphone fitted to all the bedrooms of the nation, you'd never hear these things. Meanwhile I have work to get on with. Patrick Turner. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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I'm also wondering who is saying "yes dear" like a damned parrot. Is it the bloke, or the shiela? If the bloke was the one stuck on being able to only say "yes dear" wouldn't the shiela be saying, "I'm selling" instead of "I'm buying". The whole point of being female is to absorb the money, goods and services men provide. The least said sentence in any language world wide is... "Jus' lie down here luvvie, it won' costyer anyfink" The next *least said* sentence is "please stop sucking my cock" If you had a microphone fitted to all the bedrooms of the nation, you'd never hear these things. Back when AMPS cellfones were still in use in the US I used to listen in on 800 MHz on Friday nights. People would be calling each other while ****ing. It was hilarious. |
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